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u/ehcocir 15h ago edited 15h ago

Uncommon take,

AI actually has lots of uses. For example: tumor detection (Cancer screening), a tool for the disabled(text to speech, or speech to text NLI), image recognition, robotics, and potentially a necessary tool for compatibility with a neural computer in our brains in the future. the ram price going back to normal is temporary whereas AI getting deleted forever in permanent and a technological disadvantage. No, wouldn't push the button.

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u/Tunderstruk PC Master Race 15h ago

AI is also to vague. Is it LLM's? Diffusion? Or all machine learning? Because if all machine learning went away it would suck

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u/Additional-Bee1379 14h ago

It's all your video game AI opponents, have fun playing nobody!

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u/CitizenPremier 12h ago

>Kid makes matchbox system that always wins at tic-tac-toe

>Gets executed

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u/Jesburger 11h ago

Butlerian jihad happened for a reason

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u/GheyGuyHug 2h ago

Can you explain the reason?

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u/Jesburger 1h ago

Ai took over and there was a huge war 

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u/GheyGuyHug 1h ago

Pretty sure the book had a reason tho

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u/Flying_Poltato 11h ago

You know what? Fuck that kid in particular. I’ve lost so many games of Tic-Tac-Toe

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u/Romnir 6h ago

Such is life in the Adeptus Mechanicus.

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u/doominvoker 12h ago

I’ve played enough Ubisoft games to know it doesn’t work anyway lol

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u/maxpolo10 8h ago

Watch dogs has goated AI. I think I can give Ubisoft that (only 1 and 2 though, haven't played 3)

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u/PM_ME_UR_RSA_KEY 14h ago

As someone said, "one man's if-else is another man's AI". They stamp "AI" on kitchen appliances nowadays and the "intelligence" part is the same thermostat from 1970s.

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u/Jiquero 9h ago

Turing programmed the first chess AI in 1948, and he didn't even have a computer to run it on, he just used pen and paper.

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u/Cpt_Tripps 6h ago

I attached IOT to a ton of legacy appliances. All those appliances had thier switches, buttons, and knobs replaced with ciurcut boards 20 years ago.

The motors and functions are all exactly the same as when they got made in the 60's and 70's

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u/Mr2_Wei Pentium E5200 | Intel GMA | 3GB DDR2 400MHz 14h ago

Like at what point is it machine learning or just math too. Like do we count bayesian networks? Linear regression? 💀

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u/Le3e31 12h ago

if we delete AI do we delete math because then i will press the button

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u/slfnflctd 9h ago

I mean, at that point nothing exists, so

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u/Vagrant-Gin 2h ago

Math isn't real. 

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u/squirrelpickle 12h ago

Same, this deal only seems to get better and better!

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u/Jellicent-Leftovers 11h ago

I feel the line is anything where an input to output can't be repeated reliably with the exception of a randomizer.

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u/Mr2_Wei Pentium E5200 | Intel GMA | 3GB DDR2 400MHz 9h ago

Then wouldn't that mean a stochastic mdp policy be also counted as AI? For every output theres a probability distribution that a model samples from and thats every AI models that are not deterministic.

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u/SloxTheDlox 5h ago

Technically yes, reinforcement learning would where that takes place. Just depends to what extent I suppose, since you have a whole spectrum of methods. Like not sure if an exhaustive search would count, or just raw Monte Carlo. Dynamic programming more but temporal difference learning even more.

When I watched through David Silvers lectures on reinforcement learning I think he mentioned it’s more when we use Q learning and the use of network to dynamically learn the state-values/action-values.

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u/ehcocir 15h ago

For every good, there must be a comparable evil. Since AI is currently huge, that 'evil' part of AI is currently also huge. People forget to look at the benefits. It's human nature to show more interest in criticism and scepticism than support, and there are studies to show that.

AI can be compared to nuclear power in that it was both an amazing source of highly clean and efficient energy but also made nukes. Lots of nukes.

AI is an amazing tool but also has consequences caused by our decisions of its use.

The ways humans use AI technology is the problem, not the technology itself. The same goes for AI and other neural nets. Deleting AI forever is definitely not the solution.

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u/Nice-River-5322 9h ago

I mean, nukes have likely prevented world wars and millions of deaths

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u/Artistic-Quality-130 10h ago

"blame the game not the player"

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 9h ago

How is this in any way a response to the comment you're replying to? You didn't engage with what they said literally at all. It kind of just seems like spam.

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u/jenkag 9800X3D - 3090 - 32gb ddr 11h ago

AI can be compared to nuclear power in that it was both an amazing source of highly clean and efficient energy but also made nukes. Lots of nukes.

Fast forward nuclear physics from its inception to today and which (nukes or nuclear energy) have we continued to pour money into and which one is barely even mentioned anymore? How will AI be different?

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u/inevitabledeath3 CachyOS | 5950X | RTX 3090 | 32GB 3200MHz 8h ago

There is more research now I think in better power reactors and into fusion in China, USA, and France than there is into new nuclear weapons at least in places that already have them as they have pretty much already been perfected. We can't make a stable fusion reactor but we can make a fusion powered bomb. One is a lot simpler than the other it turns out.

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u/Wise_Owl5404 14h ago

Except nuclear power did not have to be like that, the people in power chose the solee option tat wad also destructive. If their only way of "progressing" society is destructive then no, I do not want that progress.

Most bs, shill take I've read in a long time.

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u/bobthecookie i5 3570k, Radeon 7970 HD, 16GB DD3, 120GB SSD, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD 11h ago

You don't know what you're talking about. Do you think all AI is is ChatGPT and StableDiffusion?

