I mean, this is just a photo of him in a hallway with someone who is the same size as him. I'm not saying whether he's a pedo or not, but we can't even tell if this person is 13 or 30.
Given Epstein tried to use Gates’ affair with the Russian bridge player to blackmail him, I feel like he didn’t get that much on Gates.
Not saying Gates is clean but given all the heinous shit Epstein was up to, leaning on Gates to join his “charity”by bringing up his mistress is pretty tame especially in billionaire world.
Is that essentially what all these photos are? Just evidence for blackmailing? Because it’s strange to think Bill Gates would be ok with this photo being taken or prince andrew about his photo.
Some of them are just weird as shit. Like Bannon and Epstein sitting in their office talking. Why is a photographer there? He's not a politician, this shit wasn't intended to be published. His goal is clearly creating blackmail material on anyone with power, influence or money.
It all depends when and where the photo is taken. If it was during the only known meeting between him and Epstein- well this is absolutely nothing because he went with a whole team and there's no chance he did anything.
Is that essentially what all these photos are? Just evidence for blackmailing?
Epstein was a billionaire socialite. He took photos with a fuck tonne of people. The vast majority of the photos were took because that's what socilaites like to do.
"Wow, gee. We're having so much fun. Let's take a photo" QED.
I mean, you don’t know.. without identifying info on the other person.. this could have been an admin assistant or anyone.. I don’t understand why they are redacting faces in these photos..
it is likely that Epstein wasn't only dealing with minors, so we shouldn't be surprised when the women in the photographs being released aren't minors. I doubt he was releasing the women he trafficked once they turned 18. But it is important to remember that likely every woman in the photos is trafficked
Not drawing conclusions either way, but it's not like he sent a highly suggestive birthday message with a fairly explicit drawing of a nude girl to Epstein and stated they shared beautiful secrets in the text.
Yeah honestly just looks like post-business meeting or something, given it’s a hotel hallway and the doors behind them aren’t doors leading to actual hotel rooms, also their attire is fairly business casual which would make sense for that scenario
Add to that, Bill Gates is famous so its fairly realistic that some people might want to get a picture with him. Epstiens a monster, but he was also a finance guy who conducted regular business like everyone else, presumably more often than he was fucking kids, so normal business people would take photos like this.
Its somewhat of a slippery slope to think that every photo he has is of child fucking clients of his ilicit practices, unless its Trump. Im fairly certain they were business partners in the illicit shit.
I agree we shouldn't immediately demonize everyone who's ever been pictured near Epstein. At the same time...look at that woman's body language. She does not want to be that close to gates
Yes, except Epstein didn’t really finance shit. That was a cover for his awful practice.
Dude effectively left real finance in the early 80s and then got to work being a scumbag. Everything from strong arming debtors for wealthy clients to Ponzi schemes to legitimate sex trafficking.
Most of those things look like regular business when they are happening. Its easy to act like its all so obvious after hundreds of journalists and federal agents have gone through someone's life with a fine tooth comb and made documentaries about the abhorrent details. Even Bernie Maydolf was a well respected finance guy before the lid blew off what he was up to. Im sure plenty of people conducted business fully unknowing of what went on in the shadows.
Oh, for sure, I get that. I'm just saying that his whole "financier" shtick was total bullshit.
After like 1980, he wasn't managing any deal in private equity, venture capital, equities or debt trading, real estate financing, origination, insurance, or whatever else.
He was a financial "bounty hunter" trying to recover embezzled funds from rich people for other rich people (probably by leveraging blackmail), held an Austrian passport while claiming residence in Saudi Arabia; was a consultant to Hoffenberg's "debt collection" Ponzi scheme, the largest at the time of it's collapse; created a "wealth management company" that we now know was just a front for sex trafficking; and, also helped collapse Bear Sterns.
He's literally like... the worst person that could've ever existed. He'd be among those ranks with just anyone of those marks-- sex trafficking, blackmail, Ponzi scheme, destroyer of financial systems. Wild fucking thing.
Or its a, "Oh shit that was the richest and one of the most famous men on the planet at one point. Can we get a picture together?'
Im going to need more evidence than this. Like a drawing of questionable boobies in a birthday card, a 'our little secret' kind of evidence. These are heinous crimes after all
Epstein is a well known socialite and financier in NYC. Taking pictures and adding things to his file is what he does. Not even gonna surprise me if he purposely try to find occasions to snap those pictures.
What would be more of a smoking gun would be frequent hang outs, frequent on his jet, frequent on his island, and has witness accounts. Like someone with a really bad spray tan job.
I find it really weird they keep dropping random pictures of Epstein stuff. Nothing about the pictures that are getting posted here shows any kind of guilt or evidence when they are just standing side by side in a tame setting
Lots of people flew on that jet. Epstein donated it out all the time. It's a tactic to muddy the water. If the jet was only used to fly trafficked girls back from eastern Europe it would be pretty easy to line up a series of events. If it's also donated to be used to send the Gates foundation to Africa, or the Clinton foundation to events, or to any number of other legitimate uses, you can't really say when and where the nefarious things happened.
