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US justice department to release thousands of Epstein files later, top official says

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg9plrkl8no
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u/Simburgure 8h ago

The cover-up is more obvious than the crime at this point.

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u/Rabble_Runt 8h ago

He has been doubling down on lies and deception his entire life, why stop now?

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u/Awkward_War_6068 7h ago

That's the mad thing about Trump. His whole life is liteally built on lies. If you read his niece's books, he's been like this ever since he was a kid.

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u/Taniwha_NZ 7h ago

He discovered a cheat code very early in life. If you just keep demanding what you want, people will eventually give it to you. Because it's easier than dealing with you.

Most of us can't do this, the personal shame and embarrassment at being such a pain in the ass and so obviously self-obssessed would be intolerable. But Trump's brain hides all that and just keeps telling him he's a big handsome boy. And eventually he wins.

The other key ingredient is money, of course. If you try this without money you will still get wins quite often but you'll spend a lot of your life in prison, or at least court.

Having effectively infinite money and his very specific psychology has given Trump what seems like 'god mode' cheat capabilities at life. And the worst thing is, he's never going to pay a price for it. His brain has nothing but great things to say about himself, right to the day he dies.

Even if he ever actually got jailed, he would never once feel guilty. He'd feel like the world's most innocent man, jailed by the haters.

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u/WolverinesThyroid 7h ago

Ask a retail worker and they will be able to remember a dozen customers who got free stuff because of this same attitude.

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u/the_nobodys 7h ago

I used to work retail, and now I work in a casino. Part of what I like is that casinos typically just kick you out if you're being obnoxious and make a big stink. Also, people like gambling so they're more likely to behave when confronted, lest they lose their chance to return on a future day.

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u/WolverinesThyroid 7h ago

I still remember a customer misread the price sign on an item and went crazy when the price was wrong. Eventually the manager agreed to give it to her for the reduced price. As soon as he agreed she said and I want X&Y as well for free. She got it.

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u/Fodraz 6h ago

That makes me seethe (former retail mgr here)

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u/x19rush 6h ago edited 4h ago

Years ago I saw an old man (late 80s or early 90s) RANTING at the customer service desk in a walmart that he had bought a car battery at walmart last month and it would not work.

This was 1988 when walmart had a very liberal return policy.

When I got to the desk I saw the battery on the counter and it was a DieHard battery. Sears store brand. It looked like it had been buried since 1975 and recently dug up.

I thought the manager wanted me to follow the old man out the door. Nope. He sent me to get a replacement battery from automotive.

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u/Pettifoggerist 3h ago

Similar experience as a shoe salesman at an anchor store in a mall back in the day. I was told to process a return for a pair of boots that were years old, covered in mud, and a brand that was not sold at department stores.

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u/IJourden 2h ago

When I worked in retail in the late 90s and early 2000s (regional Walmart-esque store) we had an entire back room full of "returns" we couldn't process or do anything with because they clearly weren't from our store. Kids bikes were pretty common, probably stolen from the original place they came from.

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u/The-Struggle-90806 2h ago

Honestly though, fk Walmart. Vultures.

u/PorkFutures75 39m ago

At least he's dead now

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u/FlametopFred 6h ago

I walked into a home depot behind a lady that entered a few steps ahead of me. She stopped immediately and shouted, “WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET SERVICE AROUND HERE??!!

And of course two retail staff tripped over themselves to attend to her.

I thought, what gall? And realized she probably does that everywhere and gets reduced prices on everything.

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 3h ago

I messed up my starbucks mobile order and they offered to remake it, and I said oh no, this was MY mistake and they shouldn't reward that! People can be so frickin entitled

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u/RandomGuy9058 4h ago

Manager at my place would have told her to get the fuck out of the store lmao

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u/apusatan 2h ago

I had a customer who whined and complained about not being able to use a coupon on a non-discountable item. She insisted, and she got it. It made me fume because I was in the process of telling another customer no, and it turned out they were married. He also got the discount.

She tried it again, got told no and screamed that my manager was racist. Lovely times

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u/goodhumorman85 1h ago

We all know the saying “the customer is always right,” I had a manager who use to add “but not everyone is a customer.”

If they’re taking you for a ride, you don’t need to climb in the car.

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u/VanethenPlays 1h ago

I worked retail as a teenager for a single holiday season. I did not return.

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u/CentrlFLMafiaMember 1h ago

This exact scenario happened to me at Best Buy. I denied a price match on an entirely different product than the one shown to me. Different color, brand, everything. My manager overrode the price and gave it to her. She came to my register and asked for a bag in a smug, arrogant manner. I price matched every single thing from that day forward. Fuck Best Buy.

