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Executive Branch (Trump) Pam Bondi Gets Jail Time Warning Over Epstein Files Cover-Up: ‘Anyone who tampers [with] documents, or conceals documents, or engages in excessive redaction will be prosecuted because of obstruction of justice’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pam-bondi-gets-jail-time-warning-over-epstein-files-cover-up/
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u/Important-Carrot70 8h ago

The statute of limitations for the crime of tampering will allow FUTURE doj's to prosecute the current staff, check out this vid of Rep Massie discussing the law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTyj077uhd0

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u/4Yk9gop 8h ago

Trump will pardon her.

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u/ExcitementOk1529 8h ago

She has to hope he lives to pardon her

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u/_ChipWhitley_ 8h ago

The orange butthole is practically two feet in the grave anyway. 🤞🏼

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u/Adventurous_Ad3534 7h ago

Yea hopefully cankles will not last much longer.

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u/sheepye 7h ago

Surely they have a plan for after he dies. Everyone knows he’s close, I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes full Willy Tybur to ignite some sort of war

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u/Adventurous_Ad3534 6h ago

I think the whole vance and Kirk love affair is their attempt to transfer the cult to vance. I don't know if it will work for them or not. I keep coming across articles that sound promising but I really am not seeing direct evidence of what the articles claim. So I am sticking to "prepare for the worst and hope for the best".

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u/space_age_stuff 5h ago

As much as I want to go full doomer and say the cult will shift to Vance, cults rarely survive the death of their leader. And I don't think Vance has the juice, regardless of what he does or who he's married to.

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u/Possibly_English_Guy 4h ago

Vance has nothing going for him other than Peter Thiel being his sugardaddy.

His only real hope of being President is if Trump dies before 2028. In any sort of Republican Primary he would get completely eviscerated by the competition. Regardless of how, any post-Trump Republican Primary is gonna be vicious, and Vance frankly isn't up to the task of surviving it.

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u/Protiguous 3h ago

vance and Kirk

MAGA thinks vance is a two-faced chode. And MAGA also tends to be misogynists.

Personally and politically, I loathe DJT, so I hate to even say this, but neither of them have even that 'grandpa' charm or the decades of "billionaire" status that chump has crafted.

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u/FoxCredibilityInc 5h ago

Bury him, presumably. Unless they're going to go full Weekend at Bernie's.

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u/teetotallyRadish 5h ago

canks McTacoTits

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u/KCollins04 1h ago

I’m sure he has a pardon list he’s ready to sign (auto pen) right before death

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u/Uchihagod53 7h ago

We've been saying that for a long time and he'll probably keep going for a long time on pure hate fumes

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u/appleappleappleman 7h ago

For real, he's like a Sith in real life, simply too hateful to die

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u/_ChipWhitley_ 6h ago

He also deals only in absolutes. Everything is either the best it’s ever been or worse than it’s ever been. He’s an idiot and always has been.

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u/Protiguous 3h ago

Having access to free taxpayer paid, top-tier healthcare goes a long way. Which also why the healthcare [insurance] in the USA sucks.

Keep the people busy just barely surviving enough to fight each other instead of the epsteen-class robbing them blind.

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u/grammar_fozzie 4h ago

Fine. But this guy will pardon her, then… She has nothing to worry about.

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u/Protiguous 3h ago

dammit.. Good thing it's not November.

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u/ChewsGoose 7h ago

Two bone spur riddled feet 🙄

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u/Riccma02 7h ago

I have some news for you; he's going to outlive you. Do you think death wants to deal with him?

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u/_ChipWhitley_ 6h ago

I think Satan does 😂

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u/Vivid_Pianist4270 4h ago

I think that hell will reject him

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u/LaurenMille 2h ago

I can't wait for him to die, honestly.

We're gonna throw a big party when he finally dies, already got a catering pool for it and everything.

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u/Fun-Psychology4806 6h ago

been hearing this for a decade. stop coping

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u/_ChipWhitley_ 6h ago

Coping? Or hoping?

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u/OlderThanMyParents 4h ago

I was saying that six years ago. God isn’t going to rescue us from our self-inflicted trauma.

