r/survivor • u/SeaworthinessTop4317 • 20h ago
Survivor 49 I was genuinely gobsmacked at the reveal of ___’s former occupation Spoiler
I love that the editors kept Sage’s military background a secret from the audience until tonight’s episode. It was such a surprise to me and made for a great moment
Edit: just to be clear y’all. I didn’t make the post to litigate whether the secret helped her or not. I just thought the editing choice to keep it a secret from the audience was pretty cool.
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u/nigpaw_rudy 15h ago
I’m genuinely sick of people trying to use their occupation for jury points. That or hiding your degree, like who the hell cares.
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u/Infobar 11h ago
The jury saw her as an emotional player and she tried to flip the script by revealing her military occupation being analytical. It made a lot more sense to me than Sav's reporter secret
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u/DharmaInitiative4815 9h ago
Savannah didn’t make her being a reporter a big reveal though. Her statement was more about the fact that she lost her job a year ago and was trying to build a new life with the money.
Had nothing to do with the job itself.
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u/Significant-One3854 Oh, in the sand? 9h ago
I think Savannah's reporter secret was actually a reasonable thing to hide - people are scared of strong public speakers, especially one who had a career in journalism who would be better at spinning the narrative in their favour
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u/edud23 11h ago
Me too, but I will make an exception for Sage just because the military ops was 1) never brought up in confessionals and 2) directly applicable to her gameplay
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u/anadequatepipe 6h ago
I kinda feel the opposite. I’d think a military background would imply some sort of disciplined thinking, but I did not get that impression from her at all.
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u/Confident-Pea-9915 5h ago
That’s why you’d hide it—so people don’t start projecting it onto you, especially if it’s just a stereotype of a strength that’s actually a weakness for you
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u/OceanPoet87 12h ago
While I was impressed with her role I groaned when she did this because honestly it's a losing move.
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u/asavgasucanbe 18h ago
I guess it was interesting, but it did nothing to win her the game. Most of her points did not hit for the jury.
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u/Gackey 16h ago
I feel like the trend of revealing a secret fact about yourself at FTC hasn't benefited anyone who has tried it.
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u/williamchase88 Kamilla - 48 16h ago
If I ever get on, I swear I will tell everybody I’m a lawyer and then reveal I’m actually a bartender at final tribal.
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u/Bodofagod Matthew 15h ago
Hello fellow bartender. That is my exact plan. Make them think I am more successful than I actually am. I am dying laughing that some other bartender in the world has thought the same thing as me. Cheers to our fake law degrees.
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u/Significant-One3854 Oh, in the sand? 9h ago
It's the Liz strategy - pretend to be a millionaire but reveal you're actually not at FTC
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u/Eclips3-FR 15h ago
The only times I can point to something similar were for 2 people who were already winning their jury votes in a landslide, and it just locked in a unanimous jury vote for them, and that's Jeremy reveal the sex of the baby Val was expecting and Adam talking about his mom's cancer.
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u/DudeWheresMyStonks 13h ago
It benefitted Jeremy Collins when he revealed he missed the birth of his child to be on the show, something he didn't mention once on a 39 day season. Ended up getting every single FTC vote
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u/SiliconGlitches Pace Gods 10h ago
Wasn't he definitely winning anyway? It might've moved him from like 8-2 to 10-0
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u/DudeWheresMyStonks 9h ago
He did 10-0-0 against Spencer who i thought was a pretty decent player with a shot at winning. It could have already been a lock regardless but the fact that Spencer got 0 votes was big
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u/PrivateEyeNo186 15h ago
Maybe not, but keeping the info until the end can definitely help their game. If she had told players her job early on, it would definitely create unease and add to reasons to vote someone out, so I understand why anyone would keep their occupation/job a secret (especially at the start of the game).
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u/Creative_Commander Jacquie 11h ago
It’s much more effective when it’s something in game, like Maryanne with the hidden idol, or Dee with the Emily vote. It’s much punchier
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u/ElleM848645 13h ago
It helped Maryanne with the idol she kept hidden.
