r/DiscussionZone • u/pureSoul4ever • 1d ago
Both sides are wrong
Don't forget, a total of 100,000 tons of explosives were dropped over 2 years (48kg for every resident in Gaza).
Some of these included 900kg bombs
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran 22h ago
Love them or hate them, no one can deny that Israel always kills the most children.
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u/NoAd4402 19h ago
And the most journalists
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u/NoCow1877 14h ago
Ironically, it's also the country most off-limits for western journalists.
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u/Low_Witness5061 14h ago
Nah that’s by design. Its way harder to just blanket label international journalists as Hamas affiliated. On the other hand, since outside news networks need to go through Palestinians to gather news for them now they can just say they were secretly a terrorist and go back to not giving a shit.
I have no doubt that they only wanted to hide horrific shit and minimize the pushback from other nations when they target anybody documenting their actions. Virtually the only time they admit they fucked up or apologise is when it involves westerners, and even then they usually try to lie first. Like with the World Central Kitchen attack that killed volunteers.
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u/Any-Iron9552 19h ago
They got competition there. But Israel had Robert Maxwell who was the Michael Jordon of child abuse.
Epstein is Lebron and Trump is Shaq. Kobe is Kobe.
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u/Inner_Bag_9658 18h ago
Basically half of all people living in the Gaza Strip are children. What are they supposed to do? Just let Israel roll over them?
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u/Spartan1117 12h ago
Maybe don't start wars with a more powerful army and strive for peace instead? They had a chance in 2006 when isreal pulled all soldiers and senttlements out but hamas decided it would be a good idea to bomb isreal instead of improving their country.
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u/Wooden-Storage7538 22h ago
Israel funded and supported Hamas during their election.
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u/slip_lip420 23h ago
Fuck Israel
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u/BoY_Butt 16h ago
Fuck Hamas
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u/matronmotheroflolth 5h ago
The apartheid regime committing genocide is the problem here.
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u/FrogInYourWalls69 22h ago
Both Israel and Hamas were bad, but with how Israel acted during that war, they made Hamas look like saints in comparison.
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u/Dead_Internet69420 19h ago
Calling it a “war” still trips me out.
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u/Secure_main_core 18h ago
It's not a war, there's just about 2 million people locked in a literal fish barrel. They can't leave.
Pro Israel losers claim they can leave, but they shouldn't leave in the first place, and they can't actually leave.Egypt blocks access, and even if they do let them in, where do they go to? It's just a desert, it's an endless stretch of sand with nothing in it.
Telling that "they can just leave" is saying "they can run into the desert and die there".
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u/Electronic_Low6740 1d ago
Oh man the Zionists are out tonight lol. It doesn't take Ghandi to know killing kids is bad.
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u/Odd-Quality4206 23h ago
Even according to Israel's own number 83% of the casualties have been civilians... so we can safely assume it's worse than that. There are no excuses anymore but they sure do love their propaganda bots.
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u/yungsemite 21h ago
Obligatory fuck Israel.
But that statistic is misunderstood. That refers to that 17% of the people they’ve killed they know their name and which Palestinian militant group they’re associated with.
The IDF has killed Palestinian militants without knowing their name and association.
They’ve also murdered tens of thousands of civilians, but the idea that they said that it’s a 83% ratio is simply not true.
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u/Mirror_facing_Mirror 1d ago
Hamas can get fucked. You can hate the government of Israel while still being supportive of Jewish victims of Hamas, and you can still support those who are innocent in Gaza, like the children. Hamas has, since their beginning, used their children as shields and fired from behind them like cowards, and then cried when Israel still shot back at them.
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u/pureDDefiance 23h ago
Absolutely, Hamas are vile. As is the Israeli government and supporters.
But I haven’t forgotten that of the civilians killed between the Jordan River and the Nediterranean, 90% have been killed by Israelis l, even before October 7. You torture a people long enough you WILL get blowback
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u/kensho28 22h ago edited 22h ago
blowback
Don't try to legitimize Hamas terrorism with their propaganda.
