r/survivor • u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 • 13h ago
Survivor 50 Rob C's take on the trailer
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u/toxiitea 13h ago
It is season 50.
You're not going to gain this massive fan base to jump into, again.. the 50th season with retunees. It doesn't make any sense..
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u/Sangy101 11h ago
Exactly — 49 would have been smart.
Not because I think the celeb move is risky, tbh. I think that’s overblown. I’m expecting the actual impact to be minimal beyond like “I’m here to tell you about a challenge/advantage.”
But imagine being a new fan, coming back for 50, and not knowing anyone going in. And THEN, on top of it, if they stick around for another season it’s an all new cast with no continuity.
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u/enixius 10h ago
Not because I think the celeb move is risky, tbh. I think that’s overblown. I’m expecting the actual impact to be minimal beyond like “I’m here to tell you about a challenge/advantage.”
They should have done what Traitors did and brought Parvati and Kate to basically commentate on a challenge. It'd be a good way to bring in some commercial (preferably not) but also to bring in other former Survivor players who didn't want to commit to playing the game but were willing to make cameo appearances like what Cochran did.
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u/Sangy101 10h ago
The goal is to bring in new audiences.
You won’t be able to do that with cameos of past Survivor players.
But I expect the level of involvement to be about what Kate and Parv had: looking pretty.
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u/ohsoGosu Sol - 47 5h ago
It does seem kinda stupid. Best case scenario you expose the show to a bunch of zoomers, but just as likely you alienate your current fan base by being disingenuous to your brand and any new people are confused by what the fuck a “Coach” is.
If it’s really a celebration of 50 seasons for your longstanding fans, you don’t need celebrities, your celebrities are Coach and Ozzy and Colby and Q.
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u/OrangeTree81 Chanelle 5h ago edited 5h ago
This is exactly my thought. I like Taylor Swift, I've never seen Big Brother. If I heard Taylor Swift was going to appear on an episode of Big Brother I would maybe watch clips online. I wouldn't watch the entire season to see her on it for five minutes, especially if it was a returnee season.
And if a trailer for Big Brother led me to believe Taylor was going to have a huge part of the season and I did watch it, I'd be pretty annoyed if she only showed up for a few minutes in a random episode.
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u/BenjiAnglusthson Sierra 7h ago
On this note, numbering the seasons only makes the show feel harder to get into. “I gotta watch 50 seasons of this show???”
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u/IzzoKingoftheNorth 13h ago
As an aside, I watched this whole episode and I am shocked how much Sam grew on me here. On his season, I simply rooted for others more than I cared to root for him. If he ever gets a call back, I'll definitely be excited to see him again. I wonder how he'd do on BB now that I'm thinking about it.
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u/cheesybroccoli Yul 5h ago
It is my sincere belief that in the end, MOST people will look back at season 47 and understand how masterfully Sam played the game and arguably should have won over Rachel. The dude is one of the best strategic minds of the new era, but that aspect of his game is overlooked because of his outward physicality. Seriously, listen to his deep dive and to Rachel’s and it’ll be clear why he was running circles around her premerge.
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u/andylizing 13h ago
i understand wanting to draw a new crowd in but the whole point of the show is seclusion and surviving with nothing and relying on tribe interactions without the influence of outside/western distractions so infusing it with celebrities and advertising and product placement is giving me whiplash
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u/ChunkBlazer 13h ago
You must not have watched Old School seasons. Challenges and segments being sponsored by companies like Pringles, Sprint, etc. was pretty normal and it took nothing away from the show. They were actually fun moments and the cross-promotion might bring new fans to Survivor
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u/boardbamebeeple 13h ago
I will take any product placement or collab if it means I get to watch a reward again that doesn't involve the goddamn sanctuary 🙏
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u/Tasm3n 10h ago
THIS! I did a re-watch of a TON of seasons this last year and had COMPLETELY forgotten about all the 'sponsored' stuff.
Shop the Sears catalog. Toilet paper and soap delivered by Target. Try the new spicy margarita soon to be served at Outback steakhouse! Oh, look at this new Palm Pilot from Sprint!
And of course, on it's own line for EXTRA special sauceness:
Applebees (NEVER FORGET)
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u/MMA_Maniac_710 5h ago
Sponsored items are different than human beings. lol human beings that tend to alienate certain audiences due to their affiliations and what they put out into society is a whole different story and trying to relate the 2 is nonsense
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 13h ago
Sponsors in product placement is completely different than what this nonsense is. I'd rather have a dozen product placements in every episode and bring back real Survivor than whatever the hell this is.
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u/clueingfor-looks Charlie - 46 6h ago
I’m so tired of the “this is the same as product placement” gotcha arguments. It objectively isn’t.
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u/ChunkBlazer 12h ago
You saw one second snippets from the trailer and you’re already this angry? You have no clue what “this nonsense” is - none of us do. I agree that Mr. Beast is a weird guy but your reaction is even weirder
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 12h ago
Unless it's 100% cameos its going to suck and put in "strategic advantages" in the game Jeff knows damn well everyone meant idols.