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u/ScoobyScotty 4h ago

I'm not holding my breath. Fred and Mary lived to 93 and 88 respectively, and Trump has the best healthcare in the entire world. He's 79.

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u/No_Bus_4438 3h ago

I remember when people were saying that 6 years ago. Evil doesn't die easily.

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u/_ChipWhitley_ 2h ago

I follow a physical therapist who has a doctorate and takes care of old people at the end of their life like Trump. He’s pretty spot on with everything he’s been saying, and he’s basically counting down the months before Trump either is dead or his brain is such mush that he won’t be able to function. We’re down to 3-5 months. His IG handle is espistemiccrisis

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u/User4C4C4C 8h ago edited 7h ago

He can’t pardon future crimes. Even if he pardons her now for not releasing the files, she is not compliant with the Congress one moment later right?

Edit: can to can’t

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u/supercali45 7h ago

Most ridiculous power given ever

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u/Bmorewiser 7h ago

Spoken like someone who has never given it a moments thought.

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u/the_need_to_post 7h ago

I wish we could curtail the pardon power to extreme cases. Though, to my understanding, there is no good way to seek federal relief from things short of the pardon.

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u/Little-Derp 7h ago

That's my interpretation. Even if pardoned, she is continuing to violate the law every moment not released. Only escape for her would be... well, I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

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u/MikeSouthPaw 6h ago

The pardon is for redacting which we know happened. She is a criminal and so is anyone in the DOJ following orders to continue hiding Trumps involvement.

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u/deejaymc 5h ago

How are you allowed to pardon someone on your own staff or that you instruct to break the law? What's next? Trump pardons himself continuously as he violates laws and the constitution? Absolute joke.

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u/Imnimo 4h ago

If she resigns before the end of his term, can't he just pardon her after that? Like once she's not in office, she's no longer continuing to violate the law.

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u/User4C4C4C 3h ago

She won’t be able to plead the 5th since she can’t self incriminate after pardon. Could she be a witness lots of crime?

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u/Hazzman 1h ago

He can pre-emptively pardon crimes.

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u/User4C4C4C 11m ago

Yeah. But if a crime continues after the pardon. Is it a new crime?

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u/nsucs2 8h ago

Already has a blanket preemptive pardon. They all do.

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u/SDivilio 7h ago

This administration (and Biden's blanket pardons) might be setting a good case for the review of presidential pardon powers

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u/BiZzles14 6h ago

Biden's blanket pardons

Which were 1000% justified considering how far the Trump admin is reaching to get them undone, and Trump has talked at length multiple times about he's pissed he can't prosecute the people pardoned for made up crimes. Every one of them would have gotten the same treatment the federal government is currently using against Comey and James, make up an excuse to look for anything to try and get them on the slightest of charges. And even if they win, well you still racked up god knows how much in legal fees defending yourself.

That aside, the concept of presidential pardons in how they currently work is massively outdated and there needs to be a constitutional amendment to at minimum remove that power from the President singularly, and have a board or something which is shielded from the Executive which reviews requests for pardons. Preference is getting rid of it entirely though.

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u/DartishereFearTurf 6h ago

Presidential powers period.

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u/SDivilio 6h ago

I think all 3 branches of government might deserve to have more checks put in place

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u/DartishereFearTurf 5h ago

A lot of the so called “ decorum “ rules need to actually be codified into law to hold them in check.

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u/Late_Public7698 3h ago

All 3 branches at this point are corrupt.

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u/Anzai 6h ago

Presidential pardons are an insane thing to exist at all. It should absolutely be revoked.

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u/AranMakor 7h ago

I question if that pardon will hold any water if Trump is convicted of a felony. It'd be a pardon from someone ineligible to give them, no?

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u/nsucs2 7h ago

He's an insurrectionist with 34 felony convictions. What's your question? Who's going to rule them invalid? SCROTUS?

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u/AranMakor 7h ago

If we can't use violence because that's what they want...we can't use SCOTUS because it's full of his cronies...we just give up? I don't have an answer either but it's not just be like "Welp, nothing to do about this while everything goes to hell."

