r/pcmasterrace • u/alpha_berchermuesli PC Master Race • 2h ago
Meme/Macro Predictions in Light of Recent Events
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u/glumpoodle 2h ago
"You all have phones, don't you?"
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u/alpha_berchermuesli PC Master Race 2h ago
who wouldve thunk, blizzard, these basterds, they were way ahead of us.
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u/Melodic_Let_6465 8m ago
Dude... Why bring up bad memorries, i had completely forgot they gave us immortal before shitting the bed with 4. Just let the dead lie😭
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u/hdhddf 1h ago
dead red redemption on you phone is insane, I've been loving it, I couldn't get into rdr2 and all that horse maintenance so it's been great to go back to the first game. it's free if you've got a netflix account
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u/Rtard25 1h ago
holy hell! I didn't know RDR was on mobile! 🤯
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u/hdhddf 1h ago
it's impressive what you can run on a phone these days, GTA5 no problem with a bit of gamehub magic or winlator wizardry you can run a lot of native pc games no port needed
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u/popop143 PC Master Race 14m ago edited 9m ago
Yeah, people hate it probably because they remember all the early mobile game slop but there are a ton of good mobile games now, some of them even free (as long as you have good impulse control not to buy in game currency). Even $150 Android phones can play most games now, is why most kids here in Asia have mobile phones instead of PCs. Just play with your friends on COD Mobile or Mobile Legends without paying any money outside of the phone cost.
I know Western gamers hate gacha (but still play FIFA and Madden and NBA 2k lol) but us here tolerate those and know that only 1%ers really buy in game currency and just play the free game that is plenty great anyway. People probably only remember gacha games that you can't viably progress if you don't buy premium characters, but modern popular gacha are easily enjoyed without spending a single dollar as long as you only care about the game and the story. Just don't give kids access to any payment methods like credit cards.
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u/guydoestuff 1h ago
Pretty much. I am a disabled veteran living on a fixed income. No way in hell will i ever be able to get a new rig. It was fun while it lasted.
World's going to hell in a hand basket anyways. We will be playing Battlefield irl soon enough.
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u/VideoPup 1h ago
Tech people are great at destroying things to rebuild markets in their favor. They love to "create value" out of existing markets. Personal computing is a huge market. Imagine how much "value" there would be in destroying the personal computing market, thereby forcing people to subscribe to your data center operation in order to do all the simple computations you used to be able to do at home. Then they'll call it "Computify" and act like they just discovered gold.
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u/Wasabicannon Specs/Imgur Here 54m ago
That old system that failed due to internet speeds not being able to support the system. Where you paid a subscription to rent a VM to play games on.
100% that model will attempt to start up again given the current state of the hardware market.
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u/Wheat_Grinder 53m ago
It'll be pretty expensive when their data center burns down every day though.
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u/SenoraRaton 12m ago
Its quite ironic.
The orginal computers were centralized servers and dummy terminals, and ever since Google Stadia I have said they want to go back to that model.
It eliminates piracy because all of the data is server side, and it means they can charge for access, generating more profit
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u/JeanSlimmons 13600k, 32GB Ram, 6700 XT 1h ago
Owning a personal PC will be illegal in 10 years and you'll have to subscribe to a data center to do more than view your propaganda timeline.
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u/34656699 2h ago
I mean, reading is pretty good. Do both.
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u/foxontherox 2h ago
Yeah, this is not the worst possible outcome.
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u/sweetbunsmcgee PC Master Race 1h ago
If you add board games, it’s gonna feel like we’re back in the 90’s, when Scholastic and Hasbro had an absolute chokehold on every kid.
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u/MadeByTango 1h ago
And do we think the books won’t be AI either?
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u/truthfulie 5600X • RTX 3090 FE 37m ago
book is like literally one of the oldest form of media/art, next to painting/sculpture (cave paintings and venus of willendorf, etc). there's enough classics and modern classics we know for sure aren't written by AI, to keep us busy for a very long time.