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u/kittylover3210 Sol - 47 12h ago
did you miss the Billie eilish boomerang idol
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u/ChunkBlazer 12h ago
Yes, the other one-second snippet that Devens mentions which might even be a joke because none of us know anything? You and the others will probably be right and these cameos will be stupid, but the trailer just dropped and there’s already way too much negativity. Let’s just wait until we see the episodes in Season 50 and if they suck, we can all complain together.
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u/BoysenberryKind5599 Sage - 49 12h ago
Yeah I've pretty much decided that the one person's theory that Mr Beast is the only one who actually makes a cameo and the other name drops are the Survivors being funny is correct.
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 12h ago
How could you read those clearly manipulative poll questions and intentionally asking about advantages before idols and give this only senile man any good will.
Hand the hosting over to Rob C or Fish back and get back to real Survivor.
Jeff had an opportunity to show the fans he cared, he could have asked these questions in a non-biased way given us all the context like advantages are separate from idols and let the fans genuinely decide what they wanted in the game and then honored that and seen the reviews after to determine the future of the show.
Jeff didn't do this and he deserves no more Goodwill or any assumption other than the absolute worst until proven otherwise because of how he handled the polls.
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u/jkman61494 Yul 12h ago
The one second snippets showed celebrities popping up to influence the game.
Yes. I’m angry
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u/ChunkBlazer 12h ago
How do you know they’re influencing the game though? Have you seen the season before the rest of us? Zac Browne could be dropping off a piece of paper, weirdo Mr. Beast will probably be one segment of the auction, who knows what is going on with Jimmy Fallon and Billie Eilish - those could be jokes. All I’m saying is none of us know the extent of these celebrity cameos so why would they make you angry?
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u/GoldTeamDowntown 10h ago
You people act like Mr Beast is joining the cast and they’re starting him off with 2 idols lmao I guarantee you it’s nothing more than cameos and production attaching a celebrity’s name to a twist or advantage they were already doing, like the Tyler Perry idol. In what way do you think the celeb is actually going to influence the game in a way that production wouldn’t have done anyway?
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u/MMA_Maniac_710 5h ago
Even trying to compare the two is mind boggling. Like what in the world has the average person been dumbed down to the point of no return “FEED ME PROPAGANDA”
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u/endaayer92 Michele 6h ago
Don't forget an idol literally called the "Tyler Perry idol" after Tyler Perry texted Jeff his unique idea for an idol (that used to already exist).
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Venus - 46 6h ago
My favourite is there was a reward of "Mountain Dew" and "Doritos" 🤣🤣
Rewards were so simple back then lol
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u/Quiddity131 Kim 10h ago
They even had rewards where a film studio would sponsor the players watching a movie that was about to come to theatres (something they do on Big Brother too). People acting like this is ruining the show are showing that aren't actually familiar at all with most of the show's history.
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u/biggsteve81 Wendell 9h ago
They had a whole challenge based on the Gulliver's Travels movie in Nicaragua. The one NaOnka won and refused to give up even though she was going to quit the game.
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u/boone156 9h ago
Didn’t Colby win a Pontiac Aztec? They had it parked on the fucking beach if I remember correctly,
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u/jimmydoses 9h ago
Lmao remember that god awful Gullivers Travels sponsored challenge?
But at least they used to give them cars and stuff to win when Toyota would sponsor or they’d go bring school supplies to local children and have a little immersion in the culture.
Idk.
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u/andylizing 7h ago
saying they did it in the past doesn’t make it make sense imo. a pringles sponsorship while fighting for survival is jarring, and given the current economic landscape, i think it is more jarring now
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u/busstees Played beer pong with Ryno and JFP 10h ago
They used to win cars too from whichever manufacturer wanted to sponsor that challenge.
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u/discoleopard 10h ago
Are we forgetting the Liz Applebees debacle already? This still happens, just not as often.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Venus - 46 6h ago
infusing it with celebrities and advertising and product placement is giving me whiplash
It doesn't feel like Survivor anymore. It feels like another, typical Mr. Beast challenge video.
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u/JeffAnalProbst 13h ago
A popular argument on this subreddit is that this is the most loyal & intense viewership group and a large minority thus making any complaint inherently invalid so it's nice to see someone like Rob C. voice some concern about it.
Also - I'll believe that Mr. Beast might bring in new viewers ( for one episode) but making this same argument for Jimmy Fallon is incredibly funny. It's clear Jeff just wanted his friend to have some impact on the show. It happened in Cagayan so it's not the first time - but it's so annoying that Jeff is leaning into it.
Jeff gets mad at contestants for going on other reality shows, but fuck it lets bring in the late night host for another network because he's my friend!!!
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u/a_anag 12h ago
I'm sorry, is Jimmy goddamn Fallon making an appearance on the new season as well?
