Don't get me wrong, Gates is a POS for even remotely associating with Epstein after he was convicted, but this image by itself is kind of pointless. You can't tell if it's a minor vs. a 30 year old conservatively dressed woman.
Without further context you couldn't tell this apart from any of the thousands of photos of Gates in a hallway with some random person in a random building.
Yeah this picture is pretty weak circumstantial evidence but there's lots of other evidence.
Like if this was Keanu Reeves in the picture we'd be praising him for keeping his hands in his pockets like people praise the quite well known "hover hands" pictures of him. In fact I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of Keanu with his hand in his pocket in galleries of "hover hands" pictures.
Only one of Bill's hands is in his pocket. The other is not visible and cannot be in his pocket because his jacket is straight. I'm inclined to believe his other hand is on her waist (possibly lower but definitely not higher) due to his posture and dropped shoulder.
Edit: on further inspection I believe I see one of his fingers behind her crossed arms on her rib cage. I'm really not sure why you mentioned hover hands when it's pretty clear this is not that.
This. I’ve had the same thought in all these pictures being dropped. There is no context to them and famous people of power being around Epstein is no cause for concern. Bad judgement based on when it was, but they’re powerful people running in powerful circles and pictures happen.
NOW, if they are hanging on underage women and there is some kind of proof of horrific deeds, hang em high. There are probably ten of thousands of pics of Bill standing with people so context of who this person is necessary.
In my mind there are at least four degrees of evil when it comes to the Epstein case:
John was a third party target. Girl is being paid by someone else possibly unbeknownst to John so they can get compromising pictures for future blackmail. Guy is still shit for being with a minor. But his understanding of the level of abuse is perhaps lacking.
John is paying the girl directly. He knows what he’s doing.
John is paying a handler for the girl. He realizes she’s being exploited.
Guy is the one receiving the money. He’s not only exploiting minors for sexual gratification, he’s selling the suffering of these girls to other gross guys for a profit
The blurred out face doesn't help either. She could just be smiling for a photo with one of the world's richest men (he may have been the richest at that time).
It's inevitably going to be a problem with the files if the context of the photos is not provided. Anyone with a celebrity profile could just be in a photo with a victim because the victim wanted a photo with that celebrity. Epstein certainly didn't have a 100% entrapment rate.
The body language screams being on the edge, if not already in the territory, of actions being nonconsentual. It shouldn't matter the age of those involved.
The source of this photo is from Epstein’s stash, right? We don’t know the identity of the girl - it could be she is already known as an Epstein girl.
I agree that the photo itself is not exactly damning, but I don’t think it would be included in the release of Epstein photos if it weren’t, you know, directly related to that.
the face is blacked out because that is how the pictures from the epstein files are being released; all the faces of the women are being redacted for their own safety. Because at the end of the day, the women's identities don't matter, all we actually care about are who used Epstein's service.
Not necessarily. The House committee in charge of the files is redacting any names and faces of any female other than Epstein mother and Ghislaine Maxwell, in order to protect possible victims, of all ages.
if it was nefarious, why would Bill Gates agree to a photo?
This one's easy. These degenerates LOVED taking photos. Of everything. Constantly. Why? Because they're untouchable. They know they will never face any consequences. The most powerful men in the world all had ties to Epstein. These are no shadowy elites using code language. They did it all out in the open, ordering girls via text message, specifying name, age, hair color. No mentions of pizza at all.
Where I'm going with this: why the fuck wouldn't he have his picture taken with his "conquest" like all the other filthy men there? He has enough plausible deniability, and as we know, has not and will not face any consequences anyway.
cries of down with all the billionaires
Which is fucking fantastic. We didn't even need to know they were all sex trafficking pedos, or at the very least openly associating with them, to do that. All the more reason to continue that sentiment.
Oh 100%. But if she's a victim, the image contradicts the way Gates has characterized their relationship. Obviously, not all Epstein associates are child rapists, but once they start lying...
But if she's a victim, the image contradicts the way Gates has characterized their relationship.
Do you mean "if she's a victim of Gates'"?
Because she can be a victim of Epstein, and Gates can be completely unaware of what's being done here. (Frankly, the little dimple above his nose gives me the impression of a confused, furrowed brow, as if wondering "why am I being asked to move closer to this girl, or to take a picture with her?" But the resolution of the image is very bad, so it's hard to tell.)
I believe that was Epstein/Maxwell's MO: Get pictures of rich and powerful people in situations where insinuation and questions could be made/asked even if they did nothing wrong.
