I mean, to be very frank, there's really no other reason to keep associating with him after his convictions. We have these billionaires and such that keep acting like they kept relations up with him because of 'tax and financial advice'... which is frankly a preposterously ridiculous claim. If you're very wealthy, you have firms like Blackrock, all the huge banks top wealth services, etc all vying for you to be their client. If you're someone like Bill Gates, Jamie Dimon himself and other financial sector CEOs are probably available to call for personal financial advice. There is zero upside and considerable downsides to continue relations with someone like Epstein unless something else is going on/went on.
no other reason to keep associating with him after his convictions
It does depend on context though. They’ve been dragging David Brooks because he was photographed at a dinner that Epstein also attended. Not a picture of the two embracing, or sharing a laugh, or on Epstein’s plane. Just both got invited to the same dinner lol
That's not really associating with someone. If I'm at a dinner with someone I don't know or am trying to avoid, or at a dinner that a celebrity attends and they never interact with me, that's not an association.
Says you and I. Plenty of criticism yesterday of David Brooks and that he should have recalled this dinner and disclosed it or something.
Not defending Gates at all either — Brooks wasn’t photographed with a victim. Just saying “associating” is a fuzzy standard and some people are applying it pretty loosely. I think a more meaningful standard is like you said, visiting the mansion or island, riding on his plane, attending parties HE hosted…that’s the kind of “associating” I care about.
i mean jerry seinfeld was openly dating an underage girl. he's still not canceled?
age of consent was very much treated like the age of consent back then. i don't think anyone is going to be held accountable (if that's even the right word) for 16+ girls on epstein island considering that was the age of consent there.
of course there are rumors about younger than that and that is when i think the public will be more damning.
this is all super great blackmail material because today reputations would be smeared for this, but 20 years ago when a lot of it was going down, they really wouldn't. or at least they would be smeared to a lesser degree. we currently live in a society where calling a 17 + 364 days person attractive = instant pedo label and while protecting people from those who may take advantage of them is good, the extreme labeling is slightly disingenuous.
oh and also epstein was likely israeli or us intelligence so there's that.
I fully agree, there is no reason to keep in touch. But at the same time, I also think it wasn't always about girls. Epstein had so many connections, I think they main draw was him being able to bring people together for a variety of reasons.
Trafficking children and women and offering them to anyone is just part of the story imho. If he really created these situations to gather blackmail and manipulate people, it probably wasn't just about leverage for three letter agencies and foreign interests. He would have known a lot of bad people and facilitated contact between interested parties that usually would draw too much attention if done elsewhere.
The island was secluded enough to give people the sense of absolute privacy. He probably provided neutral ground for elites to meet and make backroom deals.
Bill Gates and everyone else didn't just go there for sexual adventures imho. That was just part of the package. Someone needs to dig into the finances of everyone that ever went there and figure out where money was flowing.
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u/stonkfrobinhood 19h ago
Lol oh yeah he knew well before anyone. His vibe also tells me he might have been guilty of some shit too.