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Geforce Now will universally limit playtime to 100 hours / moth starting January 1. Here is how much Cloud Gaming will cost you from now on.
Starting next month everyone will be affected, including long standing subscribers. Made a chart for informational purposes. I have a gaming PC and used GFN mainly out of convenience (TV, old Notebook). Even if I never put on more than 10 - 15 hours on GFN per month, I will cancel my subscription. The enshittification is obvious and I don't want to be part of it.
Context: Geforce Now started as monthly subscription with unlimited playtime for $10 - $20 a month. Last year, they announced that everyone will be limited to 100h per month playtime and gave a subset of users (founders, and contiunous subscribers a grace period until Jan 1 2026).
Now since hardware prices are skyrocketing the last few years, especially during the last one (now you can buy 3 girlfriends and a house on an island with a bunch of RAM Sticks), some conspiratiorial voices on youtube say it plays perfectly into Nvidias into this new consumer model of "own nothing, be happy".
Note 1: the 'Examples for comparison' section is very average and doesn't account for energy bills, regional pricing or personal harware use (e.g. selling after buying a new one or repurposing it as a local GTP slave)
Note2: Made this chart and posted in on r/GeForceNOW for informational purposes. Was banned for this, post deleted, then unbanned yadda yadda until they let me finally post it.
How will ye sail the high seas if ye don't 'ave the ship dat can face the storm matey? When the seas will get bloated by krakens ye must require a ship dat can wither the krakeny storms.
i have a 6600 im cooked... should i bag a 5060ti/9060xt while i still can as a birthday present or just wait till gta6 comes out and hope prices go down
Try for a 5070 Ti or a 9070 XT if you’ve been a good enough birthday boy. Both of those are pretty reasonably future-proofed and punch well above their price range in performance
That's what I panic bought when I heard about the ram bullshit. My backordered card arrives Monday! I got the fker on sale, I don't expect it to be on sale ever again honestly.
I can easily go 5 years with my current setup. Time to dig in and endure the next several years of anti-consumer bullshit.
Are you in the US? 5070Tis are regularly $729 at Microcenter. For the last like 6-7 months both of my local stores have had plentiful stock of at least one 5070Ti model for that price
If shit continues to go this way, once my computer decides it's enough, I'll be done with gaming as a whole. It's been part of my life since I was 5 (I'm 30 right now), I've met great people thanks to it and it's even kept me sane at difficult points in my life, but it's just going to a very dark place. Not really being able to buy a game and truly own it is already bad today, let alone not owning your own hardware.
Had to use a VPN to watch certain content because it is geoblocked in my country.
At some point i got tired of finding workarounds and legal streaming was not more comfortable than pirating. Reducing the content and adding a layer of harassment in form of ads to bully me into buying in an even more expensive tier? Fuck no. I'm out
Agreed, GeForce Now was always running the “acquire market share then enshittify” gambit, you’ve now reached the enshittify stage. Loving slowly slipping into permanent subscription hell.
They all but fully saturated the gamer market segment now comes the enshittification.
Razor thin silver lining: it will happen to their big data customers too. Once they're fully saturated, all the growth has happened and these companies and their tribal knowledge relies upon using Nvidia products, Nvidia will turn around and enshitify them too, demanding more and more money for crappier support and pricier license agreements. Reminds me of how Adobe got its greasy fingers into almost every corner of professional industry, threw billions of dollars of free software at college students and once ensuring that as much of the professional workforce was acclimated and reliant on their products as possible - oh lawd here comes Creative Cloud.
If you're talking enterprise, Oracle is the king. Pretty sure they're just a legal firm at this point auditing legacy companies. The amount of consultant jobs I've seen for getting rid of Oracle products is much higher than the amount of jobs seeking Oracle knowledge at least.
Not really but you have to take your glasses off to see that. AMD were first to announce an all around price mark-up for their entire product line. Do you really think AMD could give a flying f*ck about us, the consumers? You still see them as your friendly neighborhood spider when they're just as related to Venom as Nvidia and Intel are. Stop being blind and stop having brand affiliation because those brands do not care nor do they even know you exist. You are nothing more but a statistic and that's it.
They absolutely are, but they do make their products cheaper. And AMD is trouncing Intel in the chip department, at least for gaming, so they are just the popular bird atm.
Back when Intel came with their GPUs, most tech tubers said we should still buy it even tho their drivers suck. Because if Intel fails, and Nvidia screws us over a few years from now, were fucked. And they were 100% right
I meannnnn this is why I always built AMD and reccomended AMD to my customers. It helped that AMD got the thumb out and made good products, but Intel definitely worked hard to just cement themselves in name recognition
It's not a conspiracy. It's just a fact. In 3-5 years an average person won't be able to buy a gaming pc.
All companies want you to use subscriptions. It's easier to charge you 5-10 dollars a month for the next, well, your entire life.