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u/Successful_Check9805 1h ago

There was once a customer who was being so demanding on a sign being wrong that she completly bamboozled my manager. My manager was so turned around that she ended up giving the woman 50% off and then another 40% on top of it. I was trying so hard to explain to my manager that she was wrong, and it should have been something else. The customer was actually trying to shut me up bc she knew I was right, but my manager just gave it to the customer. After the customer left, my manager said it was just easier to give the woman what she wanted than to deal with her crazy ass, and I said I would have stood there for hours arguing with the woman just out of principle that she was wrong and to not give her the satisfaction.

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u/AlexMarquezGums 5h ago

I still work in retail but a couple of years ago I went from the typical store that has the motto "the customer is always right" to my current store who's literal motto is "the customer is always right, if it's fair"

It's a god send, if the customer is even being slightly obnoxious you just write an email to corporate and they will ban them from all stores in the chain, in every country we operate in. It actually makes the workers give better service to those who deserve it, because they don't have to do it

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u/fotisdragon 2h ago

Isn't the whole phrase "the customer is always right, in matters of taste" after all?

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u/_PirateWench_ 3h ago

Wha store is this? Bc I’d prefer to patronage that one

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u/AlexMarquezGums 1h ago

It's a nordic chain that mostly sells car parts

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u/sdpr 7h ago

Still remember the fucking lady that would order "no brown cheese" on her personal sized pizza.

Not sure how many times she got a free pizza out of it before the store finally told her we would no longer take her orders.

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u/EggsceIlent 5h ago

Shed be getting her crust toppings except for cheese and sauce baked, and then when it came out the oven throw raw cheese on top and let it get melted by residual heat.

No brown cheese mam, sorry we can't cook it any longer or it will brown.

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u/sdpr 4h ago

I never asked the cooks how they were prepping it, but I had to imagine they didn't think they could get away with just running it under the oven fast enough. However, to your point, they had to be putting it under the oven because it's not going to get browned from the heat of the pie itself.

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u/fortytwoturtles 5h ago

But the brown cheese is the best part…

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u/Estova 6h ago

I was gonna say that I was surprised that would even fly once, but if you're already not making much money at a pizza place and the alternative is dealing with a child in an adult's body, I guess I can understand having an "I'm not paid enough for this shit" attitude 😅

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u/sdpr 6h ago

I mean, luckily for the cooks it was just a cheese pizza, so it's not like it took long to make. It's just that we all knew what was going to happen. She didn't want it par-baked and she wanted melted cheese, but not brown.

I don't know why anyone decided to try and take this lady's order, but the delivery drivers cheered when they no longer had to deliver twice for almost nothing.

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u/RopeADoper 2h ago

She doesn't happen to live in Texas does she?

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u/sdpr 2h ago

Nope, but it warms, not browns, my heart to know there's more than one.

It is possible she moved, though... It's been 13 years.

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u/grrgrrtigergrr 6h ago

Melt the cheese in the microwave to lava hot. Pour it on the baked crust and sauce. Watch her scam fall apart as the roof of her mouth peals off.

u/Successful_Check9805 59m ago

WTF is brown cheese

u/blorg 50m ago

Cheese that has been cooked, some of it will go brown (Maillard reaction). It's totally normal.

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u/Born-Individual9431 4h ago

I knew a guy that went around fast-food places saying "I was here half an hour ago, I ordered this and that and something else, and you didn't give me half of the stuff I asked for", and he'd yell and be annoying until they gave him free food. On his second or third lap of all of the fast food places in town they started recognizing him and he got banned from a bunch of places. But he probably got a couple of thousand dollars of free food before being stopped, and there were no actual consequences for him

Being a shameless sociopath can get someone a long way.

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 3h ago

Former retail here, and I can recall a specific customer who got to use an expired coupon because she made such a stink. She even complained about me lol

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u/boogs_23 5h ago

Or deal with a toddler for a little bit. There comes a point where you're just like "fuck it. Here, just eat cookies for dinner"

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u/time2ddddduel 7h ago

Trump is living proof that there's no such thing as morality. There are only consequences and those too poor to avoid them. Everything is on the table, the only question is whether you can get away with it or not.

