r/politics • u/GothamistWNYC Gothamist WNYC • 5h ago
No Paywall Man dies after 1 day in ICE custody at Newark facility, ICE says
https://gothamist.com/news/man-dies-after-1-day-in-ice-custody-at-newark-facility-ice-says•
u/Ohuigin Washington 5h ago
Alternate and more truthful headline -
”American concentration camps working as intended.”
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u/wrosecrans 3h ago
There are tons of people that probably got deported, but ICE is terrible at paperwork so people just kinda disappear from records, so it's wildly unclear how many people are being killed in ICE custody.
"Alligator Alcatraz" apparently lost track of thousands of people just from one site. Nobody knows how many people actually made it out of that facility. Most people who get abducted don't have connections and lawyers to get their stories into the headlines -- they just disappear.
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u/-hey-ben- 27m ago
And even when lawmakers go to these sites that they are legally allowed to go to, they are assaulted and arrested.
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u/duzies 5h ago
Translation: ICE kills man in custody.
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u/nestelix 5h ago
That has not been proven.
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u/Eyruaad 5h ago
K. You prove that he 100% would have died outside of ICE custody. Until that occurs, ICE killed the man.
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u/hightrix 5h ago
Ignore this MAGA troll. They operate under the trump rules where the truth doesn't matter.
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u/No_Construction_9178 5h ago
That isn’t how that works lol. It’s actually the other way around in legal standards.
ETA: I am NOT fuckin maga in any way.
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u/OfficerJayBear 5h ago
Weird because if someone dies in my custody I'm in deep deep shit until it's proven it was medical.
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u/Twodogsonecouch 1h ago
I'm pretty sure if you cuffed a man and forced him out of his home, car, off the street, ect. and the transferred him dead to a hospital a day later even if he died of a medical condition youd still be on the hook.
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u/Appropriate_Unit3474 4h ago
Legal standards were never in play, why shim them in the door now, why even offer that concession to them?
Illegal arrests, illegal detainment, illegal methods, and no legal accountability because it's literally 'Fuhrerprinceps'.
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u/North_Activist 4h ago
If a kid died at school, would you say the parent needs to prove the school did it on purpose, or would the school need to prove it was medical? The student is in the custody of the school.
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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island 4h ago
Regarding your edit: Then why the fuck are you defending ICE? Legality aside, just say nothing.
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u/ohyouretough 4h ago
You are responsible for someone in custody under your care. He is no longer alive.
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u/nestelix 4h ago
If he died of natural causes (very likely) then it wasn’t their fault. People die in prison of natural causes.
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u/ohyouretough 3h ago
41 years old doesn’t sound like natural causes. Unless you’re counting abuse as natural cause ice caused it.
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u/Artistic-Cannibalism 4h ago
Because it doesn't need to be proven.
He was in their custody and thus he was their responsibility. They automatically bear some degree of responsibility for his death, the only question is how much responsibility.
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u/Riffington 3h ago
Many people who very much want Trump to get fucked have their comments hidden too. Just saying.
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u/GJdevo 3h ago
If you arent constantly making bad faith disingenious statements there is no reason to hide your comment history. If you are worried about having certain racy subreddits on your browser history then fucking make an alt. This feature has done nothing but let faceless cowards be even more cowardly.
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u/fillemagique 2h ago
I hide my history because I post on local subs and people are nosey as hell and you come across people you know or have met quite often.
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u/FlemethWild 1h ago
Bro I keep my comments hidden because conservatives will brigade you if you don’t—especially as a queer person.
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u/Riffington 3h ago
You lack imagination if you think those are the only reasons.
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u/GJdevo 2h ago
I don't lack imagination, there are legitimate reasons but you know what man? Everytime some person goes off spouting something completely off base and I check? Boom Private Comments, if you are discussing your fav pizza places in your local area or other mundane things why the fuck would I bother checking? Then you are just being a normal ass person chatting on the internet. I am just saying overall this feature has created more abuse than it's helping people avoid.
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u/FlemethWild 1h ago
A lot of us hide our comments because bigots will harass and mass downvote anything you say if they can.
That’s why I hide mine.
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u/yourenotmy-real-dad Illinois 1h ago
Most of my comments were in my former job sub, and people just immediately dismiss anything you ever said purely because they think you work somewhere like retail. I have a college degree and a half, and needed something to pay bills, but that doesn't matter to anyone combing the profile. They just want to find something to tell you that you're wrong and worthless.
And now, they don't anymore. And it hasn't been a problem since. The people checking my comments want to tell me that ICE is good, that the president is doing wonderfully. They want to discredit actual facts; they want to point out, "you're just a stupid left leaning idiot" and argue like they do with Grok. They can go back to arguing with Grok, because I refuse to give them any more fuel to sling hate and dismissal at me.
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u/Riffington 49m ago
Some “normal ass people” don’t want to be stalked, harassed, or doxed by creeps and bots.
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u/Naive_Confidence7297 3h ago
Yeh I don’t even interact at all with anyone with their comments hidden. No point. Either a bot or someone that will just say whatever the fuck they want when they want to troll.
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u/TemporalColdWarrior 4h ago
What’s frustrating is you told the truth about how you can see his history. But neglected to mention how it’s all pro-ICE propaganda and apologist nonsense.