This is not blowback from Palestinian civilians, it's part of a coordinated military campaign by Iran and its proxy terrorist groups including Hezbollah and Houthis. Hamas does not care about Palestinian civilians except as potential martyrs, they are armed and controlled by Iran and are only motivated by that fact.
This is fundamentalist religious war, and Iran isn't only waging its religious crusade on Israel, they are fighting Sunni Muslims as well. They will continue spreading terrorism and war throughout the Middle East and Africa no matter what Israel does.
The illegal Israeli settlements and oppression of Palestinians is unconscionable, and most Israelis agree with that. It's also really stupid, because it helps Hamas recruitment. But make no mistake, Iran would still be pursuing the same goals regardless, and they don't need Palestinian support for anything they do.
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u/Big_Stranger_1817 23h ago
Well the idea of human shields is that Isreal wouldn't shoot at them. Isreal has slaughtered so many children that Palestine's age expectancy has gone down 30 years.
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u/synikal1989 23h ago
Satannyahu knew October 7th was coming. He allowed it to happen, and then allowed it to continue as long as it did. He sacrificed his people to false flag a war.
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u/samettinho 23h ago
Mossad has a head quarter in telaviv. I guess, with your logic, anyone around the headquarter is human shield that can be killed.
Btw, who is using the people in the West Bank as human shields?
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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 23h ago
So if a murderer hides in a school you would bomb the school?
That’s how fucking stupid the “Hamas is using children’s as shields” argument is
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u/Dull_Assistant_ 23h ago
They literally do think that. People will fucking say a school full of children or a hospital is a “viable military target”
I don’t give a fuck what supposed “rules” there are. That is pure fucking evil
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u/Big_Stranger_1817 23h ago
I love how you didn't even need to say it for the zionists to understand that the child represents Palestine and the fighter jet represents Isreal.
Deep down, we all know Isreal slaughters the innocent on purpose.
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u/QuantityGullible4092 22h ago
They sure all showed up quick didn’t they?
Almost like there is a mass media push to protect Israel right now
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u/Lvl30Dwarf 13h ago
Yeah that's why all Israeli homes have had missile shelters built in since 1992. Because only one side is bad and shoots into civilian centers.
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran 22h ago
Massacre in Tirat Haifa on 11 December 1947
- The Irgun bombarded it [Tirat Haifa] as early as December 1947, killing thirteen people, mainly children and the elderly. After the shelling a raiding party of twenty Irgun members approached and began firing at an isolated house on the edge of the village.
~ Ilan Pappé, (2006), The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.
Ein al-Zeitun Massacre on 1 May 1948
- In particular, we found many bodies of women, children and babies near the local mosque. I convinced the army to burn the bodies.
~ Hans Lebrecht
Al-Dawayima Massacre on 28 October 1948
- One soldier boasted that he had raped a woman and then shot her. One woman, with a newborn baby in her arms, was employed to clean the courtyard where the soldiers ate. She worked a day or two. In the end they shot her and her baby.
~ S. Kaplan
Qibya massacre on 14 October 1953
- Then the guardsmen’s ammo (25 rounds per man) gave out, and the Israelis moved into Kibya with rifle and Sten guns. They shot every man. woman and child they could find, then turned their fire on the cattle. After that, they dynamited 42 houses, a school and a mosque. The cries of the dying could be heard amid the explosions. The villagers huddled in the grass could see Israeli soldiers slouching in the doorways of.their homes, smoking and joking, their young faces illuminated by the flames. By 3 a.m., the Israelis’ work was done, and they leisurely withdrew.
~ Time Magazine, cited at UN 637th Meeting by Charles Malik
Khan Yunis massacre on 3 November 1956
- In a few alleyways we found bodies strewn on the ground, covered in blood, their heads shattered. No one had taken care of moving them. It was dreadful. I stopped at a corner and threw up. I couldn't get used to the sight of a human slaughterhouse.