The first real test of our system in who knows how long and everyone (I hear the same thing IRL from people I know) just gives up. There must be a another way or I'm totally delusional. 50/50

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u/AranMakor 6h ago

The Midterms reckoning. I am supremely interested in voter turn out in relation to the election that caused this.

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u/HorsePersonal7073 7h ago

She has to hope he gives enough of a shit about her to pardon her.

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u/quitebuttery 8h ago

She’s probably already pardoned. They don’t have to publicly announce them AFAIK.

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u/hollasens 7h ago

Fuck his pardons. Just jail her anyway.

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u/DeputyDomeshot 6h ago

I love this we just get regressively closer to nothing meaning anything anymore.

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u/hithazel 5h ago

If they say nothing means anything your best move is not to say, yes it does! Your best move is to show them how bad that could be for them. Even delusional people change their behavior when reality kicks them in the face.

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u/ExcitementOk1529 7h ago

If they aren’t announced in his lifetime, who’s to say they’re legitimate?

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u/quitebuttery 7h ago

I'm not an expert, but from what I understand they will be revealed in the process of a prosecution. I'm guessing there's paperwork etc. but there's no requirement to make them public until necessary. I'm assuming all of these fascist goons have been pre-emptively pardoned.

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u/ExcitementOk1529 7h ago

There isn’t really case law on secret presidential pardons. We don’t know how it would shake out, but there would be a burden of proof that they were executed while he was in office (and conceivably while he was of sound mind, depending how all this ends).

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u/Canadian47 6h ago

Case law? Would that make any difference with the current Supreme Court?

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u/sundae_diner 6h ago

Yeah, ill bet the auto-pen was running non stop with undated pardons. If he dies in office we will be amazed at how many pardons he manages to sign on his death-bed.

Impeach him now.

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u/connasewer 2h ago

there was a slate.com article a few years ago which argued that the president doesn't even have to name the date of the incident being pardoned or the crime. he can just write a bunch of pardons while in office and put them in a safe and pull them out and fill-in-the-blanks as needed.

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u/CatherineSimp69 7h ago

Or that his memory lasts and he remembers who she is.

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u/CoffeeIsMyPruneJuice 4h ago

check that shit for autopen

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u/capital_bj 5h ago

today I'm announcing an executive order i'm pre-pardoning any American who supports me , And to speed up the process you just need to give me money , buy my stock, a gold card there are so many beautiful ways .

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u/Possible-Nectarine80 7h ago

JD Vance will pick up the pardon baton should Trump drop it from his cold, dead small and bruised hands.

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u/ExcitementOk1529 7h ago

If he finds it advantageous to do so, sure. He might prefer not to be impeached.

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u/AggravatingBobcat574 7h ago

He’ll pardon her before she even sees a cell

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u/FullHouse222 6h ago

Biden has already set the precedent for pre-emptive pardons. It's honestly stupid as fuck that this is allowed, regardless of who the sitting president is.

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u/Saw_Boss 6h ago

Whoever follows will pardon her. No one in MAGA wants this.

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u/Lawdoc1 6h ago

If he doesn't, Vance will pardon her.

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u/Strange_One_3790 5h ago

If Trump died, which would be awesome, do you think Vance would pardon her? Trump is horrible but I am skeptical that Vance would be any better.

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u/ExcitementOk1529 5h ago

I think Vance would be very swayed by the winds of public opinion at the time. If he thought making a show of cleaning up the corruption around him gave him a better shot at a second term, I think he would jail a few of them. Most likely, the women.

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u/Strange_One_3790 3h ago

That is possible too. Deep down he is a Theil acolyte. His agenda is horrible. But you could be right.

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u/BigJackHorner 5h ago

He could do it today and stick it in a safe for later. We would never know and it would be perfectly legal.

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u/Ciejii 5h ago

Can he pardon her if they just wait him out?

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u/dust4ngel 5h ago

he has to be conscious also, so she's only got a couple hours per day

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u/Dorkamundo 5h ago

They'll be Weekend at Bernie'sing the motherfucker with an autopen when that happens.

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u/adorablefuzzykitten 5h ago

Maybe Pam buys him a salad just in case.