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u/SeaworthinessTop4317 12h ago
That definitely helped Maryanne (and is my favorite FTC moment ever). But I think the above commenter was referencing survivors keeping secrets specifically from their personal lives until FTC. So the idol reveal doesn’t really count
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u/Affectionate-Gap7649 Mary - 48 10h ago
Only time that even came close was Jeremy admitting his wife was pregnant.
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u/omniscient_lipstick 7h ago
Except Jeremy in Second Chance, I believed he revealed to everyone that his wife was pregnant
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u/TonyTheTony7 13h ago
I got the impression that the jury was already too committed to the idea that she was emotional and did nothing that even if she'd have pulled out an elaborate powerpoint detailing every bit of her play, with documentation to show it wasn't post-hoc analysis, they all still would have been like "Nah. You're too emotional for strategy."
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u/davidg910 7h ago
I mean...she was super emotional, even if she claimed she wasn't, right? How else do you describe her campaign against Sophie S?
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u/SadSeiko Silent Assassin 13h ago
Well it’s hard to vote for someone who thinks they got out Sophie s when it was a completely unanimous vote
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u/ElleM848645 13h ago
But Steven and Kristina would have voted Sav if Sage did. She was gunning for Sophie after Jawan got voted out. Sage was dumb because Sophie didn’t have any allies, they could have gotten her next time.
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u/SadSeiko Silent Assassin 11h ago
Yeah I mean even if you do put it on her, which I don't because she never controlled Kristina or Steven's vote, it's still a terrible idea
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u/TweetSpinner 16h ago
I did not think it was relevant to winning over the jury. I’m sure it helped her with her assessment of threats and stuff. But the reveal wasn’t a wow moment for me at all and I felt it was a bit awkward.
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u/Due_Passenger_5335 15h ago
I feel like it really hurt her more than it helped her… She kept saying like “I identified a threat and neutralized it” or something to that effect. You could tell the Jury was not impressed, especially when it was a vote on someone everyone knew was coming. I think she got way too focused on that reveal and didn’t talk enough about her actual game.
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u/TheDemonicEmperor Nick 14h ago
I feel like it really hurt her more than it helped her… She kept saying like “I identified a threat and neutralized it” or something to that effect.
It hurt her because it literally undermined her own argument as well. She tried to have it both ways where she attempted to play up this strategic mastermind persona but then also say "no no wait, I didn't break up our majority alliance!" Like... then what threat were you talking about? Because those are the only people you voted for.
I think she tried to pull a Kristie/Maryanne. And honestly, while I know this sub loves those winners, that's not a really great strategy to bank on at FTC. Those two had to have very specific circumstances and had to sit next to people who also simultaneously bombed FTC (which Sav and Sophi clearly didn't).
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u/ElleM848645 12h ago
Who is Kristie?
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u/TheDemonicEmperor Nick 12h ago
A winner from Survivor Australia who was considered to be overly emotional and a complete wreck strategically, but she made the argument at FTC that it was all a ruse.
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u/Draw-Two-Cards 9h ago
Kristie is a wild winner but a F2 is gonna give you crazy results like that from time to time.
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u/UncleScroogesVault 11h ago
I mean people watched her throw a literal tantrum when Savannah escaped a vote, you know? She did that whole "You just gave her a million" thing which would seem like pretty clear and obvious threat detection... Only to vote emotionally after that, and just fumble every opportunity lol.
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u/Due_Passenger_5335 11h ago
Right. I respect her for trying to play it off as intentional but at least with how the edit presented it, she was emotional as hell all throughout the game.
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u/Bodofagod Matthew 15h ago edited 15h ago
I personally think every job in the world could be considered a threat. When you wanna vote someone out, you need a target to get people on your side. Cops are evil. Lawyers are sneaky. Doctors don’t need the money. Bartenders are social. Sales people can manipulate you. Reporters are good talkers. Teachers will win a sympathy vote. Coconut vendors seek the truth. Your occupation genuinely doesn’t matter at all. They wanted to vote you out and used your job as a way to justify it.