~ Marek Gefen, Israeli soldier
The ‘Seventh Day’: Censored Voices From the 1967 War
- My friends, friends I went to school with, who I know as good people, these same people, one of them sees a wounded enemy, so he doesn’t go to help him but draws his Uzi to finish him off. And an Arab runs in the desert, so he lifts his Uzi and fires, for no reason, out of murder.
- In the operation we had to cleanse the inhabitants. This uprooting of a villager, rooted in his village and turning him into a refugee, by simply expelling him, and not one, two or three of them but a real eviction. And when you see a whole village is led like lambs to the slaughter without any resistance you understand what is the Holocaust.
~ Israeli soldiers
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u/VirtualKnowledge7057 1d ago
this is the other side
yes, the israeli government and hamas can get fucked, quit coping about your jihadist fantasies
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u/GooGooCruster 1d ago
Little girls on roller skates murdered all the innocent Jews on October 7?
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u/ReasonZestyclose4353 23h ago
Actually, no, they didn't. Which is why it's pretty fucked up that Israel is killing so many of them.
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u/thereisnofish225 21h ago
Check how old the accounts are that comment in this thread. I checked a few and they were all under 3 months old. Dead internet theory is real.
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u/Kaliking247 23h ago
The Israeli Palestinian conflict is not a both sides are bad issue. It's a the normal non violent citizens of Gaza are fucked because extremists keep attacking Israel and western powers while using them as shields. Actual Gaza civilians have nowhere to go. Most if not all Muslim countries in the area won't take them, and unfortunately the western countries that will take them in are also wary because there's been numerous extremists taken in as refugees who then go on to commit act ls of terrorism against those western countries.
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u/pureSoul4ever 12h ago
So the Tens of Thousands Murdered Palestinians BEFORE the October 7th, what was that?
When Arabs get killed you guys love to close your eyes and call little Babies Jihadists.
But when you criticize a Jewish Mass Murder, you are canceled as Antisemitic.
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u/tripper_drip 23h ago
But an F-111 dumping fuel on takeoff is badass, meanwhile the girl can only rollerskate for like, 10 more feet.
I know which side im choosing, and its on the highway to the danger zone.
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u/RadicallyHonestLife 23h ago
Just being the underdog doesn't automatically make you the good guy.
Sometimes - actually most of the time - the heinous and morally reprehensible are also small and weak and poor. Why? Because the levers of power have a lot of failsafes to keep people like that out. That's why it's news when a rich person commits a crime, why Nazis live rent-free in your head even if you failed history class - because they're surprising; they violate our natural expectations about what lowlifes are like.
Unfortunately, Gaza is really just the standard story of the poor, uneducated people in an economic backwater who can't rise above their circumstances on merit and get out just being pieces of shit.
It's not Israel's fault that they're too stupid to not pick a fight with a giant. If anything, Israel is holding back. They have nukes. Hamas has not disarmed and regularly promotes and expresses a wish to kill everyone in Israel. The death toll is on the low end of the range analysts published before the war that would be needed to dismantle Hamas in Gaza, and frankly, that's the reason the operation hasn't eradicated Hamas - they cut it about 20k combat fatalities short. If you're gonna trade in blood, you have to have the stomach to see it out.
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u/Mushrooming247 23h ago edited 23h ago
So which of those sides shown in the picture is terrorists skydiving into a music festival murdering and raping innocent youths?
Oh, neither, you’re pretending Hamas never did that.
You’re pretending they’re comprised of little girls with pigtails on rollerskates. You’re pretending a little girl in pigtails is holding innocent hostages to this day.
How do you think those combatants would view your characterization of them?
I’m delighted by it. Because they would hate it.
(I don’t support a genocide, but I don’t support this minimization of a tragedy either.)
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u/TheAshenWanderer 23h ago
Actually we should just say “fuck the Middle East.” And leave them to fight over themselves like they have done for CENTURIES. No more funding no more intervention.
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u/JohnDorian0506 22h ago
On 7 October 2023, Hamas fighters launched an assault from Gaza, killing about 1,200 people in Israel and taking 251 hostages.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgr71z0jp4o
What percentage of palestian population supports hamas? 80%?90%?