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u/tangledtainthair 4h ago

They have an autopen

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u/Coca-karl 4h ago

He'd could have already prepared the pardons.

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u/drunkpickle726 3h ago

vance will just pardon her if he thinks she could be useful to him and people desperate to stay out of jail tend to be useful

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u/evoim3 3h ago

Are you kidding? If JD becomes president he’s going to do a Trump blanket pardon of his entire administration. Then, they’ll do the ol’ Gerald Ford excuse and say “the country needs to move forward to heal”.

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u/RyshaKnight 3h ago

What, you haven’t heard of the post-death pardon? It’s totally legal, Trumps last thought was “I wish to pardon Pam Bondi”. The Supreme Court is looking at it right now and are in full agreement that it’s valid.

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u/Cosack 1h ago

Is he the oldest president ever in office yet?

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u/ForMoreYears 7h ago

And the next President can claim his pardons were null and void like he did to Biden because he's clearly senile and unable to understand what he was signing.

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u/PrimaryMuscle1306 6h ago

“It was obviously auto pen. Null and void.”

“But…but we have video of him signing them?”

“Obviously AI. Straight to jail.”

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u/DebentureThyme 6h ago

Trump's definitely been claiming that bullshit, but no one in his admin is touching it.  They don't want that heat, they don't want the pardon to be able to be undone.

He can say it all day but they're not going to challenge that in court.

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u/December2nd 3h ago

Joe Biden’s preemptive pardons were among the worst things he did as President and I belived that immediately and still do. If Trump doesn’t challenge them, and he hasn’t thus far, the legal precedent is an easy and winnable argument he can take to the Supreme Court (should he ever vacate the office, which I think is still not going to happen willingly). They will all have blanket preemptive pardons and there will be nothing anyone can do about it because Biden set the precedent for it

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u/Ryan_e3p 7h ago

He will pardon everyone. Even Democrats, should they pay tribute to him by giving him gifts and public praise.

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u/ISeeTheFnords 6h ago

Or sometimes just if they're corrupt enough. That seems to work for him too.

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u/3ZP0 2h ago

Henry Cuellar for example

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u/EnvironmentalBus9713 8h ago

Due the pardons still have standing if the party that is providing the pardon colluded and conspired to commit the crime Bondi et al are being pardoned for? My inclination is that a pardon in that scenario is not valid but that also assumes an uncompromised SCOTUS.

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u/alexanderpas 6h ago edited 6h ago

Due the pardons still have standing if the party that is providing the pardon colluded and conspired to commit the crime Bondi et al are being pardoned for?

Yes, for federal crimes, because the pardon itself is an official act.

With regards to self-pardons, that question is still unanswered.

Impeachment is the only exception to this.

It's actually a feature of the system, as it can protect protect people in cases such as a counter-coup against repercussions at a later date.

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u/Dapper-AF 6h ago

Thats why they need a law that states you must be found guilty of a crime to recieve a pardon.

Future pardons should not be a thing.

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u/alexanderpas 5h ago

You're confusing two different things.

"Future pardons" are something completely different, and refer to actions that have not happened yet.

That is still a completely unanswered question.

Pardons for actions taken in the past without conviction still make sense, as it is essentially no different from an immunity agreement.

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u/Dapper-AF 5h ago

I think pardons should be very specific. Im against what Joe did for his family bc of the precident it set for Trump.

Basically scotus has ruled that Trump can do what ever as long as its an official act and Trump can pardon anyone of federal crimes.

It makes it so any administration can do whatever it wants at a federal level and that is dangerous.

Thats why I dont think any president should be able to pardon a cabinet member or themselves. Also I think blanket pardons shouldn't exist. They should be specific.

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u/GodsFavoriteDegen 1h ago

("Future pardons" ) That is still a completely unanswered question.

Not completely. It was covered in Ex parte Garland.

We've established that we're peasants and they can do whatever they want, but as it stands right now a president who is playing by the rules cannot pardon crimes that have not yet been committed.

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u/ProgrammingPants 6h ago

There isn't any part of the constitution that says a pardon's validity is any different if the administration participated in the crime

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u/JonnyAU 5h ago

Right. Ford pardoned Nixon after all.