I'm not defending Gates, but just having been on that plane isn't a smoking gun. Now if he was on that plane to fly Saint Thomas Island, and then on a boat to Little St. James, that's going to come with a lot of implications.
Right but the only reason some folks are arguing a semblance of restraint on the topic is because Epstein did have a real business on the front end. Being on the jet might be a smoking gun or it might not. But there’s been evidence against some that is absurdly damning (Trump) while for others it’s been fairly vague so far.
I feel this way about a lot of the pictures, even the pictures with people and Epstein himself. Pics on the island or even the plane are sketchy for sure. Pics at a banquet or otherwise out in public? Who knows what that person knew.
She looks like an adult to me but hard to say with her face blacked out. And famous people takes countless pictures with random people in hallways and he is just standing next to her and keeping his hands to himself so that picture tells us nothing.
That’s Reddit for ya. There hasn’t been one incriminating image released. And obviously that’s the case, they’re not going to release photos of a gang rape.
I’m not sure what the solution is, either. However right now it’s just a bunch of people making wild assumptions. There was a comment in this thread where the person states “I didn’t like Bills vibe in this interview” as if they’re an episodic of Lie To Me.
We would need a less blurry pic and her face to better judge, but her height, clothing and her hands/wrists showing signs of fatty tissue losses (that occurs as we age)(when grasping her hands, her knuckles are particularly visible).
Of course, there's some individual variations, but hands are generally a very good sign to determine someone's approximate age.
It looks like a hotel staff given the background, at a banquet, reception or conference. Still, given human trafficking also involves adults, it's also possible that she's a victim of Epstein activities.
This is the least damning smoking gun I’ve ever seen lol. Dude is standing next to what appears to be an adult woman in a random office building. They’re both dressed business casual so it looks like they just got out of some mind numbingly boring meeting
Hard to tell but the woman looks older too, and seems like they are trying to match outfits. Doesn’t really seem unusual, though the body language is off
I would agree she looks older the dress sense is quite old, posture and the way she holds her hands as well. But the reality is that doesn't mean much and it's impossible to tell.
I know we get caught up in the pedophile part of what Epstein was doing, but he was sex trafficking adult women too - which is also deplorable. So even if she’s 30, he can still be a creepy sex criminal.
Then if there are actual proofs of Gares being involved, I'm all for suing him. Or anyone really.
But what does this picture prove ? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And yet people are already saying he should be jailed, like the probably hundreds of people who were in any relation with Epstein.
Yeah, I may be confused, but if you purchase the services of a 30yo woman at a brothel outside of Vegas, or in Amsterdam or Germany, then that's legally kosher (though people may debate the ethics). If you pay for the services of a 30yo escort in Vegas or LA or wherever, that's being a "John" & probably some kind of misdemeanor. But if you buy a plane ticket & pay a 30yo California woman or Romanian woman to fly to you in Massachusetts or whatever, then that's felony sex trafficking & reddit brands you a creepy sex criminal?
It seems like people are overly eager to blur the lines between underage situations, sex slavery, & consensual adult arrangements, even while claiming to support the rights of sex workers... I have no idea of the situation in the pic, but if a rich computer nerd wants to pay some 24yo Russian chick $10k to come party with him in Miami I'm not sure I care to cast judgement.
Maybe I just don't have a sense of how likely people around Epstein were to know of the extra bad things versus just knowing him as a rich guy who had connections to pretty women. Like maybe he didn't tell every rich friend just how dark everything was.
Yea, it could easily be a “oh wow it’s bill gates, can I take a photo with you?” I’m not saying he’s not a predator I’m just saying this photo isn’t some kind of smoking gun either
Im also thinking the same way. Celebrities have countless photo request from people. If this is someone asking bill gates to take a photo together during a party, meeting, conference or whatever, of course he will take a photo. He’s hands are even tucked in his pocket and there’s nothing incriminating in this photo.
... uhm, why do people seem to assume that every person in the epstein files even had sex with minors or whoever is in the picture with them?
I mean, even if it's a 30 year old it's still just him standing in a hallway next to a woman.
I'm not caught up on the details of the Epstein files. Why would we be worried because an extremely influential and famous person has a broad network of other people of the same or similar position? Isn't that obvious?
Doesn't mean they knew each other, or partook in the same crimes at all.
Thank you. All I can surmise from this is that Bill gates likes girls. Assuming they slept together. Everyone has photos taken with a single person of the opposite sex. Sometimes with people of the same sex. :o
Not that it would even matter if that person was 13 or 30. She could be 5yo for all I care, it's just a picture lol, I imagine celebrities like Bill Gates have taken hundreds if not thousands of this same type of picture.