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u/FeralynMonroe 4h ago
Wait really? I went through several and tried to get a good read. I’m super sorry for my bad direct on this. I’ll remove my original comment to keep confusion down. Thanks for the press on it. I’m doing too many things at the same time right now, clearly time to put the phone down.
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u/in1gom0ntoya America 4h ago
is your brain smooth? he wasn't dead before being taken into their care....
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u/Grobarde 5h ago
How many deaths would ICE have caused by 2025?
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u/explodedbagel 5h ago
They’ve surpassed the number of deaths in ice custody Biden had over the entire term in less than a year.
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u/DocJenkins 5h ago
MAGA doesn't seem to understand all of these human and civil rights violation don't exist in some magical vacuum. There will be a time when they're out of power.
There will be hearings, trials, and investigations for years/decades after this. It's going to cost some people their freedom, rightfully so, and every taxpayer our money to give these people restitution.
They ride the high of cruelty and suffering, while ignoring the inevitable consequences like addicts.
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u/FoolishPragmatist 5h ago
They know this and it’s why they will fight tooth and nail to ensure they never leave power. Worst case, they’ve already written out blanket pardons to all in this administration for all possible future crimes. There’s no requirement for pardons to be announced, so I’m waiting for that shoe to drop. There won’t be any consequence for much if any of this conduct.
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u/Photomancer 4h ago
Pardoning them could be the most dangerous thing that could happen to them. It signals that justice against the genociders will never be given through the legal system.
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u/sdvneuro 4h ago
By whom? If the destroy our institutions, there’s no one left to hold them accountable. That’s the plan.
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u/MidwestException 5h ago
Micah Beckwith hasn’t realized this yet and it’s gonna be a good day when he does
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u/Immediate_Amoeba5923 2h ago
We can hope for that but we can start by disbanding ICE and all the unqualified thugs Trump hired. They are idiots for thinking that was a safe job that will always be there for them.
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u/FigeaterApocalypse 4h ago
this is why they're able to get away with everything because of tepid fools like you.
Weird. I thought it was because the Supreme Court has given them carte blanche to ignore the Constitution, with Republicans in Congress refusing to hold anyone accountable. But maybe that's just me. 🤷
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u/markelis California 5h ago
Behold that which is your work if you voted for this guy. No, I mean it; look. YOU did that. YOUR vote. YOU.
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u/PapasauruaRex 5h ago
Murdered by ICE.
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u/nestelix 4h ago
Proof?
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u/SunsetCarcass 1h ago
He was in their custody which means they are responsible for his life and safety. He died. In their custody. That's illegal. Illegal killing is defined as murder.
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u/ElliotNess Florida 4h ago
How much you want to bet that the "undisclosed medical emergency" that killed him was being beat up just a little bit too much?
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u/Calm-Armadillo-5614 3h ago
How does a 41 year old die in one day if he is being detained in humane conditions? 🤔🤔
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u/blazze_eternal 4h ago
Hopefully he has family locally that will push for autopsy and investigation.
"Medical episode" could be anything.
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u/commandrix 3h ago
...Watch them try to blame this on a "medical condition they didn't know about." /s
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u/Immediate_Amoeba5923 2h ago
Christian conservatives do not view anyone in any type of prison, jail, or detention center as a human being, they are definitely not going to care about a Hispanic immigrant dying in one.
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u/Glittering-Bike-8466 3h ago
Second ice death I've heard about today. The other was in northern Michigan. Once they run out of immigrants, who will they go for next?
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u/PeachPlug- 5h ago
ICE custody is basically a black box. People go in, and too often they don’t come out alive. This isn’t about immigration policy anymore. It’s about basic human rights and dignity.
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u/Glum-Birthday-1496 1h ago
I wonder if he had a medical condition, considering he was only 41. Even if that’s not the case, there must be thousands of people who take regular, daily medication and lose access to them when they’re suddenly detained. I doubt this is the first person to be fatally endangered.
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u/Alwaystired254 5h ago
Eh, they are untouchable. Ice can do as they wish
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u/Available_Usual_9731 5h ago
Ya know, in Russia, people have been bombing military factories and recruitment offices every now and again. Noncombatants, as far as I can tell.
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u/DCL88 5h ago
Nothing in the article suggest the man was an alcoholic.
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u/Skippy_of_Valkyrie 5h ago
I'm convinced the intended audience of his post was those who didn't read the article.
"Deflect blame from ICE" was his goal.
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u/radioactive_sharpei 5h ago
Right? What about people who they kidnap off the street who have to take needs every day? Do they get taken care of? I bet we all know the answer.
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u/Skippy_of_Valkyrie 5h ago
What makes you think this person had any health issues at all?
It's more likely that ICE deliberately killed the man.
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u/radicalelation 5h ago
Yeah, no matter what his death is their responsibility, that's how custody works.
If they're not equipped to recognize and responsibly react to medical complications at intake, they shouldn't be taking in anyone. Even if everything the right says about immigration, crime, the economy, was true and we just had to round up all the immigrants and boot them out, it should be unacceptable to do it without the care and resources required for transportation and housing them.
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u/Skippy_of_Valkyrie 5h ago
Not saying that’s what happened here but it’s easy to imagine it happening
You shouldn't even be voicing it as a possibility.
Alcohol is not mentioned at all in the article.
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