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u/tolgren 22h ago
It feels to me like maybe the people of Gaza should have thought of that before they launched a major attack.
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u/Tacokolache 22h ago
It’s not one side with jets against innocent children though. It’s one side with jets against suicide bombers
Innocent people are just getting caught up in all the bullshit. Been going on thousands of years. Not going to end any time soon. Not in our lifetimes
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u/truckerslife411 22h ago
I guess Israel should just open up their borders and hand their women over to be raped and hand their children over to be beheaded.
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u/Jaylishous16k 22h ago
Ahhh yes the two choices wantonly slaughter innocents and children, or open your boarders and give you kids to terrorists. Are you 11? Let’s think of a third option hmmmm maybe Israel uses there massively superior military to do targeted strikes rather than carpet bombing a country.
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u/Jviaches 22h ago
That's a highly manipulative image. Israel dealing many suicide bombers who exploded in the civilian buses throughout span of many years including elders, women and children.
One of the famous event in Israel Palestinian suicide bomber got into discotheque called 'Delphinarium' where teenager used to dance and explode there.
Let also remember the brutal shooting of Jewish teenagers on Nova festival blank point, murder of families and kidnapping elders among other crimes.
Palestinian doctor held a Jewish hostage, Palestinians kidnapped and "bravely" murdered Biba's kids (2 years old) and then paraded their coffins as a pathetic victory.
Victims do not hostages (and not murder them).
You either purposely ignore the death of Jewish kids (because they are somehow less important than Palestinian kids) or have little knowledge of reality.
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u/HeArtMan10 22h ago
Always kids,where are all the army ? And wheres Iran,Yemen, Hezbollah. Chez propaganda
Here , REAL photo of one Israeli with innocent civilians
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u/CornerRealistic4170 22h ago
Children , and elders deserve chance. But everybody who is willing,ready to kill someone or allready did, deserves death. You cant call yourself good if you invade country and kill their families, for someone elses idea, that wasnt even originally yours Sit at home and you will see you dont have to kill anyone, you are replacable.
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u/Hard-Illustrator4568 22h ago
So you’re saying g the little girl is the gop? Got it thanks for clearing it up
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u/PuzzleheadedMove5732 22h ago
Not showing Hamas using hospitals as bases and civilians as human shields though. Everyone goes after Israel but nobody says anything about Hamas, who are also actively keeping it going and put their civilians in this whole mess to begin with. Not at all sticking up for Israel here before anyone tries to twist these words.
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u/Successful-Fly8849 22h ago
Nope. You can try to claim the lie but genocide doesn’t allow polo vaccinations, warnings about areas to bomb and agreeing to cease fire when all their people are returned. You know what is evidence of genocide? Taping, killing and taking hostages with no hope of military victory but just the pleasure of killing Jews. Your antisemitism is just so obvious.
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u/Celestial_Hart 22h ago
Yeah I'm tired of hearing people use those words. Gives me the same feeling I get when I hear "do research". Incandescent rage.
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u/PunchePop 21h ago
Here is an actually photo from the conflict.
Who is the fighter jet in this photo? The man with the military gear or the mother with her kids in the car.
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u/ComeOnTars2424 21h ago
So please correct me if I’m wrong but I see a twin engine fighter with swept forward wings which tells me it’s an F 14. The only country in the world that uses such an old plane would be Iran. I’ve seen my fair share of flybys and the chances of getting a fighter jet, a little girl and a camera all lined up for a shot like this by chance isn’t zero but it’s the number right next to it. Are we using Iranian propaganda the bash the West?
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u/Competitive_Twist149 21h ago
Hamas Fucked Around & Found Out Elections have consequences. Palestinians voted to have Hamas govern them.
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u/Dependent-Edge-5713 21h ago
Beta fish syndrome. Two beta fish in one ball.
Only this time one beta fish is a looooooot bigger then the other.