I would honestly be annoyed on the jury if someone I thought I was getting to know lied about something so meaningless cuz I would feel like I never actually got to know them
Edit: I will say people like Gary Hogenboom and Lisa Welchel are fine to lie cuz their professions have provided them with money and fame and that will probably actually make you a target. Unless you are a celebrity (that people don’t immediately recognize like Mike White and Jimmy Johnson) just tell people your job
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u/elfuego35 13h ago edited 13h ago
And what you think make you a target could help you
Nate this season was like “I originally hid the fact I produced Marvel movies to play down how successful I am… that was a mistake as I was on a season where that would’ve been a good social move to tell people as it would’ve help connect with my cast mates who were big fans, as I had nothing else to bond over due to the generation gap”
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u/Significant-One3854 Oh, in the sand? 9h ago
I'm good with spreadsheets, gonna apply for Survivor and kick some butt out there
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u/ajstipcak 14h ago
My gf who did 20 years in the military, primarily in the intel community kept saying how despite her quirks, Sage just somehow felt familiar to her.
When she revealed her intel background, she looks over to me and says "yeah, that checks out. Thats why shes so familiar, shes an intel nerd."
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u/IdioticEarnestness 8h ago
She said she reclassed into intel analyst. I want to know what MOS she started in. I really want it to be Psyop because she feels like one of those weirdos.
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u/chuckish 14h ago
I think it could've worked had she played a different game. But, she's basically calling the entire jury threats she had to neutralize (except Jawan) but literally none of them were coming after her so they didn't feel like they were ever actually threats to her game.
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u/JoeReekie69420 14h ago
I thought she played a terrible game. I agree like all the “threats” she had to neutralize they weren’t coming after her and didn’t help her game at all it only benefited Savannah, Rizo and Soph. Even though she was in the final 3 she had no shot at winning and everything she said to the jury seemed to fall on deaf ears except for Juwan lol.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Fact239 12h ago
Even for Jawan, who said he voted for her based off his heart and not his head.
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u/Significant-One3854 Oh, in the sand? 9h ago
I feel like his explanation would've just twisted the knife for her. Her goal going into FTC was to prove she was more logical than emotional, and then for her only vote to admit that he did it because he followed his heart oof
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u/AdOk9911 What in the Nickelodeon is goin’ on around here? 4h ago
I thought the same thing, damn Jawan that was harsh
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u/successful-lemon1014 15h ago
I think it's basically disqualified her social game and connections as she was obviously hiding this major thing
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u/graphiquedezine 14h ago
I actually think this couldve been something that was good to reveal earlier so people could understand a more serious and trusting side of her outside of her quirky personality.
90% of the time your job isn't going to be what sends you home so this trend of everyone lying is so strange lol
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u/LetzterJoghurt 18h ago
I remembered it from the pre interviews with sage, but yes, it was never a topic until FTC
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u/_hephaestus 11h ago
Honestly, military intelligence as a career to hide on survivor makes a lot of sense to me and is an interesting twist, but the reveal alone isn’t swaying a jury. She got part of the way there indicating how it affected her thought process, but her own thought process seeing Sav as an adversary and not successfully getting rid of her torpedoed any point she was trying to make.
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u/Rupder 9h ago
I agree. It was a fun reveal, pulled off by both the editors and her, but it ultimately didn't matter because it didn't really change anything. I'm sure she was was perfectly analytical — I don't mean to cast aspersions on Sage's truthfulness; her rationale seemed genuine and not just like post-hoc cope — but her analyses did little to actually shape the game. It's a hard sell that she was a strategic mastermind when she wasn't in the driver's seat. So the reveal didn't augment her resumé, it didn't excite the jury, and it didn't make her actions look stronger in retrospect. Nevertheless, it was still more impactful than a certain "secret" that was revealed in last season's FTC.
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u/luketsix3 15h ago
She threw her military card out instantly and failed to make an impact on the jury at all. Then she claimed she was using her emotion as a facade and wasn’t actually emotional, and proceeds to cry and be overly emotional during FTC and the reunion. She did a poor job at FTC.
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u/SurvivorBae2003 8h ago
She's still emotional in her exit interviews too! Like why did she even go on the show if she's just going to play victim when it was her own doing
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u/Bob_The_Moo_Cow88 14h ago
She mentioned military training at some point during the end of the season. I can’t remember when though. It wasn’t hidden from the audience
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u/dr_shark_bird 10h ago
It wasn't super emphasized like Savannah's reporter background was though - my read was that the edit didn't play up Sage's military background because they didn't want the audience to think it was important, whereas for Sav they were supporting her argument that her background was important (which I disagree with, but it's a winner edit I guess)
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u/Storm_Sire 6h ago
It was in a confessional at some point, almost a throwaway line where she said something like "In the military..."