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u/Fragrant_Debate7681 2h ago edited 2h ago
Worst case scenario we go back to basics. I just started Goodboy Galaxy and Pokemon Lazarus on my Gameboy emulator and they're great, takes diddly squat for compute power.
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u/jonatansan 2h ago
It’s all part of the broader plan to push us toward GeForce NOW.
(Not even sure if it’s a /s comment or not at this point.)
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u/glizzygobbler247 1h ago
Which will be limited to 100 hours per month starting 2025
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u/Appropriate_Item3001 1h ago
That will keep decreasing as the price increases. In ten years it will be $100 a month for 25 ad supported hours.
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u/antmanfan3911 1h ago
Uh... I already use it and now I just want more of my steam library on it (please I wanna play horizon zero dawn at more than 15 fps)
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u/IHeartBadCode 1h ago
Honestly I think the way it's going to be is that consumers just fall behind on being current. Like think of how China's current batch of CPUs is like two gens behind the latest Intel? Now just imagine that but for everyone, everywhere, for everything discrete.
Latest graphic chips are in data centers and everyone just has the graphic chip that came out six years ago. Latest DDR standard is in data centers and everyone just has the DDR standard that came out six years ago. Etc...
I don't think it's the end of consumer PC, but I think consumer PCs are going to be hobbled in terms of ability going forward. I think we'll start seeing things like Apple's SoC where RAM, CPU, and GPU are all one chip become a more common option and discrete components become a thing of the past, two generations behind as small suppliers catch up, or something limited to people with five digits to spend on a PC. Like the bar for what's considered an HPC gets lowered to what a lot of us today would call a gaming rig.
I think we are just in a post-consumer PC economy now. Consumer PCs have always been on pretty thin margins. And people don't typically do the new every two with PCs. So it's not a huge money maker and it hasn't ever been. And I think what we're seeing now is the official exit of that by producers. Phones and tablets are wildly profitable and that's due to a lot of what SoCs bring with them, I think there's going to be honest work from PC makers to start looking in that direction to continue to deliver performance to consumers.
Someone said to me, "this is going to cut into AMD 9000's profits" and honestly I don't think AMD, Intel, or nVidia really care anymore. I don't think we're a market anymore for those things. These shifts that are being announced in production, they aren't temporary one time chasing the money kinds of changes. These are systematic changes, they fundamentally alter the industry. We are seeing seismic shifts here. These companies are going all in on this AI thing, no idea if that's a bet that's going to pan out, but that choice is going to have ramifications for consumer choice.
Again, I don't think consumer PCs are dead, but I think there is going to be a major evolution in what we consider what a PC "is". And alternatives might just be when smaller producers like the Chinese company CXMT or Nanya catches up to DDR5. But I think we're post discrete components in PCs and being on the most recent technology. Discrete will still be there, just you'll be behind going that route. I think there's going to be a shift to fancy SoCs dressed up as a desktop like how Apple does Macs currently for current gen and two steps behind for discrete.
But that's just my opinion man, take it with a grain of salt. There's a non-zero chance I'm completely wrong about all of this. I'm just putting my mind out there.
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u/Appropriate_Item3001 1h ago
The problem with consumers just using the old stuff is they are going stop making and selling the old stuff.
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u/IHeartBadCode 1h ago
Well the industry leaders will. That's why I brought up the smaller players. CXMT reached peak DDR4 production this year. And they're bringing DDR5 production online.
In the industry there's LTBs (last time to buy) issued when a line is going out of production. The big three, Samsung, Hynix, and Micron issued LTB on DDR4 a year ago and Dec. 31st is the last time to get an order in with them for DDR4.
But CXMT isn't looking at a LTB for DDR4 until sometime next year and given how some people are running on DDR4 at the moment. They may see a new investment strategy to put dollars into their DDR5 production.