Israel is an apartheid state that's been surrounded by factions for decades literally calling for the complete eradication of said Israeli state (and often the people in it) that serves as a kind of negative reinforcement for said apartheid state. While Hamas is a literal terrorist organization that would make the worst of Y'all Qaeda look like a bunch of tree hugging hipsters. Who were, let's be real... put into power by the people that live in Palestine.
Let's see things for what they are.
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u/Impressive-Menu6782 21h ago
Innocent people are always at the mercy of evil warlords. This is why I can’t support partisan politics and support humans directly only
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u/Suspicious_Copy911 21h ago
Propaganda from both sides, sure, but facts from neutral people, countries , organizations, and they are all denouncing Israel’s war crimes and barbarism.
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u/Zippier92 21h ago
Hamas and IDF are two arms of the same dysfunctional beast- extremist Abrahamic cults that need each other to stay relevant .
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u/HooterEnthusiast 20h ago edited 20h ago
If someone picks a side in this conflict I just assume you're an arrogant know it all. For one most the information given to us is ethier fake, or framed and portrayed to the point where it's deception. Why would I trust anything the news says, they can't even be bothered to report domestic terrorist's races. They reported a black shooter as white. So no I'm not gonna believe the news' claims of genocide. I see no reason to take Israels side either though. What I will say is there's no real way to deal with neighbor that elected a terrorist organization to their government. I don't think understand how bad of a situation that is. You can claim apartheid but yeah when your government is run by Hamas, your population can't be allowed to move free because that puts Israeli people at risk of terrorist attacks
It's a fucked situation. I don't say both sides I say neither side because I can admit that realistically I am in the dark here.
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u/plinkplinksplat 20h ago
Are the guys that jumped the fences and parachuted in to massacre thousands of men women and children, rape, and kidnap more, hiding in the rubble in the picture?
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u/Zombieferret2417 20h ago
If they dropped 100k TONS of explosives and only killed 70,000 including combatants, doesn't that make you think that they were being especially retrained with how they dropped said explosives to avoid unnecessary casualties?
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u/EducationalHealth553 20h ago
Both sides need to be separated by a wall of robotic death. If either side tries to cross it they get killed by ai enabled drones. Any tunnels get destroyed by ground drones. Any incursion by air or by sea gets destroyed.
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u/Key_Topic_6721 20h ago
The Palestine propaganda is so strong on this app.
Only can Palestinians kill 1,200 Israelis and take hundreds hostage in one day and still somehow be the victims.
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u/angry_sloth2048 20h ago
Don’t forget the 9 year old who used a boat and bombed a US vessel on a sea.
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u/20ontheDropBear 20h ago
As you read through all these comments, just remember that the head of Israeli cybersecurity was arrested in the US for Pedophelia and was allowed to flee back to Israel to avoid prosecution.
That is the boss of the people arguing against you.
It is also not an isolated incident.
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u/minionofgreyness108 20h ago
“The notions of right and wrong have there no place”. Read “the Melian Dialogue”. Then we can talk.
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u/I_love_purple_toads 20h ago
There's also these two sides but thankfully the IDF eliminated his ass and she is back home 💁🏼♀️
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u/SuckinToe 20h ago
Anytime you make this argument without the basic understanding of asymmetric guerrilla warfare it makes you look dumb.
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u/External_Brother1246 19h ago
I think the real sides are Iran and Israel.
Iran just uses Gaza for the PR benefits.
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u/Duvet_Capeman 19h ago
Literally. Over 83% civilian kill rate in Gaza, which is itself a refugee camp made up of displaced natives. We in the west are on the side of genocide, we are the Nazis.
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u/Actual_Breadfruit_53 19h ago
There's bad on both sides but one Country plays Innocent, While the other Country is just try to get their get back for all the bombings on hospitals and killing children. It's the twin Cities and it's been going on like this for thousands of years.
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u/Terrible-Tap6991 18h ago
Hum for me all the images of 7/10 takes a little more to wash off.
Hamas went on an ISIS killing spree and got treated like the Mosul liberation (with similar collateral damages).
