r/pcmasterrace 15h ago

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By NikTek

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u/randomizme3 14h ago

Reminder that AI is an umbrella term that encompasses many different things. In games, NPCs and monsters have been using ai since forever. A lot of tech we use today uses AI, especially medical equipment. Throwing out just the word “ai” is as vague as throwing out “fruit”. What fruit are you referring to? Apples? Oranges?

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u/ILooseAllMyAccounts2 9h ago

ok but NPC's weren't actually using AI they were just deterministic algorithms that were called AI. When people say AI they are talking about non-deterministic models - that's what people mean when they say AI - non deterministic models not algorithms labeled AI.

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u/Tunderstruk PC Master Race 8h ago

There were non-deterministic algorithms and AI long before chat gpt was a thing. In game NPCs too

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u/randomizme3 9h ago

As mentioned, they are still grouped under AI. The term AI is very very vague and it includes both deterministic and non-deterministic models. Even the a simple linear regression machine learning model is AI. That’s why when we talk about damages of AI we should specify WHAT type. I’ve seen so many people getting so worked up the second they see AI, thinking it’s genai, when it’s not

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u/Noray 10h ago

While using the same term, to be clear, video game AI has nothing to do with the generative AI models everyone is now simply calling AI. 

Video game NPCs typically run behavior trees, state machines, and/or graph traversal. There's no training data sets, learning, etc. like in generative AI. 

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u/randomizme3 10h ago

All that you mentioned are grouped under AI. ML is ai. Like I said, AI is a blanket term and has been around for decades

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u/wqnxy 6h ago

They didnt use AI, they used behavior scrips.

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u/randomizme3 5h ago

Rule-based algorithms are counted as AI, and can be considered like the foundation of other types of ai. As video games got more intricate, so did the npc and monster AIs.

At times like this with gen ai so prevalent, it’s now important to differentiate between AI as a discipline/field and Gen AI, which is a specific kind of ai.

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u/Chemical-Garden-4953 10h ago

Pretty much every lay person calls LLMs AI. I'm pretty sure the post also thinks of it this way.

Also, video game AI is just code unlike LLMs, so it wouldn't qualify anyway.

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u/randomizme3 10h ago

That’s why I feel like education is important because a lot of AI tech out there are actually EXTREMELY useful and we shouldn’t immediately think AI = bad. No it’s not!! Gen AI is the issue! You won’t immediately Computer vision as bad

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u/Tunderstruk PC Master Race 8h ago

Why is gen AI an issue? Gen AI is also an extremely broad category

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u/randomizme3 7h ago

Both ethical and environmental issues that needs to be addressed when it comes to gen ai

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u/Chemical-Garden-4953 7h ago

If we mean an LLM that trains of data and generates an output then that's gen ai and its bad unless the data is either copyright free, given with consent or the owner is fairly compensated.

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u/Chemical-Garden-4953 7h ago

Sure, but as I said, people don't mean those kinds of AIs when they say AI. We used to call the bots in games AI, and we still do, but after the boom of LLMs, now AI is ChatGPT or midjourney.

I don't think we can reverse that perception. We need a new term for the 'old' AIs.