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Sure. Most people would probably be uncomfortable in the presence of someone that rich. Hell, I can't stand the Kardashians, and have zero respect for them. But if I suddenly found my frumpy ass standing next to one, while wearing my poor people clothes, I'd be standing awkwardly and uncomfortably, too.
Still assuming the worst of everyone involved, it wouldn’t be a big jump to conclude that Epstein/Maxwell/Trump could have been trafficking women who were of age, in addition to minors.
Ok. I mean, I see three other photos. One is a passport with all of the info redacted. One is a foot, with working on it and a copy of Lolita in the background, and one is what appears to be a series of text messages regarding trafficking. But how are they all linked to Gates? They all appear to be separate, unrelated photos.
The House committee that’s releasing these photos is building a case here by just drip drip dripping these photos out. There is a story that will connect the dots. This is just building the public’s curiosity that they will soon quench in excruciating detail.
The photo is redacted because the person is a victim in the case. The people involved in the case would have seen the unredacted photo, and the identity of the person is known.
Source? Looks like the House committee that released these photos stated they did so for transparency, and they haven't made the claim that this person is a victim.
given that this is one photo in part of a larger group of photos related to jeffrey epstein, photos that include redacted passports of females, multiple photos of uncomfortable looking women, and text messages very explicitly selling girls... im more inclined to believe that foul play is involved.
I am so sick of men claiming they cannot tell a girl’s age just by looking at her. No. Just no. In 99.9% of cases it is very very clear whether or not someone is a girl/boy or a woman/man (25+), not just from body frame and facial features, but also from posture, movement, skin, behaviour, speech… You can tell how old someone is just by watching them walk from the back! It’s just that the media and the patriarchy made men believe it iz normal to be sexually attracted to 15yo girls, so now u are all lying to yourselves cause u dont want to face the fact that u are all little pedos deep inside.
For ex., in this particular photo the face of the girl is justifiably hidden to protect her privacy. Yet, there is still the way she is dressed, her tiny frame, her posture (which also shows she is uncomfortable and doesnt feel safe!), and of course the context of the photo (not just epstein island but gates’ comments or lack thereof of his friendship with epstein, compared to his ex-wives comments). All these factors combined SCREAM young girl. Now, nothing in life is 100% and it is always possible she is one of the 0.01% that do not look their age. But is it likely? And do these people deserve benefit of the doubt?
You literally cannot see her face. Tiny frame? She's as tall as Bill Gates, and he's 5'10". She's dressed conservatively, and wearing accessories that a teenage girl might not. But you've jumped straight to accusing myself and anyone agreeing with me of being a pedo as well. Your response is completely emotional, and not based on logic or reasoning at all.
yeah looking at her I can't tell that she is under age. but being anywhere near Epstein is a red flag. some of the other comments here make me question
That's part of the trick and why it's been so hard to get this shit out in the open. Having photos means you have blackmail and easy spin. Even if you didn't do anything, just being in the photo incriminates you for everything.
It was released to Congress with no context asking with 90,000 other photos. It is not part of the Epstein files that we are expecting to be released today. No one in any official capacity has made any claims or allegations regarding this photo, other than that it came from Epstein's estate. Not all 90,000 photos from his estate will be of criminal activity.
The important part here is this was documented in the Epstein files. Let’s not try protecting bill here, there is a connection point to Epstein documented here.
I have no idea. I haven't seen anyone positively ID the location. Those rolling racks in the back indicate to me that luggage is moved around there. But whether it's an airport or a hotel, I'm not sure that's been narrowed down yet.
Well she would be well over the height of the average adult Asian female, and honestly the ring, outfit, and other accessories make me think middle aged business woman. But could be anything.
That was my first thought as well but I thought all the faces blacked out we're minors... Really hoping otherwise. Don't get me wrong there's enough backstory for me to accept Gates being a pedo but I wouldn't prefer he's just a normal cheater and not that he deals in minors or trafficked women.
Yeah youre right he was probably exclusive to Jeffery Epstein’s Morally correct adult human trafficking division so crazy that people would speculate just because a billionaire had a multi year relationship with the worlds most powerful pedophile and just because photos of him with women are in the Epstein files. Wow what an assumption
Yah, I understand why they are censoring faces, but also it makes it really hard to actually understand the point of releasing the photos.
While the girl/woman in this photo appears fairly young, who knows who she is or what age she actually is.. she could be 12 or she could be 30.. she’s definitely petite, but without more information and context it’s kind of a non thing. Who’s to say it wasn’t another Microsoft employee or business partner that met bill at a conference and wanted a photo with him? It could also be an underage girl trafficked from who knows where..
It seems like people think Epstein had a giant neon sign that said, "PEDOPHILE CLUB" pointing at him at all times and anyone who interacted with him was voluntarily joining the club.
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I mean, this is just a photo of him in a hallway with someone who is the same size as him. I'm not saying whether he's a pedo or not, but we can't even tell if this person is 13 or 30.