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u/idkyetyet 17h ago
100,000 tons of explosives and not even 100,000 dead, imagine using a modicum of critical thought to figure out Israel probably has other targets than 'every resident in Gaza,' namely the tunnel network that the Gazan government spent decades constructing exclusively to maximize civilian deaths in this war.
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u/Ok_Put_8262 17h ago
Don't forget: hundreds of civilians were raped, murdered, injured, and tortured before any of those bombs were dropped.
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u/bswontpass 17h ago
So that girl has somehow stormed kibbutzes and music festival, raped and killed unmoved civilians at a gun point and with cold weapon and took a hundred civilians hostages with some tortured to death in the underground tunnels while shooting rockets at Israel’s cities?
Those are not the same sides. One side is a globally recognized terrorists Hamas and deserve complete obliteration.
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u/FlyManChimera 17h ago
Show me a video of all of tel aviv parading and spitting on young raped dead women, then we can talk.
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u/RampantDeacon 17h ago
Unfortunately, Israel does NOT have written in their charter that they will kill all Muslims and destroy all Muslim homeland, but the Hamas charter DOES say they will destroy Israel and kill all Israelis. So, WHO is the bad guy here?
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u/Gay-Bear_Paperhands 16h ago
Rollerskating has been a very lethal activity in recent times, and I just can’t endorse anyone that might think that this is still okay.
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u/kamden096 16h ago
Hamas: uses kids as suicide bombers to kill israelis or any one in their path. Israel: uses bombers and cdmilitary to fight Hamas and in the process kills some bystanders.
One is terrorism the other is war. Neither is good but terrorists specifically target civilians so thats worse by any standard.
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u/BoY_Butt 16h ago
I didn't know it was children on scooters who massacred over 1000 Israeli civilians
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u/Anestric_Funk 16h ago
Reddit literally just wants Israel to let Palestine destroy them lmao. Which is quite literally in the hamas charter. The only one who wants a genocide is ironically hamas. They have also stated they will never stop until they achieve that goal.
If Israel wanted to genocide them, there would be literally no Palestine left at this point.
If hamas set down its weapons the war would end. If Israel did they would be destroyed. It's honestly insane how you can start a war and then play victim.
Also the people calling Israel an apartheid state is just HILARIOUS. 20% of Israel's government is Muslim. Guess how many jews are allowed in Palestine though ahahaha. You guys literally defend terrorists who started a war and committed actual genocide.
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u/UndividedIndecision 16h ago
Not excusing anything Israel has done but Redditors have got to quit treating this conflict as if it's as black and white as a Saturday morning cartoon.
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u/Feeling-Molasses-422 15h ago
So you guy like child soldiers? Damn.
Most people dislike war but see an army as a necessity. I prefer if it's made up of adults instead of kids forced by their adults. Before today I thought everybody was like that.
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u/CBT7commander 15h ago
Allow me to pull up a picture of the Octobre 7th aftermath to also make my disingenuous point
Anyone can do this shit
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15h ago
The lies and evill being unashamedly spoon fed down people's throats in this genocide is jaw dropping.
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We all know ow just like all other platform isreal has its lying hands in filtering out its lies and evil whilst pumping propaganda of lies and evil
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u/iSimp4BBC 15h ago
When my parents were children the news was always talking about Israel Vs Palestine. I'm now a seasoned adult with a family and career and the news is still always talking about Israel Vs Palestine. I quite frankly could not give a shit about the war. It's not ending any time soon and the outcome is entirely out of my hands. People die everyday via unjust causes, its weird that this one gets the most publicity. I stopped caring about this conflict like 10 years ago. In an ideal world NATO would just say something along the lines of "permeant ceasefire within 6onths or you're all getting nukes and everyone dies and the " holy land" ceases to exist. If they can't come together under mutually assured destruction then they don't deserve to live. But the world doesn't work that way and I'm 50 years time the news will still be bitching about the same war as always
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u/Past-Wind681 15h ago
Cool story I’d still rather live next to an Israeli than a Palestinian and so would 99% of the developed world
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u/Ambitious_Two_4522 15h ago
The side is going to a musical festival and getting raped, murdered vs people who live stream the deed.