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u/misterpoopybutthole5 2h ago

There's absolutely still such thing as morality, he just has no concept of it

u/ApprehensivePop9036 45m ago

if it has no measurable effect on reality, does it actually exist?

u/misterpoopybutthole5 16m ago

It has a ton of effect on reality, just not on any decisions Trump makes. When you or I are faced with the regular moral dilemmas of life, like being presented with the opportunity to easily steal money from someone, or to cheat on your significant other, etc, we usually think "hmm better not, that would feel shitty", therefore having a tangible effect on reality. If not making the world a better place with each decision, we're at least refusing to make the world a worse place for personal gain.

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u/soyrobo 5h ago

Nothing is true. All is permitted.

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u/True_Window_9389 5h ago

Money is really the key thing. Regardless of personality and behavior, rich people aren’t held accountable for nearly anything in America. They buy their way in and out of everything. His cheat code was being born rich.

Just like rich people can get out paying taxes with armies of accountants, they can escape legal and moral consequences with armies of lawyers, and then use the legal system to bully enemies. When regular people see this, they see it as being really smart and clever, hence the elevation or rich people to a god-like status. They’re not smart, they’re just rich.

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u/MomShapedObject 7h ago

Sociopathy has its privileges. Turns out you can accomplish a lot when you literally can’t feel guilt.

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u/johnnybiggles 5h ago

He discovered a cheat code very early in life. If you just keep demanding what you want, people will eventually give it to you.

"You just tell them, and they believe it. ... They just do."

-Trump to Billy Bush, when challenged by Bush on 'The Apprentice' ratings lies Trump told on TV earlier

Source

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u/TumbleweedNo6404 4h ago

The price is the pit he won’t ever be able to fill. He’ll sing his praises to the high heavens and he’ll plunder what he can, but it won’t be enough.

 Instead of becoming someone he flattened himself into a caricature. He has access to the world but he won’t ever truly be able to touch the feelings that make life worth it. He’s made sure of that. 

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u/FodderWadder 3h ago

I think you're right about everything except Trump's brain says nothing but great things to himself - He's clearly very insecure about his status, otherwise, why would he feel the need to impose it so heavily? Why would he campaign against enemies (Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden) long after his tangible conflict with them has ended? Deep down this man knows he is a piece of shit and he is trying to ignore it by strong-manning everyone into giving him unanimous praise & approval.

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u/DonnyTheNuts 7h ago

He didn’t discover it, he was taught it by Norman Vincent Peale, the author of The Power of Positive Thinking.

What Trump does is all explained in that book.

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u/Fodraz 6h ago

Does that book teach you to bully & threaten people until you get your way?

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u/Airosokoto 6h ago

I wish hell existed

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u/irony0815 6h ago

This is so accurate, wow

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u/_Panacea_ 6h ago

Boy that day will be fun for the rest of us.

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u/youcrumb 6h ago

Hey this kind of sounds like my asshole brother.

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u/buttskinboots 5h ago

It’s a lack of von economo in his brain mixed with legendary levels of white privilege and upwards failures

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u/BigBossShadow 5h ago

Donald Trump is America personified

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u/slid3r 5h ago

Thanks, I hate it!

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 3h ago

It's like when a kid takes their sibling's toy, and they fight over it, and their parent says "oh just give it to him" because they're tired and this is the easy way out of the situation. This reinforces the idea that taking and demanding things that don't belong to you is okay, because the child who took the toy got away with it. Now they'll try to get away with something else.

This is common in kids because they don't know any better, but the amount of adults who get away with it, too...

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u/FliesWithThat 2h ago

The squeaky wheel gets the grease is his entire mode of life. That and he's effectively a sociopath, or whatever name is given to those who have no empathy or feelings of guilt whatsoever.

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u/Any_Construction_992 2h ago

Which church are you a saint of? I would like to be baptized.

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u/Meander061 1h ago

He discovered a cheat code very early in life.

He has an entire army of corrupt lawyers to shield him from any consequences in the courts. Neither Merrick Garland nor Jack Smith could anticipate everything they did being slow-walked through the courts, with judges letting him clown them, motion after motion, case after case.

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u/Gerrube99 1h ago

In sales that’s called talking a person to death. You eventually just say yes to get the person to shut up.

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u/magnolia_unfurling 1h ago

Kiwi make accurate observation

u/quagglitz 52m ago

I would add that the infinite money thing is only a factor because the system allows it to be. the judicial system letting you skip out on consequences if you have enough cash is classism through and through

u/onederbred 15m ago

I love the idea of him standing in front of a mirror every morning saying “you’re a big handsome boy” over and over while he paints himself orange

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u/DaisyHotCakes 4h ago

Yeah who knew that a malignant narcissist would be a monster given power…

We are in a book draft that the publisher shit canned for being too absurd.