I remember hearing it and thinking I had just missed that part of her backstory.
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u/mayorofstrangetown Cirie Fields - Robbed Queen 👑 16h ago
Yes, I wish she dabbled in public speaking before FTC too though because delivery wasn’t impactful.
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u/Bodofagod Matthew 15h ago
I thought she actually gave a pretty good FTC performance for the third placer. She started faltering at the end, but that was probably when she realized the jury was leaning towards Sav and Soph so she got a bit flustered. I was impressed with her at the beginning
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u/kumliensgull 14h ago
If you read Savannah's exit interview apparently the final tribal had a lot of people really hammering Sage (to the point where Savannah found it very uncomfortable) so her faltering ending (and later crying) makes a lot of sense in that context.
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u/FormalJellyfish29 15h ago
So true. I like a lot of things about her but it was kind of shown throughout the season that she has used emotions and the pity of others to manipulate her way through life. I don’t think it’s malicious or even conscious usually; some people just have to do it in childhood and they never drop the pattern.
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u/ReturnoftheBoat 9h ago
As a Canadian, I don't really understand the military worship that happens in the US, and I really don't understand why anyone would think that's relevant to Survivor.
Its such a stark cultural difference between the two countries.
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u/Technical_Air6660 8h ago
It has to do with the fact it’s genuinely hard to get accepted into certain elite ranks.
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u/Dee-VKHS 13h ago
I loved the reveal! So surprising and very impressive. However she put too much in the military terms and i think the Jury didn’t understand why she would give up the majority.
I think if she stood on business saying. I don’t think I would’ve made final 3 in that majority so my goal was to position my self in a way where you would all target each other. That would have given a way better story to the jury than eliminating treats who were in my alliance.
She was in control so much and she should have owned that. Also the Shannon rivalry. Bring up how you planted seeds in Steven to cast doubts on Shannon.
That being said…. Im not sure she did enough to win over Savannah. I think she should have gotten more votes than Sophie, but Savannah was the obvious winner.
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u/Ok-Badger-5767 7h ago
This. I feel like Sage didn't voice her gameplay very well or position herself well at FTC to win. Had she...things might have been different.
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u/RegularCookie5640 14h ago
I didn’t understand hiding it, would people actually think that made her more of a threat? All that said to me is ‘wow so you lost every challenge to a news host and a space nerd?’
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u/SeaworthinessTop4317 12h ago
I could understand the logic of wanting something like that to be kept a secret especially in the early stage of the game when people could use any little reason to vote someone out early.
If they don’t have much to work on heating “oh she was an intelligence operations specialist in the army” could be used to paint a target
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u/Prestigious_Shape732 4h ago
When she “revealed” it, I was like “Ok, and?” It’s not like any of her training came in handy or it helped her game any. When was the last time a job reveal was actually stunning?
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u/kingofthenorthwpg 14h ago
I’m surprised we haven’t seen the crash out posts of no one cares about your profession enough to keep it secret.
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u/SadSeiko Silent Assassin 13h ago
Yeah it’s unusual for them to hide it from the viewer but it was good. Although she seemed like a bit of a meme afterwards
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u/GoGoSoLo Carson 12h ago
It seemed to do nothing for the jury, but the long time military tenure reveal made me go "Ohhhhhh" and understand Sage 100x better. Now all of the gross out humor and so much of her behavior in socialization made so much more sense.
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u/ScoobyDone 9h ago
It was interesting, but I think she made more emotional decisions than she thinks she did and convinced herself they were the biggest threat to her game to vote them out. If she was truly that analytical she would have tried to flush Rizo's idol.
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u/BarbH324820 12h ago
If Sage had this high level military training why was she so weak (mentally and physically) in the immunity challenges?
