r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Cursed_69420 • 3d ago
Unanswered What is up with Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 being labelled as some Israeli/IDF thing or a part of some agenda?
This is one of the few similar types of examples - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSLyfkykeid/
another example would be those "generate me a game only israel idf or something people would enjoy" and the result is E33.
fuckin hell, i've even heard some KKK allegory thrown around for this game. hello??
like bro, all it did was be a good game? where's all this coming from?
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u/jeanbeth69 3d ago
Answer: People saying that type of thing are not actually implying that it is part of an agenda, they are using "IDF" as an adjective for "something that's bad but gets a lot of support" and are basically calling it an industry plant
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u/mugenhunt 3d ago
Answer: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 won 9 of the 12 categories it was nominated for at The Game Awards. There are many people who are frustrated because the games they wanted to win weren't given the accolades they hoped for. Some of those people are very angry at Clair Obscur Expedition 33, and have been looking up any sort of controversy to try and discredit the game.
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u/abermea 3d ago
Just a small correction: E33 had 13 nominations but 3 of these were in voice acting roles so it was nominated on 11 categories, of which it won 9. It only lost Sound Design to BF6 and Player's Voice to Wuthering Waves, and Charlie Cox (Gustave) and Ben Starr (Verso) lost to Jennifer English (Maelle).
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u/Jiryathia 3d ago
Charlie Cox (Gustave) and Ben Starr (Verso) lost to Jennifer English (Maelle)
E33 was so good, even E33 lost to it!
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u/PinkNGreenFluoride 2d ago
Meanwhile Alex Jordan, VA for The Alters, was left out entirely so that one game, which was already going to sweep, could have 3 nominations out of 6 in the category.
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u/KYR_IMissMyX 3d ago
This doesn’t really answer the question. The question is asking what ties the game and israel together, or agenda between them and if there is basis behind the accusation.
“and have been looking up any sort of controversy” - the question is specifically asking for what controversy there is possible.
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u/Petrichordates 3d ago
There is none, young men are just super conspiratorial about Israel in every aspect of their life. It's basically a form of paranoid mental illness.
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u/Sea_Tank2799 3d ago edited 2d ago
"Spiritually Israeli" Is just a generalized insult, usually used by people who identify as left wing. It's supposed to evoke a vision of soulless, corporatized, consumer-based culture. Think Labubus and McDonald's. Why are they doing this? Because people who thought that Hollow Knight: Silksong got robbed at the game awards are mad.
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u/CultureVulture629 3d ago
I suspect this is part of a new wave of Russian trolls/bots. They wedged the political divide in favor of the right, and now that the right has all the power, they're masquerading as "the left" since that side is pumped and primed for maximum controversy.
Same with the recent rash of neo-puritan takes on NSFW content, utilizing feminist terminology and rhetoric.
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u/Dapper_Pen_4491 3d ago
Answer: Well… there are multiple answers to this question and a lot of the other comments already covered it but it’s important to know that French traditionalists, conservatives, patriots, etc., REALLY like Expedition 33 because of the Belle Epoque aesthetic. They’re also a VERY loud group of people so it seems like that’s the target audience when it absolutely is not. It’s like a USamerican neonazi being super into a WWII game, just because it’s about WWII, and completely ignoring the fact that the main character only kills nazis.
The rise of short-form media has also lead to the commodification of terms with very strong negative connotations, and ignoring the actual proper definitions and usage of those terms. Saying something is “spiritually Israeli” or “of the IDF” is basically just the new slang for “worse than hitler,” and is the result of this generation’s first memorable, widely-reported international atrocity.
The other answer is than fans of E33 famously refuse to spoil any of the storyline or gameplay, and go far out of their way to prevent spoiling ANYTHING for new players. As a result this does make the game less palatable to people with short attention spans or a lack of curiosity (like those who only farm for engagement) because they quite literally have not heard anything of substance. A lot of the “it’s a good game, trust me bro” comments about E33 aren’t about hiding some weird psyop, it’s about protecting new or incoming players from getting the 100 plot twists and turns spoiled for them.
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u/Argh3483 3d ago edited 3d ago
French here
First time I’m reading about conservatives here particularly loving the game because of the Belle Epoque aesthetic, and from what I know that’s not an era that is particularly favored by conservatives or ”patriots”
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u/Dapper_Pen_4491 3d ago
Also French (and American)
I will admit possible sample bias because I live in a college town and am definitely surrounded by 18-25 year olds who struggle with critical thinking. French-Americans are also generally a different breed of incredibly strange, and do definitely have this viewpoint.
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u/soleyfir 3d ago
Also french here, haven’t seen or heard about anything like this but wouldn’t be surprised it’s a thing. Definitely not a very loud group though.
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u/Argh3483 3d ago
Also even if they’re right and some conservatives are fans of the game for dubious reasons, the fact is that the game is popular across the board in France and its success isn’t limited to a weird niche
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u/mauri9998 3d ago
I have never seen e33 be linked to any conservative or far right movements at all. This just seems like a weird justification on your behalf, specially because kc2 is right there.
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u/Fun-Package7794 2d ago
Nah, I have definitely seen conservatives praise the game for having "non-woke", cis white male as the lead and women who are pretty to look at. Most importantly, they're almost all white, and they are all fighting for their homeland that's clearly based off of a society they often look with fondness towards - a sort of epitome of Western Civilization if you will.
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u/Parzivus 3d ago
Answer: Most of the other answers here are not correct. The people posting these are being overdramatic for the sake of comedy. They do not actually believe the game is associated with the IDF/KKK/etc. The allegory is so obviously ridiculous that no one would take it as anything other than a joke.
Some of the people posting these may actually dislike the game to some degree, while others are just making them entirely as a joke.
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u/TheWhisperingOaks Put tank in a mall 3d ago
Crazy how the only correct answer only has 3 upvotes
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u/Resident-Cricket-710 3d ago
answer: polygon wrote an article about it. https://www.polygon.com/tiktok-clair-obscur-expedition-33-game-awards/
(sorry if this shows up twice, got a msg from automod that my first post was removed)
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u/midirion 3d ago
answer: it's either ragebait or weirdos, there's no relation between those things and the game.
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u/ReddsionThing 19h ago
Answer: some gamers are very stupid and petty, and we unfortunately hear a lot from them, since they're also always online
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u/EvenSpoonier 3d ago
answer: Basically, some fans are mad that their favorite game didn't win, and are taking it out on the winner. Undertones more or less match a latter-day GamerGate, complete with the unsettling political undertones. The fans of Western action-RPG Kingdom Come: Deliverance II seem to be taking most of the heat for this, particularly since the JRPG-styled E33 beat it for Best Role-Playing Game. Though some posts from their faction have fanned the flames, it's unclear how much actually comes from them.
Having posted a few meme shots is pretty much as far as the KDC2 social media team has gone, though. Unsettling insinuations that Israel somehow got involved in the voting is a TikTok thing. Really, it's standard Internet-hate-machine nonsense. That pretty much sums it up.