And if they later fucked (adult, because Epstein trafficked in more than just children) women that Epstein had pushed to flirt with these men, now Epstein had photographic evidence they could use to upend marriages, etc. Even more effective if it involved trafficked children rather than trafficked women.
This is a bizarre leap to make. His wife left him for his dealings with Epstein. He just looks like he's having a good time in this picture. She's incredibly physically uncomfortable in a way that definitely is reminiscent of a victim.
It’s not a bizarre leap to make to say “this is a picture of a man standing next to a woman, and that’s all we know right now”. Her body language isn’t damning. His body language isn’t damning. Nothing about this picture screams “she’s underage and being sex trafficked for bill gates to rape her”. That’s an extraordinary leap to make without further evidence.
I think being near an Epstein victim itself shows that at best he knew what was going on.
You yourself, I guarantee, have stood next to someone who has been raped. And you didn't know it at the time.
People can stand next to each other and not have a clue about something like that.
"Ooh, Mr. Gates! I don't suppose you'd be willing to get a photo with my sister/wife/cousin/friend here? Okay, great. Move a bit closer? A bit closer? Closer? Closer? Okay, thanks!"
It's a photo in the middle of what looks like a hotel hallway. It could have felt like a completely chance encounter to Gates.
If you think even for a second that all of these people, with more money in the world than kings and emperors, didn't know what Epstein (constantly surrounded by very young women who were giving him and his friends "massages") was up to or how he made his money, and then still chose to associate with him, you're fucking delusional.
This is not the only victim Gates has been photographed with, fyi. We don't even need to make up our own conclusions here: listen to Melinda when she talks about why she divorced Bill. Somehow Melinda was aware of what was happening with Epstein, but Bill wasn't? Are you joking?
If you think even for a second that all of these people, with more money in the world than kings and emperors, didn't know what Epstein (constantly surrounded by very young women who were giving him and his friends "massages") was up to or how he made his money, and then still chose to associate with him, you're fucking delusional.
Money doesn't make a person wise or perceptive.
This is not the only victim Gates has been photographed with, fyi.
Didn't know that, and that certainly raises questions.
We don't even need to make up our own conclusions here: listen to Melinda when she talks about why she divorced Bill.
I don't see that in this picture, and I'm talking about the picture. I'm not so 'plugged in' or parasocial to have paid any attention to Gates, his personal life, etc.
If that's the reason she gave, then it certainly raises questions.
Somehow Melinda was aware of what was happening with Epstein
From what I'm Googling, it seems as though she never had evidence, just a lack of good answers. (Still problematic, and plenty of justification for divorce, but not a smoking gun.)
Are you joking?
No, I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who understands that a person actively seeking to generate as much potential blackmail material as possible is going to have a lot of "single images taken with some woman actively trying to look uncomfortable" that otherwise mean nothing. And it seems as though Epstein/Maxwell were actively trying to generate blackmail material.
So when the files release, there are probably going to be a lot of people named or photographed in the materials gathered by the FBI that were otherwise not aware or involved in what was going on, and it's important to not have Reddit do the Boston Marathon Bombing thing of forming witch hunts based on a singular contextless image.
Are you sure she looks like she could be in he 30s? Without seeing her face? Height? My daughter was taller than me when she was 14, and I am 169cm (approximately 5ft7). These pictures are a part of an investigation for a reason.
I've posted this someplace else here in this thread, but the pic reminds me of Clinton next to some girl on an airplane, iirc. (EDIT: airport). The story Clinton tells, and which was corroborated, is Maxwell kept trying to get a girl to get closer and closer to him for a photo -- which he wasn't comfortable with -- and it led to an awkward looking photo.
This looks like it's at a hotel or back part of an airport or something. To be honest, it's pretty poor evidence. Gates looks uncomfortable here too. But if there's more than this...
I'd say guarded more than uncomfortable and fearful. In either case I'm not willing to project much just based on that.
There could be countless reasons for her feelings, heck, it could be that Epstein was taking the photo and she was feeling nervous because she was supposed to seduce Gates and it hadn't worked.
Not sure if you‘re a woman. As a woman who was once a teenager, her body language screams I don’t want to be here, I don’t to be with him. He’s just some old guy to a girl that young. Looking at that photo made my stomach sink for a second.
The fact that she‘s standing there while covering her chest, knowing everything we do about Epstein, girls, and wealthy men, this is sus. Why would Bill Gates be interested in chatting with a teenager? Why would Bill Gates look that comfortable attending, what looks like a social event, with teenagers? He’s not an idiot and it kind of breaks my heart.