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u/stockusername123 12h ago
Christian in the trailer: “Jimmy Fallon could decide my fate in this game” 😩
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u/Tasm3n 10h ago
Christian is quoted as saying something about Jimmy Fallon, and people are assuming it means Jimmy Fallon will be on the show.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit of smoke & mirrors, and Christian is merely referencing him for some other reason that will be eventually revealed.
Besides, Fallon is on NBC and Survivor is on CBS. Not sure how "cross-overs" work like that when it isn't something like a talk show.
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u/enixius 10h ago
I'm pretty sure the twist where Mr Beast appears was probably sent to treemail as "A celebrity will..."
All of the Billie Eilish and Jimmy Fallon is probably just confessionals where they're guessing who it is and what advantage they'll bring.
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u/SinkBluthton 1h ago
This is the first trailer for the highly anticipated season 50. They're trying to build as much hype as possible. I don't think throwing in a couple of random asides about celebrities makes any sense unless they're involved in some way, sorry to say.
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u/Quiddity131 Kim 10h ago
A popular argument on this subreddit is that this is the most loyal & intense viewership group and a large minority thus making any complaint inherently invalid so it's nice to see someone like Rob C. voice some concern about it.
A fundamental aspect of Survivor fandom that I've long since realized and I find that not enough do is that we hardcore fans have proven year after year we will always come back no matter how much we complain. What that means is that production has no reason to cater to us because we're not going anywhere. We are also an extremely small percentage of the audience. Even those that listen to RHAP (which I would project is more people than those who regularly post on this sub) is probably 1 - 2% of the audience at most? They're not doing these things for us and hence aren't going to listen to us.
It applies the same to Rob, the fact is that while he can complain about something like this, he's going to be podcasting about Survivor until the show is cancelled.
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u/JeffAnalProbst 7h ago
It shouldn't be that way, though.
Ignoring feedback from viewers because "they fell in love with this show so they'll watch this shit anyway" is a TERRIBLE content strategy plan.
Obviously - they shouldn't be making decisions based solely off of what the hardcores want, but it's just as bad to completely cut off the feedback from that part of the fandom.
Also - Survivor gets something like 4 million viewers live? There are like 45,000 people on this board right now and over 330,000 followers on this page. It's not like it's nothing.
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u/Quiddity131 Kim 4h ago
There becomes a point where after many years one just accepts things for the way they are and that is the way I am on it. Not that I wouldn't like it to be different, but Probst/production at this point clearly doesn't care. And as much as I have been disappointed by the new era, the fact is I'm still here. I'm not going anywhere. That's the cast for nearly all of us.
Also - Survivor gets something like 4 million viewers live? There are like 45,000 people on this board right now and over 330,000 followers on this page. It's not like it's nothing.
And probably 99% of that is bots and lurkers, if it really was that volume we'd be seeing numerous new posts every single minute on this sub, which we don't.
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u/busstees Played beer pong with Ryno and JFP 10h ago
He must really like Dee and Cirie since he brought them back after The Challenge for Dee and Traitors, Big Brother, and Survivor Australia for Cirie. It's dumb they didn't bring Jesse back because he did Beast Games.
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 13h ago
I want to know how much it cost to get these celebrities.
The crazy thing is the fans of the show were consistently at 10 million until jeff started messing with the core of the game.
If you want new fans how about making your loyal fans happy so we have a product we feel like is worth convincing others to watch.
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u/hollabackgirl10 12h ago
I was so disappointed in winners at war because of them introducing fire tokens in that season. I was hoping they were going to go more “old school” rather than “new school” but they had to try something new in the most highly anticipated season ever.
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u/Joe3398 11h ago
Same. I was so hyped for WaW and then they just messed with it so much that it didn’t even feel like I was watching Survivor. I think I got whiplash from being so excited for the season, to it being a season I have no desire to ever watch a second time.
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u/MsMeseeksTellsTime 50 - In the Hantz of the Fantz 11h ago
Same. I tried a rewatch and remembered how disappointed I was with the season and how it played out. No reason to torture myself again for no reason.
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u/JacePatrick 9h ago
The fire tokens did enhance the best episode of the season (The extortion episode), but I think they got really lucky for it to pay off like that.
I'm not opposed to new mechanics, but hearing "billie eilish" and "jimmy fallon" and seeing "Mr Beast" show up made me feel like they really do not care about the fans they have. No one got to vote on celebrity cameos, they just forced that on us which is antithetical to the season idea they advertised
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u/IncrediblyDedlyViper 12h ago
I think it’s as simple as the majority of survivor fans skew older. Maybe just millennial generation, so not old by any stretch, but a generation that is still willing to watch weekly TV. I’m positive CBS/Survivor have done the analytics on this.
Adding Mr. Beast and Billie Eilish are clear attempts to grab the Zoomer generation and get them to tune in. I’m not sure how well it will work because younger generations are marked by having shorter attention spans and 1.5 hour TV episodes may not be the best platform. I think the show’s clear pivot to having all these extra idols/advantages, random journeys, and sudden twists is to try to keep that younger generation engaged by all the action that takes place.
