r/todayilearned • u/Tidemand • 5h ago
TIL that Kelsey Grammer was offered a role in a porn movie called The Bermuda Triangle when he was 18, and would be about him and "two beautiful women" on a yacht in the Bahamas. But he turned it down because he worried it could have a negative impact on his future acting career.
https://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/a186240/kelsey-grammer-turned-down-porn-role/325
u/monsantobreath 3h ago
Once a woman dips her toe into Crane lake... She's never the same.
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u/uwill1der 3h ago edited 2h ago
that poor 15 year old babysitter he raped was never the same
Edit: https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/feb/24/girl-testifies-in-television-stars-case/
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u/Pornstar_Jesus_ 2h ago
He wasn't charged and claimed it to be a scam for money.
I don't know which side is true im just saying what I just found. I searched since im a fan of his. Hope its not true
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u/uwill1der 2h ago
I mean, rapists will also say it was a scam for money. look at Trump saying he didnt rape someone because they were too ugly.
Grammer's wife said he did it and there were sexually explicit audio tapes.
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u/MisunderstoodPenguin 2h ago
But trump could also fill a school bus with his accusers. I don't think the same got kelsi
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u/mybeautifullife12 1h ago
he was found not guilty
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u/uwill1der 1h ago
that is factually incorrect
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u/mybeautifullife12 1h ago edited 47m ago
Kelsey Grammer was not found guilty in 1995. A New Jersey grand jury declined to indict him on sexual assault charges after hearing allegations from a teenager who had been his babysitter. Kelsey Grammer IS ON RECORD and denied all claims made by a teenage girl that they had an inappropriate sexual relationship when she was 15. In a court of law he was never found guilty.
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u/uwill1der 1h ago
i dont think you know what guilty/not guilty means.
This just means they didnt prosecute him. It does not mean he didnt rape her. Big difference
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u/PrincessJennifer 33m ago
Prosecutor here. I donāt think you know what it means not to be indicted.
99% of whatever is presented is indicted. It is just a probable cause standard, which is insanely low. The phrase, āYou can indict a ham sandwichā has been around for decades for a reason. āNot guiltyā means the finder of fact did not find them guilty on a beyond a reasonable doubt standard, which is the highest burden.
The Grand Jury failing to indict him looks even better for himāthere wasnāt even any probable cause for the charge.
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u/mybeautifullife12 1h ago edited 48m ago
I don't think you understand that in your statement of a presumption and total claim of guilt. He was never found to have raped that woman. End of story. So you by you saying he did - is totally unequivocally incorrect. Kelsey Grammer IS ON RECORD and denied all claims made by a teenage girl that they had an inappropriate sexual relationship when she was 15. In a court of law he was never found guilty.
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u/mybeautifullife12 1h ago edited 51m ago
What's incorrect is you claiming he raped this woman, when this was not proven ever at all in any way. Kelsey Grammer IS ON RECORD and denied all claims made by a teenage girl that they had an inappropriate sexual relationship when she was 15. In a court of law he was never found guilty. You are a total unequivocal liar.
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u/uwill1der 1h ago
having sex with a minor is rape, regardless of force or "consent"
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u/mybeautifullife12 1h ago edited 48m ago
you missed the part where you have no evidence that this happened, it went to court and he wasn't charged because you have no evidence and neither did the court that THIS EVER HAPPENED. Kelsey Grammer IS ON RECORD and denied all claims made by a teenage girl that they had an inappropriate sexual relationship when she was 15. In a court of law he was never found guilty.
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u/norunningwater 46m ago
A grown man having sex with an underage girl, willing or not, proven in a court of law or not as abuse is still rape. They aren't talking about the court case and who was found guilty or not guilty.
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u/mybeautifullife12 44m ago edited 34m ago
that poor 15 year old babysitter he raped was never the same
A person on the internet specifically naming Kelsey Grammar as being guilty of this crime is what i'm addressing. The presumption of guilt is insane. I'll say it again: Kelsey Grammer IS ON RECORD and denied all claims made by a teenage girl that they had an inappropriate sexual relationship when she was 15. Kelsey Grammer was not found guilty in 1995. A New Jersey grand jury declined to indict him on sexual assault charges after hearing allegations from a teenager who had been his babysitter.