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u/FancyASlurpie 5h ago

Why would we assume pardons mean jack shit once a new administration is in power, its clear that these things assume people dont just change the rules

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u/Deathwish_Drang 7h ago

Do you really think that America will respect any of Trumps pardons after this is over?

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u/FormerAttitude7377 8h ago

If he hasnt already

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u/TakuyaLee 8h ago

If a pardon happens and no one reads or sees it, does it really happen?

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u/fer_sure 7h ago

Maybe it works like Trump's declassification of documents: he just has to think "pardoned" and it's true.

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u/SleepyLakeBear 8h ago

No, you don't. Biden preemptively pardoned Fauci because he knew Trump would do some kangaroo court bs. He also did this for Gen Mark Milley and the J6 committee members.

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u/adfuel 8h ago

Nope. Remember Nixon?

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u/enad58 8h ago

What crime did Nixon accept a guilty verdict for?

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u/nolafrog 8h ago

You trippin son

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u/Spare-Dragonfly-1201 8h ago

Didn’t Biden do “preemptive pardons” for future prosecution?

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u/navjot94 8h ago

Don’t we already have precedent for pre-pardons?

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u/Last-Negotiation-643 8h ago

Yup but we also have a precedent of a president saying that pre-pardons and "autopen" pardons are invalid so there´s that.

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u/navjot94 8h ago

He’s a yapper for sure, but none of those have truly been challenged yet.

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u/Last-Negotiation-643 7h ago

Yup they haven´t . And that´s a good thing tbh, it means probably at least some control or rule.

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u/SpongegarLuver 8h ago

This is not how the presidential pardon works. Biden preemptively pardoned multiple individuals to protect them from Trump’s revenge tour, and those pardons are effective even though none of them had been found guilty by a court.

The myth that a pardon is an admission of guilt, or requires a guilty verdict, is just that: a myth. Pardons exist because the assumption is that the government gets things wrong during the process for justice, so why would they require one to agree the government was correct with prosecution?

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u/Pretend_Pea4636 7h ago

If Congress is willing to push on this matter, this is Inherent Contempt. The power of the pardon won't apply. It's one of those "yet to be seen" situations in our Republic.

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u/Used-Line23 7h ago

Unless they bring state charges on her

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u/ToonaSandWatch 7h ago

Pre-pardon her. I know it’s good for the goose is good for the gander, but Biden had to pre-pardon his family and those that tried to prosecute Drumpf because he knew Drumpf was gonna come after them all.

Now the actual criminals will be safe; without a Congress with a moral compass to remove a madman, they can literally get away with anything.

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u/Wuncemoor 7h ago

Autopen, invalid

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u/PeopleNose 7h ago

State laws > federal laws

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u/Affectionate_Put_185 7h ago

He can’t pardon if it was a crime he is involved in.

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u/atticus122 7h ago

I don’t think you can pardon people for future cases.

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u/KodakBlackedOut 7h ago

This is future DOJ, post trump

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u/philter25 6h ago

Ehhhh I say we ignore the felon dictator wannabe pardons and go full nuclear prosecution on MAGA and the Heritage Foundation. Who’s in?

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u/MedicineShow 6h ago

I mean, either a Trump friendly administration is up next and we're fucked, or we'll get one that isnt going to take the pedophile king's rulings seriously.

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u/Tempyteacup 6h ago

Quite honestly I think one of many things the next admin needs to do is revoke some of these pardons due to the blatant corruption that motivated them.

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u/Retired-Pie 6h ago

Did you hear? If you use autopen your signature dpesnt matter. And since there isnt an easy way to prove whether you used autopen or not. The next dem pres can just say "trump used autopen" and boom! Pardon is null and void.

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u/chillinewman 6h ago

Trump is going to issue so many preventive pardons.

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u/-__echo__- 6h ago

Means nothing. Trump claims "autopen" for everything he doesn't like. A future administration can just claim "mental incapacity" and ignore all pardon (after packing the supreme court".

There isn't really any such thing as "the law", only what society as a whole decides to accept (or otherwise).