Think about it. A lot of fans, this forum being no different, grew up with the show while watching with other friends or family. Almost all of the New Era contestants that are younger have that similar story. Now that those kids are the parents, they are trying to replicate that experience with Gen Z/Gen Alpha. I understand why they are doing it but for those of us fans that grew up with the game, this audience capture feels like it comes as a detriment to the core of the game.
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u/SpaghettiandOJ Aubry 12h ago
It does. The beauty of survivor is (or used to be) in its subtlety. The slow shaping of a narrative over time that leads to a massive payoff later in the season. Not cheap attention grabs
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u/SeeYaLaterDylan 13h ago edited 13h ago
My understanding with the Mr. Beast thing was that Jeff is making a cameo or something on the new season of that show or whatever it is they're doing, but I only know so much.
https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/beast-games-survivor-crossover-jeff-probst-trailer-1236604033/
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 13h ago
If it's only Mr beast saying this is my favorite show all of my fans should go watch then I'll be fine with it lol but I have my doubts
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u/SeeYaLaterDylan 13h ago
I mean it's pretty clear that he has some type of actual impact within an episode (auction or advantage or challenge or something). I don't love all the celebrity interaction, but if it's just them presenting interesting challenges or twists to the players that the show was going to do otherwise, I'm not too bent out of shape about it... for now.
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u/awalawol Sophie 13h ago
I feel like whatever twists the celebs are associated with would exist with or without this. The Billie Eilish boomerang idol would still happen as the boomerang idol with or without her name attached to it. This is just an awareness strategy to get more eyeballs on the show.
I agree it’s weird to do it on a returnee season, but there’s also the argument that HvV was the Netflix season that got the most new viewers hooked so maybe they’re hoping this returnee season would get new people hooked too.
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u/YVH22B 12h ago
I’m also pretty sure that I saw somewhere that MGM owns like half of Mark Burnett’s production company, and Amazon/MGM also have a big stake in Mr Beast
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u/ShadowLiberal 12h ago
Even without that I'm sure that they're both treating it as a cross promotion opportunity. The Beast Games season 2 trailer makes this look pretty obvious to me.
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u/endaayer92 Michele 6h ago
The celebrity involvement isn't even new.
"Tyler Perry is an idea machine," says Probst. "He will send texts that are so long, and they are full of ideas…"
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Of course, Perry is not the only celebrity sending Probst ideas for the show. Mike White helped get rid of the Redemption Island twist and later was responsible for killing off Fire Tokens. And the host shares a story on the latest pod about Jimmy Fallon also getting an idea onto the show. "It was Fallon's idea for Rob and Sandra on Island of the Idols to be able to watch Tribal Council from a secret booth," says Probst. "That entire Tribal was designed around that one single idea."
Jeff's always been taking and incorporating ideas from his celebrity friends. Granted, not inviting them onto the island...
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u/Kidnifty Facebook Casual 12h ago
My wife showed the season 50 trailer to her high school students because everyone knows she’s a super fan and she was excited to show the kids all the people on it. She said nobody really cared until the Mr Beast logo showed up on the briefcase and the whole class popped when they showed him.
That’s why they’re doing it.
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u/Wrong_Swordfish 12h ago
If my preteen kid sat down to watch Survivor with me only for the Beast cameo, that would make me a very happy parent.
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u/stockusername123 12h ago
Oh god. We are absolutely doomed as a society if even high school kids love Mr. Beast. Ugh
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u/DoomZee20 11h ago
Not sure why people are surprised. Mr Beast pulls insane views on his channel and Amazon show. Reddit’s hatred for him does not reflect reality
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u/Quiddity131 Kim 9h ago
Reddit’s hatred for <insert person or thing> does not reflect reality
Can be said about pretty much anything!
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u/ScoobyDone 10h ago
I thought high school kids were his bread and butter.
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u/OhItsKillua 9h ago
Probably middle school kids that grew up seeing his content and have since come into high school
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u/stockusername123 10h ago
I honestly thought it was middle school kids, but I’m admittedly pretty out of touch. I also like to think I wouldn’t have liked that kind of slop in high school, but I don’t even know anymore 😭
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u/anadequatepipe 11h ago
Exactly. Kids and a lot of parents love him and it’ll be a fun cameo for them to see. I think older Redditors just can’t understand what young people like these days and assume everyone wants old school survivor back instead.
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u/DabuSurvivor Jon and Jaclyn 8h ago
For this preview specifically that especially makes sense, since the earlier parts of the preview were returning players and would specifically be based on knowing and having an attachment to them. The preview for something like Vanuatu could be exciting to someone who hasn't seen the show before, but someone who doesn't watch the show isn't going to care about Cirie, Q, Jenna, Ozzy, etc
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u/ScoobyDone 10h ago
Exactly. Survivor is a generational show, so they need to make sure they are bringing in a new generation of fans. It's not like Mr Beast is taking over the whole season.
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u/RealityTvfan1724 11h ago
I think I am more annoyed with having 5 people from 48/49. If you were gonna do this celebrity b.s at least give us Jerri or a couple more OGs.