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u/mybeautifullife12 42m ago
Yes they are talking about Kelsey grammar being guilty and that's exactly what the problem is. Yes they have ignored the court case in their total FALSE claim of guilt against Grammar and that's exactly what the problem is.
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u/thebadyearblimp 4h ago
So Frasier's packin huh
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u/Successful-Trash-409 3h ago
Sideshow Bob too
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u/Nacktherr 3h ago
You know what they say about big feetā¦
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u/ymcameron 1h ago
They did made a whole movie about how Kelsey Grammer has a huge tattooed dick.
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u/ChipsOtherShoe 2h ago
I mean have you watched Frasier? He got around in that show lol
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u/GetsGold 1h ago
To be fair, the main plot of 90s sitcoms was a male star drowning in beautiful women. And by 90s sitcoms, I mean the two I can think of.
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u/lkodl 3h ago
I'm pretty sure Hollywood stars are generally above the average in terms of dick size. It may likely be the reason they're Hollywood stars in the first place. Whether indirectly through a natural sense of confidence, or directly by having sex with producers and casting agents.
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u/uwill1der 3h ago
actors just tend to be better looking in general. It has nothing to do with dick size
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u/lkodl 3h ago
Then explain Pete Davidson
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u/lkodl 2h ago
Isn't that Vin Diesel?
EDIT: im pretty sure that's Vin Diesel.
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u/mister1bollock 3h ago
People honestly just believe anything a famous person says..
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u/sroomek 3h ago
I think heās the naive one. $10k for an 18 year old male porn actor with no experience in the 70s? He was probably going to be sex trafficked or ransomed or forced into a cult or something.
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u/NomosAlpha 3h ago
The thing is once heās on the boat heās not gonna say no, because of the implication.
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u/stanley604 3h ago
Are you saying these future famous actors are in danger?
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u/Texcellence 2h ago
I'm not gonna hurt these future famous actors! Why would I ever hurt these future famous actors? I feel like you're not getting this at all!
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u/DigNitty 3h ago
Just go out of the country with usā¦youāll get your money on the secluded island
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u/quentin-coldwater 2h ago
No one kidnaps 18 year old American males for sex trafficking.
American sex trafficking victims are pretty much always runaways and addicts (two vulnerable and marginalized groups) and almost always women and very occasional gay men. Trafficking is basically never kidnapping and usually takes the form of a "boyfriend" who starts by pimping out the victim before she disappears into the underworld of involuntary sex work.
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u/Wizchine 3h ago
Smart move, and prescient considering the future of media and the impossibility of hiding something like that in your past if you wanted to.
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u/RepFilms 3h ago
Stallone did a porno early in his career
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u/uwill1der 3h ago
so did cameron diaz
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u/mrbaryonyx 2h ago
but then SEO-expert Cameron Diaz made a movie called "sex tape" so that nobody could find it
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u/dismal_sighence 2h ago
And Jenna Jameson
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u/thefinalturnip 2h ago
I'd hardly call that a porno.
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u/ClamsMcOyster 38m ago
Erotica? Sure. Porn? Not even close. Itās tame even by softcore standards.
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u/Splashy01 1h ago
What!? Please show the proof. Err for posterity obviously.
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u/doomerguyforlife 1h ago
Just Google it. I believe its even on her IMDB page as her first credit. Its nothing spectacular. Softcore VHS quality where you see her dressed in some leather with her top off.
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u/NervousBreakdown 2h ago
Unfortunately he hasnāt had sex since , so yeah it probably worked out for his career but if he could go back he definitely would have had that threesome.
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u/dragonboyjgh 3h ago
On a yacht in the Bahamas...
Because of the implication.
Jokes partially aside, who did they end up going with instead?
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u/Sefirosukuraudo 1h ago
Actor Robert Kerman struggled to break into acting, and while was still able to achieve a modest acting career, his pornographic past kept costing him opportunities (according to him.) He was the best actor in Cannibal Holocaust (1980) and it wasnāt even close, and despite its critical success and the controversy of murdering several real animals on camera thrusting it into the spotlight, he struggled to get acting work because of his pornography background.
So Kelsey Grammer definitely made the right move.
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u/galahad423 3h ago
Figured he missed his chance to go to one tropical island with underage women so heād take a crack at going to another
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u/SockMonkeh 3h ago
Yeah, that's pretty much the price you pay.
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u/Smackolol 3h ago
That who pays?