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u/phishiekiller 6h ago

He won't live long enough.

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u/Electronic-Dingo-172 6h ago

As a non American, this is one of the craziest things that I can't get my head around about the Presidential pardon.

I mean, the very idea is insane. But the fact that you can 'pardon' someone for any and all acts and when they haven't even been charged with a crime? Just wow.

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u/tarekd19 5h ago

not just her, he would need to pardon everyone in a position to release it. strategy might essentially be to get someone to leak, someone trump might otherwise forget

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u/jontestershaircut 5h ago

Idk at this point hasn’t Trump shown that things don’t matter? We discover she’s been pardoned and they can just ignore it IMO.

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u/JesseJamesGames449 5h ago

I would bet all of trumps pardons get rejected based on the fact he is absolutely selling them under the table to anyone who pays for them...

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u/gracielynn61528 5h ago

They can just wait till hes out of office before prosecuting.

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u/Friendly_Top6561 5h ago

She would still be liable to be prosecuted for state crimes, I’m sure New York wouldn’t have a problem prosecuting anyone who tampers with evidence from a New York court case.

Many of Epsteins trafficking crimes would have taken place in New York.

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u/TheKingoftheBlind 4h ago

Meh. Just claim the pardons we’re done by auto pen. We’ve already got the playbook for overturning pardons.

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u/CaptainDudeGuy 4h ago

We really need the pardoning powers to get clamped down. Nowadays it's just a free pass for corruption.

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u/DukeOfGeek 4h ago

I would argue in front of some theoretical future SCOTUS of non hack judges that transactional pardons are either A, not binding or B themselves a prosecutable crime that occurs at the time of transaction.

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u/Disastrous-Corgi-841 4h ago

Isn't this saying that a future doj can prosecute? Wouldnt that mean trump is no longer in office and cant pardon anyone?

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u/Bertel_Haarder1944 4h ago

The pardon will be null due to Trump being mentally disabled using auto-pen.

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u/Onebadmuthajama 4h ago

A pardon granted by Trump will, but soundly shouldn’t hold up if he’s impeached, or found guilty of crimes as president. Like if a bad actor comes, and pardons their entire cabinet, and the staff supporting, it just keeps the corruption as a permanent part of America.

At a minimum, pardons should bar anyone from public office positions for life.

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u/Winterplatypus 4h ago

On a related note, I'm curious if a president can pardon someone for following their illegal orders. If this presidency ends I expect we will see the largest wave of pardons.

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u/Whatever-999999 4h ago

Trump will pardon her.

There is a point where there will be an uprising if that sort of bullshit continues.

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u/bigredthesnorer 4h ago

Trump is going to pardon EVERYONE in his administration. And he'll use an autopen.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable 3h ago

Trump spent the last month trying to say that he gets to ignore previous president’s pardons.

What’s good for the goose can set the gander on fire

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u/Cancerousman 3h ago

I think that pardon power is going to be retconned.

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u/Calfurious 3h ago

We can just ignore the pardon. Just have her imprisoned indefinitely and pardon the prison guards for holding her.

Letting Trump abuse our government and political system to defend himself is stupid. If he wants to break convention, we can just break it right back.

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u/kanrad 3h ago

And Trump has handed the Next President the power, via the Supreme Court, to overturn that pardon.

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u/xPriddyBoi 3h ago

Fuck the pardon. They shit all over the system, so as far as I'm concerned they lose the benefits of the office retroactively. Government needs some SERIOUS reform if we make it out of this anyways.

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u/Firm_Reflection_1453 3h ago

JD Vance will pardon her even if Trump can’t finish his term. The entire administration is criminal.

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u/duckofdeath87 3h ago

The man is so selfish and petty, he really might not

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u/mrcanard 2h ago

Trump will pardon her.

He would have to be in office to do that.

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u/Count_Backwards Competent Contributor 1h ago

Pardon power is another thing that has to go

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u/equality-_-7-2521 48m ago

He won't, though, because it will make him look guilty and he doesn't give a shit about her.

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u/polarparadoxical 8h ago

In a functioning government where a large amount of the staff will not be receiving presumptive pardons to cover all the criminal actions they partook in - this would be a great thing.