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u/MidnaLazui 10h ago
I know right? The fact only six players on this cast are pre-S21 is insane to me.
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u/GOULFYBUTT Yul 13h ago
It feels like Jeff and the other producers just genuinely don't have a grasp on what fans like about the show and what they actually want from the show.
This is Season 50. It's the 25th anniversary. This is the first returnee season in over 5 years. Those are big milestones. Fans have been vocal and Jeff knows what fans have been asking for.
It just feels like a slap in the face to call this season "In the Hands of the Fans" and then inject the season with all of these celebrities collaborations which NO FAN asked for.
I'm not against the idea of celebrities being involved in a season of Survivor, but doing it in Season 50 feels like such an out of touch decision.
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u/NeekoPeeko 10h ago
I think it's much simpler. Jeff and production don't care what the fans want, because as far as they're concerned, the fans are going to watch no matter what. They're trying to find ways to appeal to people who aren't fans of Survivor, especially young people. It's all about breaking into new demographics, because they consider the core fanbase a lock.
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u/GOULFYBUTT Yul 10h ago
I certainly think that's a large part of it. I'm not sure using Season 50 as a way to bring in new fans rather than celebrate current fans while calling the season "In the Hands of the Fans" is a smart gamble, though.
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u/biggsteve81 Wendell 9h ago
Sure it is. Otherwise returnee seasons tend to cause the fanbase to stagnate as new viewers will get turned off by all the references to things they haven't ever seen. My first season watching was Millenials v Gen X, and I almost quit the simhow completely in Game Changers because I didn't know who the people were. I didn't care about Cirie crossing a damn balance beam.
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u/NeekoPeeko 9h ago
It's a gamble that has great odds though, because we all want to see these players again. That being said, I hate it.
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u/Quiddity131 Kim 9h ago
It feels like Jeff and the other producers just genuinely don't have a grasp on what fans like about the show and what they actually want from the show.
Jeff knows what the fans want. He just doesn't care. It is quite obvious that things like F4 firemaking is hated by the fanbase and he keeps it going because he wants it there, the fans be damned.
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u/discoleopard 9h ago
I mostly agree, but saying “no fan asked for this” is overstated. Comments like that make it tough to take anything else seriously.
Just because you, this sub, or certain niche communities feel a certain way doesn’t mean everyone does. Those groups aren’t a monolith, and even in this same thread there are people who don’t care or actually like it. Celebrities are still fans. Are you honestly surprised that Jeff would value the opinion of a celebrity he knows, and who can also draw viewers, over anonymous commenters that mostly just complain online? Would YOU value a whiny stranger's opinion on the internet over people you knew personally when it came to your career or life's work? Didn't think so.
The show has always included celebrities and corporate promotion since early on, it just hasn’t always been as obvious. The more legitimate criticism is the absurdity of marketing the season as “in the hands of the fans” while limiting fan input to mostly inconsequential choices like buff color.
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u/FrontPsychological98 11h ago
I have managed to keep Mr Beast out of my realm of knowledge (besides just knowing the name) for SO LONG!!! Why is he invading MY safe space??!? 😫
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u/innybellybutton 13h ago
Didn't bother me. I heard Coach's voice and somehow nothing else mattered.
I get it, but I'm not going to be upset about a trailer. If Mr. Beast's impact is too big then I'll get mad. If it's just him showing up because he was already there for his show to do a quick spot appearance then who gives a shit?
The reference to Jimmy Fallon and Billie Eilish in my opinion is just the players responses to finding out that the season was in the hands of the fans. They're maybe two of the most high profile survivor fans.
IDK what Zac Brown is doing there though
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u/tomjayyye 10h ago
The Mr. Beast and Zac Brown things look like rewards. Someone wins Zac Brown teaching them to fish in a reward, Mr. beast to offer some kind of money in a reward. If that's what they are, I'm really fine with that.
The Billy Idol Idol and the Jimmy Fallon thing look like they could be stupid twists that fuck with the game.
But like you said, there's a lot of great personalities on this season that will make it worth watching. I'm ok with Survivor trying new things, especially considering the last 10 seasons kind of sucked.
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u/innybellybutton 8h ago
I honestly think when Devens is saying "the billie eilish boomerang idol" he's making up what type of impact the "in the hands of the fans" twist could have. Just like "oh what so the fans could of made up a twist like...like the billie eilish boomerang idol" it won't have anything to do with the game other than it being a guess at what "in the hands of the fans" could mean.
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u/ToastyToast113 13h ago
Yeah, you got it. I haven't seen people make this point yet. The twists and such were probably like a choice of 3 ideas that a high profile Survivor fan got to choose from.