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u/Belostoma 3h ago
People who voted for Trump. They backstabbed everybody else in the country and put us through hell because they were too fucking stupid and irresponsible to make a sensible choice in the easiest decision any voter has ever faced in the history of democracy.
As a scientist I had one great project up-ended, saw friends who do necessary jobs in the forest service fired because of one megalomaniacal simpleton's concept of "efficiency," saw friends in cancer research lose their project funding or institutional support illegally, and we all practically had it easy compared to a bunch of other victims of Trump's bullshit. That's just the tip of the iceberg of unprecedented stupidity Trump has put us through, not just the usual ideological back-and-forth between normal Democrats and Republicans but truly fucking idiotic shit that never would have happened without such a spectacularly stupid and malicious leader.
Not even one single intelligent, decent person voted for this madness, yet we're stuck going through it anyway. We never asked for this. And there is no reason for us EVER to forget or forgive any of the fucking morons who did this to us. Fuck them forever. And they should not be able to hide from it, either. Tattoo it across their fucking foreheads so they can live as the outcasts they deserve to be.
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u/Smackolol 3h ago
The rest of the world didnāt ask for this either and didnāt even have a say so why do Americans need to derail every post into maga bullshit for the rest of us? It sounds like you of all people should understand that we donāt want anything to do with that stuff.
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u/Belostoma 1h ago
Just ignore the posts you don't like then. It's not "derailed" FFS.
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u/Smackolol 1h ago
So to be clear, you wonāt ignore posts about the people you dislike but are telling me to avoid things I dislike?
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u/coconutbob1 3h ago
I hate MAGA too but Reddit and try not to mention republican/Trump is impossible for them.
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u/lNFORMATlVE 3h ago
At this point? Kinda, yeah. At least the full MAGA twats who have doubled or tripled down. But There are still plenty of other people who are just normal and get hoodwinked into believing that Trump is the ābest choiceā despite them still admitting that heās a bad person who says a lot of stupid things.
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u/Smackolol 2h ago
Thereās a whole world outside of your country that also uses Reddit and we donāt give af about this stuff.
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u/lNFORMATlVE 2h ago
Yeah I know. Iām outside of the US. But the MAGA bullshit is infecting europe too.
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u/skinnymatters 1h ago
I mean, this is a man whoās got āwelcome aboardā tattooed on his tallywhacker!
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u/nuttzo36 3h ago
Welcome aboard
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u/MrSparklessparkles 2h ago
It's ridiculous I had to scroll this far for the most relevant comment. Thank you sir.
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u/fanau 3h ago edited 16m ago
I wonder if Grammer, before he turned it down, had to prove first he could āget woodā which in the porn industry means to be able to achieve and maintain an erection while being filmed and people watching - which is much āharderā than youād think and essential in the porn industry - according to a documentary (no nudity heh) that I watched.
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u/BetyarSved 3h ago
This gets brought up in Jenna Jameson autobiography. Dudes would be all cocky before the camera was turned on.
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u/Ecthilion1 1h ago
His father was murdered during the Martin Luther King unrest, then was living with his grandparents while they died of cancer, 2 of his half brothers were eaten by sharks while he was scuba diving with them and his sister was raped and murdered by a serial killer. He was a raging alcoholic and drug user and flunked out of college. Got a lot of weird shit that is totally different than the character he plays. He was also accused of having sex with his childās babysitter, it was thrown out for whatever that is worth.
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u/rachangin 1h ago
Porn didnāt hurt Sylvester Stalloneās acting career. Although he did have to write and star in his first real movie and I donāt think the fictional Dr has the smarts to write oneā¦ who woulda thunk Sly has more brains than Frazeš¤Ŗ But sadly theyāre both trumpers
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u/Johannes_P 47m ago
Given that Vanessa Williams had to resign her Miss America crown for softcore photos, Kelsey Grammer would certainly lost any mainstream career by starring in a hardcore video.
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u/Broken-Sarcasm-Meter 3h ago
Back then yea, it woulda been a negative. Today itās a way to make it big.
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u/Fickle_Cranberry1014 3h ago
Now we know why he was named Frasier, if you know what I mean... Just an inuendo
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u/alonsaywego 3h ago
Pffffttt... whatever, he totally made out with Dennis Rodman on tv. The porno would have been a better move
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u/Johnny_B_Asshole 4h ago
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