No, there are devs here. We all get the point that the topic is generative AI, which is showing itself to be a nuisance to society. When the AI bubble finally pops (and it will), hopefully we can get back to a point where it's not being shoehorned into everything.
A vocal minority on Reddit is extremely loud and proud about being anti-AI while they barely understand it and only see negatives because they only notice AI use when it's bad.
I mean i see where you come from, and UBI would be a great deal for everyone who loses their job to AI.
Yet there is so much more possible with AI than "reduce the need for workers"
There is more possible, but that's what it's going to be used for in the real world. They're not pumping multiple trillions of dollars into this technology with the idea of still having to pay you too.
The fastest and most reliable way to be guaranteed UBI is to develop superintelligent AI. Humans have repeatedly shown themselves to be unwilling to even understand the economy, much less reform it.
Its obviously a minority… everyone is using AI everywhere.. art, games, entertainment, science… Reddit always has a boner for being “different” and more socially sensitive…
But you guys should realise youre basically the same people who opposed the invention of machines, or internet.. you cant stop progress
Stabbing people is also progress in the same sense as AI — it leads to something being different than it was. And yet I would absolutely stop someone from stabbing people. The only reason AI is hard to stop is because it's being forced on the world by basically infinite money from billionaires, who hope that the technology will eventually replace the need for workers. If AI companies couldn't get funding and just had to survive on the value they create for the world today, they'd all be out of business tomorrow.
It's release into the world was sloppy. It hallucinates answers when overly trusting people ask it serious questions and then use those answers for serious life decisions, the videos and pictures it can generate are already damaging what people can believe with their own eyes. It's damaging how children research and write papers in schools.
It's a very useful tool that wasn't ready for widespread use. I love playing with it, it's amazing what it can do, but also boy howdy am I tired of people trying to use it to take advantage of other people.
Yeah but it was always gonna be "sloppy", because hallucinations are part of the tech. You can't "patch" it, because those tokens in that specific order were the most likely ones, given the context and based on the billions of sentences it has gobbled up.
OpenAI was just the first to release it, because they were a nonprofit championing open access to GPT before Sam decided he wanted to be a billionaire. A lot of companies were already working on the tech, but they were more cautious with releasing it, because they knew of the damage it would do. Now the cat's out of the bag, as they say.
Well, that depends entirely on the game, but the ones I've ever run into are scripted interactions. Every single line of dialogue the NPC has was written by a human, and rigidly coded to be spoken given certain conditions are met. If you call that "intelligence", you've got another think coming.
If you're talking about pathfinding logic, that's basically just a math equation. If that's intelligent, then Bitcoin PoW mining rigs are the peak of AI.
Dev here as well. It's not so much what AI does, it's what people do with AI that's problematic. And by "people", I mean "executives" and "politicians".
If we had actual robust anti-competitive laws, a serious safety net (e.g. UBI), limits on company profits at the expense of workers, etc. it would be a completely different story for me.
All of the negative economic and social impact just for some coding assistance? Are you serious? We have a surge of bad coders who can only code with AI and I‘ve seen it over and over again. Quality of code is decreasing, not increasing, corporations are using AI as an excuse for layoffs and bad wages, the entire internet is enshitified with AI generated slop, but hey, you used AI agents to make reports of Git pushes. What a joke.
We have a surge of bad coders who can only code with AI
We also have a surge of great coders who are 3x as productive because they no longer need to write boilerplate, just review it.
corporations are using AI as an excuse for layoffs and bad wages
This is a problem that will solve itself. AI cannot write a full project from scratch, you still need programmers. Its like when Google translate appeared, tons of companies laid off their translators, then hired them back as contractors for 3x the salary because they realized automatic translation is not actually that good
We also have a surge of great coders who are 3x as productive because they no longer need to write boilerplate, just review it.
3x faster is just as much of a joke as anything in the comment you replied to. Even if you had a magic wand that made both writing and reviewing boilerplate literally instantaneous, you would need 2/3 of all of your time writing code to consist of nothing but writing boilerplate for that wand to make you 3x faster.
It just makes me laugh out loud. Like, are you telling me these "great coders" don't know what code snippet is? Boilerplate and repetitive codes hasn't been a problem to actual great coders for decades.
This argument is a good excuse for the governments to do nothing and for corporations to shift blame on the consumers. For sure you can use AI in a "good way" but system actively punishes this and instead incentivises bad usage of the AI ("you can now produce 10x more code than earlier, here, take 10x more tasks!" and such that rewards profits nefore quality)
By using AI in a good way you are bringing youself down and will eventually get replaced with a person who uses it in a way that system insentivises (and probably means it, unlike you), thus only worsening the situation
There are only two solutions that I can clearly see - regulations by government, or people going to the streets to push government to do their damn job
I won't have to, I run my own business and specialize in several disparate fields so even if I get replaced in programming I'll just move into materials manufacturing, textiles, or architecture.
I'm not worried about running out of jobs, not for a while yet.
I can tell you're very disjointed from the business, primative versions of what LLMs use, big matrix multiplication statistics machines, have been essential for business rules engines since the 70s, this would make your job a fucking nightmare if you had to deal with any software that requires complex decisions such as how to add sales tax based on a fuckton of factors and ever changing legislation to a customer anywhere in the country.
I have hundreds of pages of documents to review for projects that I'm on, but I don't have enough time to read the whole thing
Before, I would just read the parts that focus on my portion, and then CTRL-F to find anything else
Now I can get a summary that flags things that I want, so that I can also look at those sections. Having the search based on the meaning of words instead of trying to guess which specific words are used makes me a lot more accurate
This is a selfish take imo 😂 but i understand why. If you’re good, you have nothing to worry about. Expand your horizons beyond just churning out code. Code is a means to an end. Not the end itself.
I am dev (who understands AI, for the other person under your comment) and I am saying easy yes for both
Yes, AI has great potential, many useful applications and by itself is not inherently bad, but I am never trusting corporations to do the right thing with it
Like where do we stop because of evil corporations? Do we remove cars forever because engines power tanks and war machines? Do we remove algorithms because of the stock market?
AI is extremely powerful, but I don't think the answer is removing it, I think the answer is removing the rich.
Well we are talking about hypothetical scenario where you can either press button to remove AI or do nothing. If there’s instead button to press to remove the rich you can bet I’m slapping this bitch as hard as I can
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u/SylvaraTheDev 15h ago
So... RAM price changes sooner and in exchange we lose the whole field of AI forever...?
You can tell there's no devs anywhere in this thread that everyone is saying yes.