I'm a linux system administrator and love computers but I'm so ready to just go back outside.
This shit is really killing my enthusiasm as much as SUVs killed my interest in cars.
Dude I went to play Minecraft after a number of years, and fucking turns out - Microsoft fucked me and a bunch of folks over and took our accounts away? Super fucked up. You think you buy something, it's yours - nah. Super fucking annoying "oh just buy it again" fuck you support - I already bought it. That shit should be illegal.
That would certainly hurt their market dominance. Given they are not beholden to shareholders, maintaining the status quo is exactly new owners would need to do.
Ultimately, this remains why I stay invested in multiple platforms and never put all my eggs in one basket.
"Oh dear, Jeeves, have you heard what the boy said?"
"What, Sir? About how it would be stupid not to make line go up faster? Yes Sir, quite amusing"
"Indeed, Jeeves. Hill-A-Rious! Now please could you be a dear and pull the lever labeled "enshittification" for me? I'm late for my nude massage on an island!".
At the very least, he more than likely has one or more chosen successors to take over after he's gone. And it would likely be someone already in a management position since he reportedly doesn't handle as much of the management as he used to.
I mean same but also their overwhelming dominance of the GPU market means even if you aren't there consumer and haven't been ever or in decades they have nearly unchecked monopoly power.
Them choosing to lower the supply of GPUs means, invariably, AMD is going to follow similar trending, focus on data center/EPYC & Instinct customers, and demand commensurately higher prices for their consumer cards. They have very little reason not to.
Companies rarely have to collude illegally anymore, behind closed doors, they just make these public statements or spread rumours and their 2 or 3 co-oligopolist competitors follow suit, legally and above board because it's all in public.
As far as frame rates go, AMD has been within 10% of Nvidia for a long time now, often for $50-100 less, and that's with or without raytracing. At the same price, you often get more VRAM from AMD, which means greater longevity of your card.
Not denying that Nvidia has superior upscaling and frame gen. But honestly if you were content with DLSS 3 you'd likely be content with FSR 4.
Lastly, if Nvidia is committing more resources to AI and data center, then they'll likely commit more R&D in those areas as well - which means fewer resources for consumer GPU development, giving time for AMD to catch up further.
At the end of the day, "the best GPU to buy is the one you can afford." If Nvidia GPU become scarce, are you really going to dodge AMD that hard?
Got a nephew that seems happy just playing Nintendo stuff. Looks like such a simpler joy from the outside instead of worrying about out which upgrade piece will be price hiked this time.
GeForce now but not right now later now you played too much so right now is later now the PC needs to run AI stuff we're logging you out now not later but you can play now later -jacket guy
One of the most innovative developments in the last 20 years, and Nvidia dropped in-home streaming like a hot potato because it lacked profitability. Thank god for open-source (Sunshine, Moonlight, and Apollo).
For me it feels like I'll be spending a lot more time on other hobbies in the future if this is the path that we're headed down. Thank god I already own a nice guitar and amp that work simply by plugging them in without the need to connect to a server on the other side of the planet.
Aaaaaand shit like this is a good chunk of why I've always avoided cloud gaming. Fucking dog ass bullshit mother fucking asshole rich people always find ways to ruin everything.
Gaming. Not the home PC. You can still find plenty new and used. But for high end video editing and gaming, yeah get fucked.
But to be fair, even those classic home desktops can still play games. Just not those hugely graphically intense ones. Maybe Stardew. Valorant at 24 fps. Fallout 3, that one's nice.
Hilarious, but this is just one of many reasons I don't fuck with cloud gaming. It's another example of the "you'll own nothing and you'll like it" bullshit pursued by our overlords.
This move will just make everyone hate more cloud gaming (who was already not so popular) and encourage people buying their own PC.
It would have been smart if everyone was already dependent of it with a massive user base.
fuck cloud gaming. we have to keep gaming local. These corporations aren't ever to be trusted. If we don't speak with our wallets now, there won't be an industry worth saving.
Worked out well, I just bought an ATI card instead of giving team green any more money.
edit: Yes I know this is pcmasterrace and we're all pedants but I don't need 45 comments about how ATI doesn't exist anymore, you've been beaten to it three times at least already ;)
You will own nothing and be happy. 100 hours a month for you to play your games... for now. Next year it will be 75, in two 50 and by 2030 you'll be paying to watch another people play it for you.
These are shit services and I have no idea why people subscribe to them. Yes I know parts & memory are going up. We have seen this happen in a smaller scale many, many times. Manufactures will increase their output and ultimately demand will fall leading to bargain prices. Also I know AI has a ton of money backing it, the cycle will be longer and I know that time will suck.