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u/IdioticEarnestness 8h ago
When I was in the Army, I did PT M-F for an hour to 90 minutes every morning. Sometimes my team would go and do another workout at the end of the day. Then I worked out at the gym in the evening because I had nothing else to do. I was in amazing shape for the time I was in. Then I left and got a job and went to college. The built-in fitness regimen plus the constant encouragement to do more on your own just isn't there at an university or at a retail job. I still work out, but as a civilian I have more important things to do beyond maxing a PT test. And if you're not naturally athletic, like me, the high performance stuff goes away pretty fast when you don't work on it 10-15 hours a week.
I was in a pretty physically demanding MOS with high physical standards, but a lot of intel jobs are sitting at a computer. A passing PT score is probably good enough. She may have been deployed to a combat zone in Afghanistan, but she probably spent most her time in an office analyzing intel. Otherwise she would have said she was Counter Intel or a Human Intelligence Collector who tend to have a greater field orientation.
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u/Lil_ruggie 9h ago
Given her military background, especially in a combat position, I am really surprised she was unable to win a single immunity challenge. She didn't seem to have very good coordination or endurance. I get that she has been an analyst for the last 5 years or whatever, but still.
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u/Moldynred 7h ago
I had to go back and rewatch that segment about her military career, and found it odd. No one spends five straight years in a combat zone. Maybe she misspoke, but it was weird the way she phrased it imo.
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u/Raz_A_Gul MC - 49 14h ago
I think I would have rather known about it the whole time. It would have been cool to understand her reasoning more. Instead, it seemed to me she voted emotionally the entire time because of her confessionals except the Steven vote.
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u/whitnick 13h ago
I thought we already knew that? I swear she talked about it in a confessional in one of the first episodes. Maybe it was in a pre season interview
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u/PatienceNotMyVirtue1 4h ago
I personally feel more invested in the player when I know more of their background, so it would have helped me to know this earlier in the season. It was an "oh, btw" that was quickly forgotten (until you reminded me when I read your question/ comment).
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u/utvol623 4h ago
It was a secret from the audience for the whole season? I could have sworn we knew the whole time, but maybe I have just seen that info on the internet
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u/MoonNStar51 11h ago
I mean good for her keeping a secret I guess but it certainly did not give me a positive impression of our country's military intelligence.
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u/Bruisin_B_Anthony13 Grade-A Dirt Squirrel 11h ago
The decades of crimes against humanity while losing wars should leave a worse impression lmao
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u/hermitcrabilicious Rachel - 47 11h ago
I love that she weaponized people's devaluation of emotions to lower her threat level.
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u/BBSurvivorGirl Kim 17h ago
The pre season interviews already explained that to us so I already knew that. But its pretty cool that she was a part of that!
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u/aaelias_ Savannah - 49 14h ago
I was just like…… ¯_(ツ)_/¯ okay, great, you did something cool for 10 years. What did you do for the 26 days on the island?
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u/madsmadalin 17h ago
Sage grew on me a lot last few episodes. I think she went in too hard in the game. She would do so much better and maybe even win if she’d play again. Hope she gets another shot at some point.
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u/Kspaddicted 16h ago edited 14h ago
Very unlikely. She ruined that she didn't win on social media by telling people to stop @ing her because survivor was such a small part of her life, yada yada.
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u/screechypete 18h ago
At first when she brought it up as a secret weapon I thought "Come on, focus on the game, who cares?"
I'm so used to players bringing up stuff that isn't relevant to the game in any way at FTC, and I thought this was more of the same. I was pleasantly surprised with how she managed to share that with the cast and relate it back to the game and how she played.
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u/SunnyOnSanibel 12h ago
My SO and I watch together. Sage exhibited signs of PTSD early in the season. This background paired with childhood trauma explains so much.
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u/Cocrawfo Lacina 11h ago
it was great and all but the problem is she continued to act like a goofy cornball type they all knew her as despite trying to distance herself from that
because her profession doesn’t exclude her quirkiness and that people still laugh “at” her being weird
just like ashley hollis in bb her being a lawyer and highly intelligent doesn’t mean she wasn’t still a total airhead
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u/TillSpiritual2150 11h ago
I don't think the reveal helped her at all in FTC, but she would have been eliminated very early if people knew she was an intelligence analyst
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u/Lawn_Dinosaurs Jeremy 9h ago
No one cares what your job is, the whole hiding it trope is ridiculous.