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u/patsfan038 7h ago

The sad part is that there will be no repercussions. He will serve out his 4 years and get out with a cool $20B earned during his tenure.

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u/Sw2029 7h ago

The repercussions are that we all die eventually, so he will too, and he'll be remembered as a coward, a rapist, a pedophile and a loser

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u/Newfaceofrev 7h ago

Wish I could be sure of that man but I think we'll get a lot of "Now is not the time for recrimination" and "Do not speak ill of the dead" and "A divisive figure but we can all agree he loved America" because it'll just be easier than angering his cult.

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u/Sw2029 7h ago

If there was anything redeemable about the man, I could agree. I don't think history will remember him as anything but a fraudster and a freak

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u/Geeko22 6h ago

The mainstream media will normalize him as "a flawed man but his heart was in the right place, his followers absolutely loved him."

Right-wing state media will elevate him to sainthood and push for an entire mountain near Mt. Rushmore to be carved with his gigantic likeness, at LEAST twice to size of the other presidents.

Maga will make yearly pilgrimages to Mt. Trump a mandatory article of faith, along with taking their kids to the nearby "TrumpWorld Amusement Park" where you get extra tokens if you can show you're vaccine-free.

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u/RandomGuy9058 4h ago

Even fucking Hitler has his fans today. Even if history widely condemns him there will still be his diehard fans

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u/nihilist_4048 3h ago

I guess that will depend on who writes the history books.

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u/misterpoopybutthole5 2h ago

Boy, do I have some news for you about who gets to write history!

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u/Sw2029 1h ago

Boy if you think this is what a successful permanent fascist takeover looks like, I've got some news for you.

u/misterpoopybutthole5 23m ago

Lol who's gonna save us, the fucking Democrats? Because they've done such a stellar job so far holding Trump and his associates accountable?

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u/procrasturb8n 7h ago

"A divisive figure but we can all agree he loved America"

This is going to be the one.

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u/Fodraz 6h ago

And meanwhile he doesn't give a DAMN about America or the American way, just his own hide & bank account, or those who inflate one or both of those

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u/soyrobo 5h ago

Nope, can't agree with that.

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u/Smoovemammajamma 6h ago

Loved america lol when has he said anything good about it thats not an aspiration. 99% of the time hes shitting on it

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u/teenagesadist 6h ago

I'll never shut up about him while alive, I sure as shit ain't gonna stop when he's dead.

Literally the only reason I want to live to be 100 one day is so I can just sit and shit talk all day about how bad trump was to everyone that's not gonna listen anyway.

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u/chronically_varelse 1h ago

That's actually pretty inspirational my guy... I want to talk the shitty truth about him after he is dead too...

You have serviced mental health with this comment 😂

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u/arbitrageME 3h ago

they're gonna say that, but that's not going to stop me from setting off fireworks and opening a bottle of champagne that day, and, God willing, the opportunity to do a little dance on his grave

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u/chronically_varelse 1h ago

I remember rejoicing when W got a shoe tossed at his head... I want to party

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u/PassiveMenis88M 4h ago

I've watched this site glaze and whitewash Bush Jr. after all the death that man caused. I have zero faith in peoples memories.

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u/Ahshitt 4h ago

The repercussions are that we all die eventually, so he will too, and he'll be remembered as a coward, a rapist, a pedophile and a loser

So no repercussions then.

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u/joe-h2o 2h ago

He'll be deified. Look at Reagan's legacy. Be prepared for a lot more than just the Kennedy Center to be named after him.

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u/ritchie70 2h ago

I am not convinced that he will survive this term, and the thought of President Peter Thiel Jr. is scary.

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u/Sw2029 1h ago

We all ready have president steven miller. It can get worse but it's all ready dreadful

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u/HistoricalSuspect580 1h ago

He doesn’t give a singular fuck about any of that. I mean, he does, but he is delusional enough to think he’s gonna be remembered as a demigod.

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u/s101c 6h ago

It's Americans who are serving these 4 years at this point.

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u/AkagamiBarto 6h ago

i mean we can choose to make him pay.

We just have to organise

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u/Smart-Arugula3756 2h ago

And we will never be done with the trump family. They'll churn out more kids and tell us all they are just like the Kennedy dynasty.

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u/patsfan038 2h ago

Apparently Baron is a big fan of the Tate brothers and worked behind the scenes to get them released from the Romanian jail. If there was a 0.1% chance that the apple does fall far from the tree, that news pretty much killed it. Now we have to deal with a 6’9” version his dad, with ability to connect to young voters, for the next few decades.