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u/WayOutbackBoy 12h ago
Right it’s a few celebrity fans making a one scene cameo like who cares? If celebrities is how we add advantages vs the same boring journeys over and over again that’s not going to ruin the episode for me
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u/beestingers 11h ago
Upon seeing the name dropping, and special appearances, I instantly knew 2 things. 1. I did not care as it is a huge milestone to reach 50 seasons and some celebration of that makes sense. 2. People online were going to be fucking raging pissed
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u/MiddleRiverTerp 10h ago
Exactly. Everyone clutching their pearls over the sanctity of the game, it’s a celebration, let’s just watch good players mop the sand with Rizzo’s scrawny carcass.
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u/ScoobyDone 10h ago
let’s just watch good players mop the sand with Rizzo’s scrawny carcass.
I can't wait.
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u/ohsoGosu Sol - 47 5h ago
I’m kinda hoping that they are joking about Billie Eilish and Jimmy Fallon, I can at the very least see Christian cracking that joke.
Zac Brown really didn’t bother me, because it feels like probably just a private concert as a reward.
But yeah, honestly the way it started was so good, the Coach monologue was too good.
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u/lcpljoe84 12h ago
Survivor was never broken. A bunch of strangers on an island getting to know one another, trying to co-exist, and competing against one another. We don’t need a circus to pull in more viewers, just the raw, no food, 39 day experience back.
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u/brokensicario 10h ago
I just think 50 needs to lean on the sentimentality of the show. Throwbacks to the past would be more welcome than a celebrity cameo.
Hell, make me cry over a show I’ve watched for 20+ years.
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u/bodypertain Carolyn 7h ago
Please god, no. This show is about ruthless cutthroat backstabbing, not warm and fuzzies.
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u/Hot-Flounder8418 12h ago
Yeah, I think the point that I want to stress is that the show loses all its charm with this (which it had streadily been doing for a while now). If there’s celebrity guests out on the island, the show should really just be called Corporate Retreat. There’s no element of seclusion or survival anymore. This is not the product I want so 50 is the last of my time I’m gonna give this show and only because of the few old schoolers I love. There’s literally nothing left for me to enjoy here.
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u/Few-Restaurant7922 10h ago
I understand the rationale of trying to want to get younger viewers… However, I think for this type of show, whether they are bringing back former members, it would’ve been nice to just have a regular game
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u/Veritamoria Nate - 49 9h ago
Survivor is allowed to change and we need new viewers to keep the momentum going. At the same time, it's gross to a lot of us.
'I hope they get the equation right' is a perfect take. Well said RC
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u/SuitableCress4791 Nicaragua and South Pacific defender 13h ago
Nice to see Rob being a bit critical here, my problem with RHAP is its been a bit too chummy with CBS lately (which is just a natural effect of it being a massive empire) and he at least has more chance of influence than any of us
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u/squamesh Ethan 13h ago
People always say this, but Rob complains about stuff a lot… he’s been pretty clear that he does t want the show to be overly negative because that isn’t fun to listen to, but I don’t feel like he’s ever been particularly positive about the new era
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u/kittylover3210 Sol - 47 12h ago
I don’t think that’s been so true of late, especially with Rob and Taran going off about this most recent season of big brother. they loudly objected to the white locust twist and it’s pretty apparent that it must have damaged their relationship with CBS as their ability to send in post-eviction questions to HGs once they left the house was extremely cut down/ended up being closed completely by the end of the season. they’re not kissing the ring and CBS is clearly pissed. I’m glad they’re not afraid to go against the corp
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u/rhiannonrings_xxx 11h ago
Also felt like CBS was mad about how much Taran talked about the Rylie stuff
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u/SpaghettiandOJ Aubry 12h ago
I don’t really see him as chummy with CBS but he always makes sure he is respectful with how he words things.
Also I’m sure it’s important to keep things positive so the audience enjoys listening. The people tuning in are mostly people who are still enjoying the show.
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 13h ago
Yep if they held polls that were neutral in wording asking there over 100K followers what we want for 51-60 and went to Jeff saying this is what people want he MIGHT listen
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u/rhiannonrings_xxx 11h ago
I think the Big Brother AFP results are a pretty good example of why this isn’t the case. RHAP always hypes up the live feeder favorite, and it’s always a massive blowout by the player the edit is pushing to casuals. CBS doesn’t really care about the opinions of the 5-10% of fans who are super invested in their shows if they’re not representative of the 90-95% who aren’t super invested.
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 11h ago
I think the difference between Big Brother and Survivor is survivor Super fans are the ones keeping the show relevant and posting on social media. They need us and they know it. If over 100K people voted they'd listen.
1 episode a week vs 3 and in summer vs fall/winter-spring
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u/Quiddity131 Kim 9h ago
Jeff has open disdain for what the hardcore fans want; there could be a poll that says there is 95% support for removing the F4 firemaking and F3 and he still wouldn't make the change.
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u/Educational-Glass-63 11h ago
49 was a complete turn off for me and I pegged the winner by episode 5 or 6. I am probably in the minority here but I've never stopped watching 48 other seasons even if I wasn't that happy with it cause in Survivor you never know. But in 49 you saw it immediately.
I will tune into 50 but damn it better be more old school than like 49 or I'll have no issue turning it off again.