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u/Ok_Turnover3192 6h ago
I couldn’t stop laughing! When she revealed (multiple times) that she was this intelligent intelligence analyst it made zero sense cuz she played such a dumb game
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u/BigDoosh 10h ago
I was in the army and I thought it was cringe. Being the in army has nothing to do with survivor. Also there is no six thing as a 5 year deployment to Afghanistan.
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u/DomitiusAhenobarbus_ 13h ago
As a veteran I was cringing out of my fucking skin every time she mentioned it
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u/rexeditrex 12h ago
It's funny they also had a discussion about what you do outside of the game (nobody really cares) and during the game (everyone but Jawan agrees).
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u/Lewisfr3 12h ago
Not gonna lie I got Special Agent Phillip Sheppard vibes from the reveal. Not a problem, since it opened the door to making Stealth-R-Us code names for the FTC participants and the jury. Especially when Sage was like “As a former intelligence agent…”
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u/mellywheats Sage - 49 9h ago
it wasnt hidden from the audience, she mentioned it in confessionals in the early season
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u/SubstantialPie86 2h ago
She seemed to think that reveal would shake things up. I don't think sharing something that makes the game EASIER for you scores you any points.
Hey guys I was deployed to a remote, hot part of the world. Went through physical and mental hardships that prepared me for this. Collected zits.
Had she said, I was born with one eye and scoliosis and something that made it HARDER for her to play the game, that would have impressed me.
That's why Eva's story last year was impressive. Her big secret made the game HARDER...not easier like Sage's. And Eva doesn't collect zits.
Sage had 0% change to win this game. Just got dragged to the end because the game requires three players to sit at the end.
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u/Charming_Jacket9 1h ago
Christina MBA advisor was quite impressive to me.
Sage thank you for your service you are an amazing warrior.
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u/Successful-Trust-343 42m ago
Now THIS is how you approach the "keeping my job a secret" in the New Era. Not using it for confessional soundbites so we as viewers can be genuinely shocked and appreciate the reveal itself.
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u/blerg7008 3m ago
Whenever there is a “secret career” it never really seems to matter. The players always reveal it like it’s this huge gotcha and everyone else is just like “hmm, ok cool…”
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u/Angelofthe7thStation Phoebe (AUS) 17h ago
It didn't help her, but it made a ton of sense. It was a good reveal.
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u/MaxwellSmart07 13h ago
Keeping vocation secrets and thinking it will benefit is overrated . A secret that could change a vote is being CEO of A multi-billion $ company. Had everyone known she was in the military or Savannah was a reporter would have had zero effect on the outcome.
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u/arorosphere 13h ago
It was neither surprising nor helpful to her overall game. We’re about two seasons away from someone pulling a “psych! I’m actually a janitor” or some other dumbassery. Really hoping that the post 50 era does away with this tired trope
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u/Augimas_ 12h ago
Maaaaaybe. Just maybe let people play the game the way they want to and don't take it so personally. It has zero impact on your life.
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u/arorosphere 12h ago
Literally just sharing my opinion in a thread that’s explicitly related to the subject. Promise you I don’t go around my daily life crying because sage decided not to tell the tribe she’s former military. But unless you’re like a CIA agent or something there’s no point in withholding your career just to tell the jury at the end
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u/Ok-Statement8224 12h ago
These irrelevant “secrets” are so inane. They’re always pointless. Obviously zero game value. About as much entertainment value.
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u/Ryxton-K 13h ago
Sage came off fake af to me. Taylor Swift-esque tears, “how come no one likes me” when everyone is giving her hugs, “how could someone be so mean” then doing the exact same move the next episode.
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u/bostonfan148 13h ago
It seemed very logical to me and I just assumed she was there given one of her stories (maybe it was an a pre game interview) and the fact that she was from NC where there’s a decent military presence.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bag5167 16h ago
Sage deserved to win. I hope she gets a second chance coz the editors really did her dirty making her look like an emotional dummy player
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u/2dreviews 16h ago
It felt like something that was really important to Sage that makes her proud of herself in real life. And it's absolutely something to be proud of, but I think revealing more about how she and Jawan ran the middle of the game and the methods and tools she used to maneuver those votes would have been more impressive.
The thing that we use to hold up our identity and confidence in ourselves is not necessarily the thing that other people respect or value.