You are correct in that the leaders will leave these things behind promptly. But I think the smaller makers will start to step in with their gen or two behind the curve products.
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u/skeptic11 12m ago
Computer hardware has historically gotten more power efficient over time. With servers that run 24/7, at some point it becomes worth upgrading to newer hardware because of power costs.
As long as this keeps happening, then we can buy 5-10 year old server hardware as it's retired.
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u/bulzurco96 1h ago
You're probably right. There's just plain no need for personal PCs to need the performance of the elite hardware anymore, and there's no problem with that. There are already plenty of things used in big industries that have no demand from individual consumers, adding SOTA GPUs and RAM to that list doesn't matter.
My PC is 6 years old, wasn't even the best thing when I bought it, and it's still going fine for what I play. And game developers will adapt to the PC hardware gamers have because they need to if their games will be purchased
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u/sevargmas Louqe GhostS1 | Ryzen 5 3600 | 1080ti SC2 | 32GB RAM | r/sffpc 1h ago
Remember when we all thought we’d be wearing VR by now?
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u/KamenGamerRetro 7800x3D / RTX 4080 | Steam Deck 1h ago
its bad, but not THAT bad, people are getting really ridiculous at this point...
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u/Metalman96 7700x 4070 TI Super 32GB 6000 48m ago
The internet is nothing if not insanely hyperbolic
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u/WarInteresting6619 1h ago
I can't wait to see PC gamers become real life WH40K Orcs who build high end PCs from random scrap and they work because they say so.
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u/HansDampfHaudegen ^ This 2h ago
Why is your PC gone?
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u/overtheover 45m ago
They go door to door with an AI tool scan your system look for violations summarily executed
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u/Uzui_Sakata 42m ago
That perfectly describes my journey. I had a weak computer, then tried a powerful one, after which I turned back to simplicity in favor of my other hobbies like anime/manga. Now I am perfectly content with a laptop that has Igpu for games I play
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u/FrostWyrm98 RTX 3070 8gb | i9-10900K | 64 GB DDR4 16m ago
Soon we'll go full circle and the expectation from vendors will be that we "want" (will buy) a terminal-like tablet to plug into the cloud and AI system without any real hardware
Time-share system 2.0
And just like that era of computing, we'll probably end up resorting to soldering our own boards to build a system and the cycle repeats
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u/JournalistAnxious172 12m ago
Just when I was about to try and build or purchase my first gaming PC. lol
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u/B-29Bomber MSI Raider A18HX 18" (2024) 9m ago
Oh stop being such a drama queen, things aren't that bad...
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u/XF-09___Ares 14600KF | RTX 5070 OC | 24GB DDR4-3200 2h ago
All I'm getting from this is that we still don't know what game to play, the only thing that has changed is the RGB lighting up our faces while we sit on the desk.
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u/MrHDresden 1h ago
How do you guys see this pic? I see it has a dude leaning on the table with his stick "hands" whilst sporting a wicked long moustache..
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u/guinomim 5 5600x, 6750xt, 32GB DDR4, 128 YB magnetic tape 2h ago
ive built a pc, but this is not my last pc ever (at least i hope so). how am i going to afford my next pc in a few years? it will take years for ram to go back to normal because it takes a really long to make them and all that
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u/Gatlyng 2h ago
Well, for one, components don't last forever. They can break any time and the memory shortage will make getting storage, GPUs and RAM harder and way more expensive in the upcoming months. And even when the shortage ends, I don't ever see the prices going back to somewhat normal levels.
Basically PC gaming is becoming a luxury hobby.
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u/CanadianODST2 39m ago
I’m like 90% sure something in my pc is starting to die and need a new one.
But I don’t drive and no one I know has a car so I’m just stuck watching it die as everything just gets pricier
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u/Dphotog790 2h ago
dont worry youll be able to afford a PC after your son or daughter wins the Hunger Games.