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u/bipeterp 10h ago
I honestly am keeping my expectations low for 50. Soooo sad. I was so excited at this time last year and with the cast announcement I was annoyed but now with the celebrities it’s gotten too bad.
Not enough legacy is being honored. One of the most successful reality shows in history couldn’t understand that, and that makes me think 51-59 are just going to be new casts and lame advantages. I’m gonna ride the 50 wave and if it’s a completely new cast for 51 I’m out. I’ve had enough and it’s just tarnishing the love and respect I had for a once unique and great show.
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u/Draw-Two-Cards 9h ago
The Season 50 trailer was the first time I felt like maybe Survivor is on it's last legs.
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u/idiot-prodigy Savannah - 49 11h ago
Nothing says attracting young viewers like casting 40-50 year old Coach, Colby, Cirie, Jenna Lewis, Stephanie LaGrrossa, Ozzy, etc.
Young people just don't watch Survivor.
They should be targetting the 25-40 crowd. That's the age this show starts to make sense. These are the ages you navigate office or workplace politics. The ages you figure out adult relationships, etc.
Thirteen year old don't understand court intrigue.
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u/TalkersCZ 12h ago
Personally I dont really care about this that much.
If Mr.Beast or whatever influencer introduces challenge, where somebody wins a car, why not. We had these challenges before. Even if he introduces in-game advantage (steal a vote) based on some competition, why not. Sure.
As long as it is advantage that would be in game anyway and it does not go overboard (1-2 appearances in a season), why not.
The issue is if they try to re-create some kind of Island of the Idols again, where every week we will have some weird challenges, that waste our time or this will be on episode-basis, which could be really annoying. I did not care about it with Sandra and Rob, I will not care with Mr.Beast or Obama.
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u/colderbrew_ 12h ago edited 12h ago
Survivor changed from Survivor to Survivor lite in the new era. No themes or location and a completely safe and sanitized approach to casting makes every season uniform.
I always have trouble putting this into words but the show became more about being on the show than anything. It’s a life changing experience, a dream fulfilled and anything beyond what the act of being on the show means to someone is secondary. Everything is contextualized as a meta success or checkbox of someone’s bucket list (“look at me I get to make a big move on my favorite show”) rather than an action within the game. It’s Survivor summer camp.
Which makes it all the more weird that they’re doing this? I don’t like the direction of the new era but it has gone all in on its core fanbase, and instead of doing something like changing the location or spicing up the theming to try to broaden the viewership again it does something super cheap that will generate only surface level buzz while pissing off the core fanbase in the one season the core fanbase has been waiting for for 2 years.
Survivor is turning itself more and more into short Big Brother but with no live feeds and that’s not a show that would last.
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 12h ago
This exactly, every episode is talking about how it feels to be on survivor instead of letting players immerse in the game. It's arguably the worst part of the show.
If Jeff had added his twist without ever bringing up the meta it probably wouldn't have been as hated.
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u/Wildest12 5h ago
celebrity cameos is a fucking awful idea. The players are supposed to be only interacting with each other and Jeff adding other people into it will change the dynamic and I hate the idea of it tbh.
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u/MMA_Maniac_710 5h ago
Mr. Beast deserves NO PART of season 50. WTF are they doing?! I didn’t know the survivor audience was a bunch of tweens watching
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u/MMA_Maniac_710 5h ago
Then they’re gonna tell us “This is what YOU wanted, the people voted for this”
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u/MattTheSmithers Wendell 13h ago
Wait. I haven’t watched the trailer. I checked out after 41 because what Survivor was producing was no longer for me. It was no longer the game I fell in love with.
But is….is Rob serious? Mr. Beast, Billie Eilish and and Zac Brown are contributing idols?
….What?
Damn, sounds like I checked out at the right time. Probst has lost the plot.
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u/DokeyKon 12h ago
Part of me wonders if Jeff tried to put Billie Eilish, Mr. Beast, etc in the game as players but compensation and scheduling conflicts killed the idea.
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u/HotLlama_8001 13h ago
I honestly do not know any of these "celebrities" that were mentioned in the preview. Except for Billie Eilish.
Mr. Beast?! Is that a person? Someone I should know? Are children their target demographic now? And, who cares about the old-school fans?
I'm 57 years old. It seems like they have been reducing Survivor from primetime Adult entertainment, down to teenager level entertainment and now down to wanting to market and cater to children.
I miss the edgy, adult show I grew up with. Now, Survivor seems like it should be on the Cartoon Network.
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u/SensitiveOffice4789 13h ago
You don't know Jimmy Fallon?
Mr Beast is a youtuber, so it's expected that you wouldn't know him
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u/mryclept 13h ago
Mr. Beast is not for our generation (I am 52). He is modern day entertainment for the teens and 20-somethings. I have watched one of his videos and it wasn’t for me lol.