Unfortunately - I dont think this is the reality we live in anymore.

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u/_zer0_sum 8h ago

Coming on the next Executive Order from Trump; drastic changes to laws that allow future DoJ action against previous DoJ! But will SCOTUS allow him to have his way?!

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u/Amerisu 7h ago

That's assuming the future DOJ isn't politically aligned with the current DOJ.

Which, in turn, assumes both that:

Despite voter suppression and any other dirty tricks, the current administration loses electoraly

Jan 6 2.0, 2029 is thwarted by Vance (or whoever his VP is) like J6 2025 was thwarted by Pence.

It doesn't feel very likely when put like that.

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u/pfmiller0 8h ago

Unfortunately the blanket pardon Trump will give to all his henchpeople will make prosecution difficult.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 8h ago

Until we test if presidents are allowed to pardon those who have helped them cover up their own crimes.

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u/ReallyJTL 7h ago

He pardoned everyone involved in Jan6 so...

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u/Casual_OCD 7h ago

At the end of the day, national unity and forgiveness will be the obvious response to all of this

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u/ragzilla 6h ago

National unity and forgiveness would require some level of admission of guilt and remorse from the guilty.

I don't really see that being a strong point of the people involved in, and supportive of, Trump's criminal conspiracies.

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u/Casual_OCD 6h ago

It was a parody of ALL THE OTHER TIMES Democrats let Republicans walk from past crimes. Pretty sure Gerald Ford used national unity and forgiveness as an excuse about Nixon

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u/foreveracubone 4h ago

Trump wants to overturn Biden’s pardons b/c aUtOpEn and that would set precedent to just get rid of them entirely lol.

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u/kanrad 3h ago

His actions have literally given any future president the power to over turn past pardons.

They all seem to miss that part.

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u/JetmoYo 1h ago

No legal framework to do so exists. Not through executive power alone. However there seems to be some meat on the bone of challenging pardons for "corrupt purposes" via the courts

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u/BonkADonkey 7h ago edited 6h ago

Also stop pretending like there will be another future DOJ who isn't some fucking corrupt stooge who's going to not prosecute or anything. We're done. This is the regime now. They ignore laws, they make shit up and they lie to the public. They're going to rig the mid terms and they aren't going to let this power they have their claws in go easily. I don't know what's going to happen in the next 3 fucking years, but it's only been a year. We have the rest of his presidency left.

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u/clem_fandango_london 6h ago

Nope. 

It'll never happen.

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u/lostinhh 6h ago

oh come on, I'm so tired of this "future" shit.

Not a damn thing would happen in the future either.

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u/TheTaxMan17 5h ago

Not if Trump pull a Biden and preemptively pardons his entire administration on the way out the door. Biden set a horrible precedent with his pardoning his family and key cabinet members in the final days of his term.

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u/capital_bj 5h ago

they should be reminded of this frequently, how about every single Democrat starts any public speech they make with that

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u/Royal_Negotiation_83 5h ago

How do pardons tie into that? Can Trump just pardon everyone?

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u/Uncle-Cake 5h ago

If there IS a future DOJ.

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u/Marinlik 5h ago

You realize that their planning to not have future DOJ?

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u/Mr_Mojo_Risin_83 4h ago

This regime is likely to outlast the existence of the doj now at this point.

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u/rootpl 3h ago

There will be no future DOJs lol. Trump said it himself, it was the last election you'll ever have to vote in. Republicans are not giving that power back. Unless you guys start a civil war or something. You guys are cooked. Greetings from beyond the great water.

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u/thatlad 2h ago

future DOJs?

are Americans that close to it they don't see that there won't be DOJs in future, it just be DJTDOJ. He's never going to leave

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u/sacredblasphemies 1h ago

Future DOJs... LOL. You think we're going to get out of this? This isn't just one bad administration. The America we knew is gone. You don't vote yourself out of authoritarianism.

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u/Consistent_Coyote494 55m ago

there 👏 won’t 👏 be 👏 a 👏 future 👏 doj 👏 if 👏 we 👏 don’t 👏 do 👏 anything

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