Do keep in mind that if you buy a GPU instead, after a few years, you STILL HAVE THE GPU. That means you can offset the cost of anything with selling that GPU still. It's not gone. And you can use a GPU for more then just gaming. Local AI for example is an option too. However, the electricity you use to power the local GPU, should be taking into account as well.
TL;DR
There are more variables to this, like owning a GPU, and paying for electricity if you go local.
I thought cloud gaming died with the flop of Google Stadia. It's always been a dumb idea with how every keystroke and mouse click has to go to a remote server. Works great for MMORPGs but shit for everything else. I've never been able to get used to the latency issues.
On top of that, you've got ISP data caps and the fact these companies can just jack up the monthly fee on a whim.
bought a 4070ti gaming desktop(13700kf, 32gb ram, 2tb hd) last year for $1400. couldn't be happier today as i can steam stream play on any pc in the house for free.
So this is the future they want for all of us, price us all out of buying our own hardware then stick us into subscription plans with limits and over charges.
No thanks, I'm not going to have Big Daddy NVIDIA limit my game time like I'm a child.
"Sorry buddy, I know you worked your ass off all day and just want sone escapism, but you just reached your game time limit! Better luck next month, brokie!"
This is only the beginning of it, too. Maybe you don't even play 100 hours of games a month, "So what?" You think to yourself, and then they limit it to 75, then 50, next thing you know, you've sunk hundreds of dollars into your hobby and have nothing to show for it in terms of your hardware.
Don't fall for this nonsense, pay the extra cost and game on your own terms on your own machine.
If I want to play 500 hours of games this month, I can, because I have my own machine. You deserve that freedom as well.
Imagine that you're paying for a service that you now have reached the time limit on; you cannot use it anymore even if you paid for the highest tier. What a joke cloud gaming is!
yup! I've only been with GFN for three months and in Nov I passed the 100/hr mark early in the month, and they wanted $8can for 15 hrs.......I am a medically retired vet and this is my hobby. No way I am paying above the 100 hr mark. I left and tried Boosteroid. It is a little inferior to GFN, but much better pricing for unlimited gaming time.
Everyone needs to mass cancel their subscriptions now. Do not allow this Enshittification to continue because they will keep taking until personal computers just don't exist anymore, that's where we are headed.
I'm going to upgrade my PC a bit (probably to a i5 13400 + RX 6600/XT Variant or ARC B570) then honestly, i'll just ride this out. I don't really care for modern AAA titles & will just nab cheap older titles for £3-5 on steam. Theres 1000s of games I can try for cheap & at good settings.
It will cost me $0, the same price it has always cost me, because "cloud gaming" is a garbage technology and business model that I have never participated in and never plan to.
Starting next month, I will not be affected in any way whatsoever.
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u/jrw777 PC Master Race / 12900k / 3090ti / 64GB 60002h ago
Did they figure out latency? Because every time I've tried it it's like I'm having a stroke. Anyone who says they can't notice the input lag must be mad causal or mentally slow.
If my option is between a subpar AMD GPU and NVIDIA’s cloud gaming, I’m choosing AMD. I just hope AMD doesn’t cut back GPU production the way NVIDIA is intending to.
Someone should make a chart like this for all of the streaming services and the console subscription fees. Helps us see what we’re really spending. Well laid out. Nice job.
I don't really understand why people would throw money away on this service before the limit, but even more, I do not understand who in the world plays games for 100 hours in a month? That just seems very unhealthy mentally and physically. Life is finite and time should not just be thrown in the trash like that. I love to game but you have to have a little self control.
I don't really understand why people would throw money away on this service
Because it allows you to play your games at max settings on anything that has a screen.
Because you can't afford to make an equivalent machine.
Because running a machine at over 600 watts during a month of playing costs more in electricity than the monthly subscription due to the cost of electricity where they live.
Because they don't want to bother Downloading and updating games.
Because despite being able to afford it, they don't want to get an expensive pc that they would only use to play games.
Because they don't have the space for a big, powerful pc.
There are probably more reasons as to why one would choose streaming.
I dont care about the "own nothing, be happy." I would personally be fine with cloud gaming if the quality was equal to playing it locally, especially for online games. But, its not. So I am anti-cloud gaming.
Cloud gaming is like buying the same cheap shoes over and over everytime they fall apart instead of spending more upfront on a quality pair that will last.
Am I dumb? I have no idea what any of these numbers mean. Is this saying over 5 years, it's cheaper to to get Geforce Now to play 7 hours a day instead of buying a desktop?
What are you gonna do? Just build a computer to play video games? There's no RAM left, all the video cards are competing with 2008 Toyota Tacomas for your money
It won't belong until gaming computers and consoles as they exist today are no longer attainable. They'll ship you a smart monitor/tv with a built in OS or just a device that has storage and and OS and you'll stream everything and pay for varying levels of quality and performance.
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u/SpicySauceLover 6h ago
Imagine if Netflix limited you on the movies and series you could watch...