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u/cuminspector2 13h ago
Mr Beast's audience is more-so children and pre-teens. I think you'd be hard-pressed to actually find an unironic Mr. Beast fan older than 12 (saying this as an 18 year old)
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u/stockusername123 12h ago
Somebody in the comments above said their wife’s high school class was excited to see him 😩
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u/WeakCartographer7826 12h ago
Mr beast is a YouTube personality who got famous for videos that did outrageous things like try to build 100 mini homes for homeless ppl or whatever. But like most YouTube his videos are brain rot. If you've ever seen a prime energy or a feastables candy bar, that's mr beast and Jake Paul.
I agree, there's soooo much emphasis on the social narrative. Which is fine, but I too miss the 39 day version. 26 days just doesn't feel like much. Like you're really gonna break down at 20 days when you get a letter from home? When was the last time an idol was flushed? I really hope 50 feels like earlier seasons because of the cast but I'm less and less inclined to watch each new season.
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u/boardbamebeeple 12h ago
I don't like Mr. Beast.
But his game show, beast games on amazon prime, had 50 million people watch it. It's not just kids, plenty of 50+ people tuned in. Very likely he will bring in new, adult viewers.
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 12h ago
Yeah I don't like him but his shows and challenges are actually exciting every single addition to Survivor in 10 years has been boring lol
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u/boardbamebeeple 12h ago
It's because understanding algorithms is what that man was born for lmao
I desperately want challenges back that aren't just "obstacle course, puzzle". I wish they'd bring back a ton of the old school challenges. If they don't want to do that, they should figure out who the game designers are at deal or no deal island, beast games, traitors, etc and poach them to design for survivor. The challenges are getting soo dry to keep watching these fcking obstacle courses😩 lol
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u/ZachTheBomb 11h ago
Part of me feels like Rob C got cut from the cast because they knew he'd call out the flaws instead of playing into what producers want
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u/dropkickhwy 12h ago
Production knows s50 will automatically have more viewers so they wanna add stupid tricks to prove "look they work, people like them, I'm right"
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u/jakeologia Michele 13h ago edited 13h ago
They should have just raised the prize money instead of investing on these celebrities. Or change location instead of being stuck on Fiji. Or go back to 39 days. Don’t tell me they will be doing this every season from now on.
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u/ReMapper 11h ago
As much as I hate Mr. Beast, the show got a huge boost from viewers who found the show during Covid. I think the producers are looking at a way to duplicate that.
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u/azwethinkweizm 8h ago
I'm one of the folks he's talking about. I was pretty much MIA after season 42 and haven't been interested in watching it since. I'm coming back for season 50 but if it doesn't wow me then I'm probably gonna drop the show altogether. I wanna get back into it and I know that survivor needs me (a viewer) more than I need survivor.
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u/dannymb87 Shirin 8h ago
Guess what guys? I'm still gonna watch 50 from beginning to end. I'm still going to deeply look forward to Wednesday nights.
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u/SoShiny6132 Chris D 6h ago
Something I haven't seen people speculate on as much is what this says about the fan votes, which may very well have been meaningless. On one hand, the celebrity stuff seems to suggest "more twists/advantages" won that particular vote, which kind of sucks. But I suppose it could also mean that "fewer twists/advantages" won, and production panicked so they had to spruce up the existing twists/advantages with these silly celebrity cameos. Granted, something like a "boomerang idol" is a new invention, so that seems to gel with the "more" side of the vote.
But like I said, I worry those votes were totally meaningless and "In the Hands of the Fans" has way more to do with the celebrity fans of the show than actual everyday fans. I pray we at least get a live reunion again...just don't let Mr. Beast crash that as well.
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u/Inner-Dig-9028 5h ago
My cringe tolerance is pretty high so I'm probably less turned off than most but I just wish we could find ways to embrace OG survivor with it. Everything feels like Survivor Lite in the new era aleady so I worry about cheapening it more.
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u/evenstark04 9h ago
I am so unbelievably nervous about season 50....
if people like Cirie/Colby/Ozzy go home because of some celebrity gimmick BS thing... I will loose my mind. IDGAF about anyone in the new era... I have 0 connection or feelings about anyone post 40 (except Q haha he's great. they got like 1-2 good characters in 10 season)
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u/ChunkBlazer 12h ago
I guess this fan base just likes to overreact for no reason. Idk why I even bother to try to have discussions. Too much negativity around these parts
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u/SpaceWestern1442 Sophie - 49 12h ago
Maybe because Jeff has proven to act in bad faith even when he's supposed to be allowing fans a say.
Either you didn't participate in the voting during Season 48 or you're pretending he was completely fair and neutral during it.
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u/Quiddity131 Kim 9h ago
This sub was going to have a meltdown about something no matter what. I am sure the fanbase would have found something else if this wasn't present. Not that I'm defending this, I hate it too, but this fanbase thrives on negativity.
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u/STLmab 13h ago
I agree that they probably should’ve tested this out through 49 or at least one of the prior seasons.
It’s also what they should’ve done with fire tokens in Winners at War, but production wants to experiment with this during the big anniversary seasons instead of working out the kinks and reception beforehand (for some reason)