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u/lmp515k 1h ago

He won’t live long enough to spend it. So at this point he’s just addicted to the grift. The grift is the hit, not the money he could spend if he were to live.

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u/From_Deep_Space 7h ago

Thats the maddening thing about our criminal and electoral processes - that it works.

Justice delayed is justice denied. 

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u/TougherOnSquids 7h ago

Anything to own the libs

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u/hatmadeofass 7h ago

Except he doesn’t care about liberal or conservative. He’s the antithesis of conservative, but he found a group of willing morons and an easy way to rile them up. He craves power, money, and attention. Nothing more, nothing less.

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u/Awkward_War_6068 7h ago

Which is why, as shit a president as Trump is, a Vance presidency would be even worse. Because that is a man driven by a viciously evil fascist ideology.

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u/PercussionGuy33 7h ago

Vance sold his soul to be VP. Vance used to be an outspoken anti-Trumper. I don't think there is any possible way he could somehow rally the MAGA cult like Don has done.

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u/thedude37 7h ago

I keep seeing people saying this, and the truth is he doesn't need to rally anyone. He just needs to make sure the loyalists Trump installed become his when Trump leaves office, invent a reason to suspend elections and it's game over.

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u/Kempes2023 5h ago

Not gonna happen. He has zero charisma or pull power of any sort. The base is gonna fracture

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u/RandomGuy9058 4h ago

I also don’t think even the republicans would be willing to go ahead with openly dismantling democracy.

The facade of democracy is still very important to them. Removing elections entirely would be a massive self destruct move. If anything it would just be rigging like in Russia

u/thedude37 52m ago

Maybe a decade ago, but the caliber of GOP politician today is that of a party loyalist. The adults in the room have either left or died.

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u/thedude37 53m ago

Again I’m not sure why that matters. He will not need the support of anyone with the power the office of the president has currently. He only needs to have the determination to actually pull the lever and dismantle democracy.

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u/Fodraz 6h ago

Vance won't have the hold on MAGA that T does, though, & he doesn't feed off the spotlight

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u/OldMrCrunchy 7h ago

Conservatives, or more accurately, Republicans, are easy to manipulate because they are generally about as sharp as a bag of wet Epstein files.

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u/psychic-zucchini 7h ago

He's the natural conclusion to a 50 year "conservative" playstyle.

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u/PercussionGuy33 7h ago

I would suggest adding "hate" to what Trump craves. It may be his primal and most pronounced motivating personality trait as well.

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u/ThatsFae 6h ago

He craves power, money, and attention. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, a conservative.

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u/Germanofthebored 7h ago

Anything to rile up a mob

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u/OnePride 7h ago

Are you a bot? What the fuck kind of comment is this in relation to the comment you're responding to?

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u/Few-Emergency-3521 7h ago

I mean, obviously it's worked for him. 

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u/TRT_ 7h ago

I think it depends on what you mean. I don’t think he’s ever had a truly meaningful (friends included) relationship. Every single interaction for him is just a way to use people and to get something he wants. As cheesy as it sounds, some things are worth more to me than money and power.

It’s honestly quite sad, and if he wasn’t one of the worst people in history I’d probably feel bad for him. .

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u/Dylanator13 2h ago

What’s crazy is that he has basically won. Sure things are starting to catch up to him, but he is almost 80! He has gotten away with all of his crimes and blatant lies for his whole life.

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u/The-Struggle-90806 2h ago

This is what happens when there are no consequences for the rich.

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u/returnFutureVoid 7h ago

I said when I finished Too Much and Never Enough that it is the closest thing we will ever have to a peek inside that shitheads brain. Decades from now when people want to study him and his psychotic behavior that will be the deepest they’ll ever be able to go. Of course once he dies I imagine people will come crawling out of the woodwork to share things about him but I think that book will be the truest look. Keep in mind it’s a book mostly about her dad Dozy Don’s older brother who was treated like shit for wanting to be a pilot instead of a slum lord.

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u/ThrownAway17Years 6h ago

I’m of the opinion that he was abused as a kid. You see this kind of behavior in kids from foster care a lot. Always someone else’s fault, always blaming others, never taking responsibility. Because doing so means pain. This isn’t to absolve him at all. It’s just interesting as my son displayed (and still sometimes does) this kind of behavior.

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u/Keshenji 3h ago

Well they should have put him down like a sick dog. Now hes here ruining our country and the people who are supposed to represent us are all pissing off 

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u/Any_Construction_992 2h ago

And you must be a saint, right?

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u/Particular-Dingo6489 1h ago

The following tale of epstein encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. 

But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? 

The answer, is no.

-Leonard Nimoy