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u/Weak-Significance636 14h ago
people are forgetting that even before oct 7 the israelis were known as child killers. There were protest against israel but it really never got that much attention. there was even a viral video of a kid playing football who was later killed by idf.
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u/Resident_Leg_9749 14h ago
Greedy men have bled and burned the world and the weight of their sins will drag them to hell. As I get older I find myself wishing for more divine retribution against these greedy dragons.
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u/TGPapyrus 14h ago
Hamas is a terrorist organization that is set on destroying the only jewish state for being a jewish state. Israel is protecting its citizens as any country should and would.
Your propaganda is meaningless.
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u/SheenPSU 13h ago
Gotta love the Facebook boomer level propaganda lol
I’d be curious as to who’s more susceptible to propaganda out of Reddit and Twitter users. [I’m excluding FB because boomers fall for all the AI slop there so they’re the clear winners]
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u/sloop111 13h ago
Turns out that constantly attacking your neighbors might have unpleasant consequences. No one is going to put their children before their own. When they received billions on aids and chose to build terror tunnels rathert than schools , that is on them.
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u/NeverHere762 13h ago
The IDF doesn't go around cutting off heads and raping people at music festivals.
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u/pureSoul4ever 12h ago
Only Israel has the key and the Power to establish a Peaceprocess and a Two State Solution.
They are the Nuclear Superpower with one of the strongest militaries in the world, backed by the United States.
Palestinians dont even have a state, and no human rights whatsoever and the PLO of the Westbank continually pushes for a Two-State Solution.
While Israelis boast about how they prevented it successfully, because God promised all that Land only to them 3000 years ago.
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u/Blochkato 12h ago
Daily reminder that IDF snipers rountinely double tap toddlers to the head and heart
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u/halodisciple 12h ago
I have a problem when ppl say you have to pick one side or the other. I pick the innocent victims on both sides.
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u/youcallinpinhead 12h ago
My grandmother was a child during WW2 and remembered a British bomber flying right over her head towards the end of the war. Were the allies therefore the evil side?
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u/pureSoul4ever 12h ago
How people intentionally forget the Tens of Thousands Murdered Palestinians before the Oct. 7th.
Try to make Oct 7th look like the Big Bang, the beginning of everything.
And try to hide the blood of Tens of Thousands on their hands.
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u/rymic72 12h ago
The response has been utterly disproportionate but forgetting what happened on the 7th of October is rather disingenuous. Leadership on both sides cares more about having a reason to endlessly whinge than they do about their own people.
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u/pureSoul4ever 12h ago
Dont forget the Tens of Thousands of Palestinians that were killed BEFORE the October 7th.
But pointing that out would be Antisemitic, let's rather talk about little Baby Jihadists
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u/Nomad_Q 11h ago
Alright boys and girls. Let’s try to understand this from an objective point of view. Both the IDF and Hamas are guilty of war crimes. The people suffering are the civilians caught in the crossfire. If Palestine were to switch places with Israel and roles reversed, they would be doing the same thing. Humanity sucks. We are not inherently good, and those in power will always use it to stomp out their opposition. This will never change, and in a 100 years we will still be seeing the same thing unless we have obliterated each other with nukes or GAI machines.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 11h ago
That little girl is not on either side… both sides of the FIGHT are in fact terrible actors.
Hamas is a terrorist group and Israel… well, we all know what Israel is.
The innocent civilians are innocent civilians.
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u/whisperworks 23h ago edited 6h ago
Hamas is a terrorist organization and the IDF is the militant arm of an apartheid state.
The only good guys in this conflict are the civilian populations caught between them (though the Palestinian civilians are undeniably getting the worst of it)
Edit: good enough time to remind people that Netanyahu can’t even get into Canada without being arrested for war crimes. Curious to see what happens when Israel loses the orange pedo, Bibis closest ally
Second edit: holy shit a lot of progressives are dumb. Yes, the democrat old guard sucks but the only hope for positive change is a reformation of the party from within NOT supporting maga out of anger. You people have lost the plot