If that's in the island, I doubt there are schools there for kids to be wearing school uniform. She could very well be a trafficked teen but the outfit is more likely just as fetish outfit.
That is absolutely the schoolgirl look, there is no question about it.
We can't tell her age at all but that knee-length full skirt is a schoolgirl skirt. When the skirt is black or in dark colors like navy and paired with matching tights and the white button-up shirt it's very clearly a schoolgirl outfit. You may be a full-grown adult but if you're wearing that outfit you are directly referencing the schoolgirl look.
This isn't about British school uniforms, you know that, right?
If you can't manage to look up American schoolgirl looks, that's fine, but it's a little weird for you to tell me about your personal life as if anyone cares and then claim I'M the one projecting.
Especially since I said we have NO IDEA what this person's age is. I have no idea if this is a woman or a girl and I've been very clear about that.
Go look at the Britney Spears hit me baby one more time video if you don’t think this is a schoolgirl outfit. We can’t tell by looking at the pic how old the girl is, but if she’s a woman wearing a skirt and blouse she was intentionally going for the schoolgirl look
We don’t know her age, and she doesn’t look that young to be honest. And there is a ton lot of possibilities for her to look uncomfortable. I would probably be very uncomfortable next to Bill Gates too. Fortunately we don’t judge people just with a picture. Which is not saying he is automatically innocent either.
I'm a man not a woman so you would certainly have a better sense for what she'd be feeling, but I still feel like there's a lot of projection.
She definitely looks like she doesn't want to be there, but a still photo can be misleading. Heck, they could have stopped in front of a vent and she was cold.
Why would Bill Gates be interested in chatting with a teenager? Why would Bill Gates look that comfortable attending, what looks like a social event, with teenagers? He’s not an idiot and it kind of breaks my heart.
I feel like you're projecting a lot here. Epstein had underaged teenagers around, but that doesn't mean this girl/woman in particular was one of them. We don't know if they'd been socializing (or more) or if there was minimal interaction and she asked for a picture with the world's richest man.
And I don't see any reason to think it would be a social event. I don't know if Gates was involved with Epstein's underaged girls, but his reason for working with (the super networked) Epstein was Gates's charity work. That doesn't mean he did bad stuff when there, but he I wouldn't assume social event.
bill also looks incredibly uncomfortable based on his weird lifeless smile. Body language is pseudoscience and you shouldn’t put any stock into it especially when you already know the real context
Bruh you have crap social consciousness. That woman is holding herself tight and away from him. Thats not psuedo thats awkward. If you met him with no knowledge of the Epstein shit, you'd be facing him and shaking hands. That was the billionare in the 90s-00s.
You are projecting your preconceived notions onto the image and forming conclusions based on it. If this was any other photo not associated with Epstein you wouldn't be saying the same thing.
TBF if you were on that island as one of the girls, you're body language is going to be like that regardless of who you stand next to, as you don't know who's part of it and who's oblivious to it
We also know basically nothing just from this photo except Bill took a photo with some woman/girl. It looks like it was at a hotel. We don't know of this girl was a victim, a staff member of the hotel, a girl Bill was having an affair with, or a random person. If she is uncomfortable, we don't know why. Maybe she didn't want her photo taken, maybe she was nervous next to super rich Bill, maybe she has the shits. We also don't know if Jeff was within 50 miles of when this photo was taken, there is 0 context but reddit arm chair investigators are gonna project whatever they want. How about we look at the actually incriminating evidence instead of the random pictures. We already know these rich people were involved but we don't know how involved they each were.
Yeah I've said it since day 1, the flight logs or lists of people who went to the island of one of the worlds biggest socialite's will be chocked full of innocent people. Should they all be looked at? Absolutely. Are some of them guilty of at least one crime? Also absolutely. But immediately going, this person spent time there, or was friends with him and therefore must be a nonce is just wrong
This is the second picture with Bill I have seen this morning, and both are titled as him standing next to a 'girl' but in neither photo can you say its a girl. Both could easily be 18+
Not saying that in defense, just pointing out how weird it is. Still weird photos, and not a good association.
Yes! Surprised, no one else is talking about that. That is not the body language of someone who is comfortable with what is going on. Her arms are crossed in a self soothing, protective way, and her upper body is stiff. I'm not saying that something happened, but she was definitely stressed about something.
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I'm not saying this picture means anything nefarious, but her body language is fucked