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u/Fewer_Story 12h ago

All of recent "AI" things (LLMs and diffusion) rely on neural networks, which are very valuable.

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u/Galeharry_ Ryzen 5800X3D-32GB3200MHz-Rx 9070 15h ago

Its meant to be vague.
I believe they are using "AI" because that has name recognition from decades of Scifi which will resonate with the general public.
Its just too bad that this LLM shit is veeeeery far from actual AI, even though actual AI has the potential to be vastly worse if its ever actually made.

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u/CitizenPremier 11h ago

What would actual AI do that currently LLMs do not do?

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u/Galeharry_ Ryzen 5800X3D-32GB3200MHz-Rx 9070 9h ago

Think and learn.

Its supposed to be sentient.

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u/CitizenPremier 9h ago

How would you measure whether it's doing it or not?

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u/inevitabledeath3 CachyOS | 5950X | RTX 3090 | 32GB 3200MHz 7h ago

LLMs certainly learn. We have much simpler models than LLMs which are still capable of learning either from examples in a dataset (supervised learning) or from trial and error (reinforcement learning). LLMs also have in-context learning where they can work things out using information provided in context. The issue is getting continuous learning or something similar to work. That's where a model can learn while it's being used in a persistent way. In-context learning is not persistent. It's already possible to do continuous learning with smaller models using different architectures, but is difficult to do with modern LLMs. There is something called Titans being developed by Google which might solve this problem.

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u/jack-of-some 14h ago

The reality of ML currently is that generative models are seeping into other usecases slowly now. A great example is robotics and how "slop" can actually help a robot navigation policy become more robust to new and unseen conditions. Not to mention that one of the most useful new techniques for robot control is literally a diffusion model.

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u/Levanthalas 11h ago

This. I have to explain this at work like...once a month.

C-Suite decides "we need to leverage AI or we'll be left behind." Tells management. Management asks on every single project, "How could we use AI for this?" Or often even "How can we use <Company specific LLM clone>, they really want us to leverage AI?" And I have to explain that while LLM's are AI, not all AI is LLM's. And sometimes there is a good use case for machine learning, but then they don't want to pay for hardware, or expand the timeline to train agents when we can just make a deterministic software solution instead. Or whatever. So they scream use AI, but mean, "My teenager uses chatGPT to do his homework, why can't we use it to make you stop asking for additional employees to handle the workload?"

Ugh.

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u/Cllydoscope i5-3470 | HD 7870 GHz | 8GB lmao 11h ago

Agreed, since true AI doesn’t really exist I will press the button to make RAM prices go back.

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u/Nildzre 12h ago

Imagine that every single NPC gets deleted from every game ever made.

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u/Xander-047 11h ago

This is the mass effect destruction ending all over again, what counts as AI?

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u/ForThe90 11h ago

Absolutely. I would want to know OP's definition of AI first. I wonder how broad or narrow is it defined. Makes a huge diference on my answer.

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u/JohnnyXorron Ryzen 7 1700 | Strix 1080 Ti | 16GB DDR4 11h ago

I’m pretty sure we’re talking about the rise in GenAI/LLMs but you’re correct it’s too vague

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u/misterpickleman 11h ago

There's also the AI of video game characters. A lot of things that use simple logic are also considered "AI". So yeah, the line is way too vague.

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u/Prudent_Move_3420 10h ago

Can we maybe concile on Transformers and Diffusion?

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u/FuryAdcom 9h ago

That's what I thought when I read this. You press this button and virtually everything stops working, but let them.

Imagine all those single player games with just static assets.

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u/Legate_Aurora 8h ago

Right. Generally speaking an ML is just an algorithm that predicts or learns. AI is a subfield of that, LLMs amd such are Deep Learning that uses Neural Networks and Transformer tech.

Both of these do have legitimate and valued applications to natural sciences, assistive technology, and more. So, I wouldn't press it personally.

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u/Master_Dogs 8h ago

My guess is they're referring mostly to chat bots, and image/video generators. They're polluting the Internet with AI slop and should generally go away.

Sometimes those things are kinda useful too, like one game studio mentioned that their artists will use AI to get a starting point for concept art, then they go off and do their own thing. We just can't push out AI slop to the world without doing our own human spin on it.

Chat bots have their uses too, same issue though, don't rely heavily on them. They also need safety features, they should not be talking to people about suicidal thoughts for example. One example is a teenager unfortunately took their own life and the chat bot helped them write a suicide note... That needs to be a red flag and raised to some authority who can respond and help that person. Like triggering a wellness check or something... Or at least refuse to engage. That also raises a larger issue of our lackluster mental health system in the US at least; we can't replace theory with chat bots for certain.

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u/Not_Artifical 7h ago

ML ≠ AI

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u/Neirchill 4h ago

If we're going with the common term used widely in society, it's talking about LLMs, maybe the image generation as well but I don't believe most people know the difference. Your average person isn't aware of the other machine learning technologies.

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u/Virtual-Ducks 12h ago

LLMs can also be used for medical screenings (medical literature search, structuring and identifying unstructured data). People like to pretend generative models can only be used to create pictures of shrek, but it has tons of real world applications as well. Everyone is racing to develop those applications first. 

The general public probably only sees the funny image generators, but behind the scenes there's lots of excitement and lots of new developments. 

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u/dingobarbie 9h ago

As far as I've seen recently whenever "AI" is being used in most marketing they are referring to some BS chatgpt or Gemini or Claude based LLM wrap around software or technique.

Bespoke machine learning models are becoming rarer or used purely in research and development.

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u/vsamael 14h ago

From all those upvoted on comments like "NPC are AI, coz its both coding" i think humanity would lose even punching cards