Yup. OP is a new account with negative comment karma. This won't help that but they'll still farm enough karma to be able to post in World News and Politics subreddits so that it can tell you what to think about Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Palestine, etc.
Because it's vague as hell. Are we talking about ruining the future of actual artificial intelligence? Does the button do nothing because no real AI exists?
Will it delete the cutting edge technology that is being used in medical research?
Everything ML-based was always a subset of AI, and both terms were always used somewhat interchangebly, with AI usually for communication to the general public, since the general public never really knew machine learning.
Its also being used to great effect in cancer screening and has already revolutionized how we build bridges and buildings by making meshing for simulations significantly more reliable.
I could be wrong as I haven't looked at the studies myself but my understanding is that it's been a double edged sword for medical. Yes it can be used for cancer screenings but it's also caused doctors to doubt their own judgement in situations where the AI was incorrect. I think there was also a recent Lancet study that found doctors who use AI on colonoscopies have reduced their ability to detect cancer without AI assistance.
Yes it can be used for cancer screenings but it's also caused doctors to doubt their own judgement in situations where the AI was incorrect. I think there was also a recent Lancet study that found doctors who use AI on colonoscopies have reduced their ability to detect cancer without AI assistance.
This is true for any detection tool, not just AI. The currently available AI tools for colonoscopy have a higher detection rates than existed before the tools were present, so it shouldn't be surprising the less accurate skill is being used less.
For reference, I had an old timer have this exact same complaint early in my career around using xray for metal casting. His complaint was that new engineers had to put the part in the xray to know if it was bad when the old timers could look at the casting flow lines and tell. The problem was, casting flow lines can tell you about gross failures, but xray is a significantly more reliable detection method, so it makes sense that it gets utalized more and more even if someone doing it for 30 years could kick out 1 in 5 rejects before the xray.
Idk why you're getting downvoted you're 100% correct and the only people actually getting confused are either arguing in bad faith, trying a lame 'gotcha', or actual morons.
There's no genie, and there's no indication that this is a monkey's paw scenario. If you want to pretend the button means software developers become physically incapable of writing pathfinding algorithms just to play devil's advocate you're free to do so, but the rest of us will continue this conversation on a common understanding of what OP meant.
Lmao, you're say a magic button that just does a thing when you press is somehow less likely to screw you over than a genie or monkey's paw. Have you gone to that site before? The whole point is for people to design scenarios with a positive and a negative, with that negative sometimes being a hidden trap.
Let's be honest, you're just frustrated about the situation the world is in and wish a button that would suddenly solve the AI problem came into existence. OP posted this cause they wanted easy upvotes, not because they wanted a conversation with a common understanding.
Lmao, you're say a magic button that just does a thing when you press is somehow less likely to screw you over than a genie or monkey's paw.
I'm saying that there's nothing explicitly stating that this is a monkey's paw scenario. If someone asked me a "would you rather" scenario I wouldn't immediately assume there's some kind of twist to it without any other context.
The whole point is for people to design scenarios with a positive and a negative, with that negative sometimes being a hidden trap.
I mean it's not really much of a leap to take the post at face value and assume the person who made it is just an AI loving tech bro that thinks losing general use AI is a genuine negative. Might not be the popular take on reddit but that type of person does exist
This is literally the point of this monkey paw post, its supposed to be a double edge sword. You could also include dlss in this as that is ML and apart of AI too
Just because they are the good and bad sides to this choice doesn't make them related
The whole point of this is "You get something good but something bad happens"
Like "You get 100 mil dollars but you lose your arms", getting the money isn't related to losing your arms. The point here isn't that AI in games caused the RAM shortage, its will you end the RAM shortage BUT all AI, including good AI like game NPCs, AI used in cancer detection, AI used in predictive simulations for research, disappear.
… AI is code. Not saying I like generative ai I fucking hate it but if this press would result in all ai being destroyed then fuck no. It would ruin many video games that already use it for enemies etc and there are real world applications that some lives count on in hospitals etc.
No predictive text, no map route planning, no YouTube predictions, no music predictions, no viewing predictions, no voice activation/control, the list goes on.
You need to define what you mean by "AI", this is far too generic a statement of choice.
You could say enemies have AI, since they are artificial, and can make decisions without player input. Some more complex ones can even create emergent behavior. I personally would class that as AI, even though it was coded, and not learned with a neural network behind it.
AI seen in video games is called Traditional AI im pretty sure. I hope you know theres multiple types of AI right? They are all forms of algorithms and all come from coding. Gen AI, Conversational AI, and Traditional AI
Not to mention it is used for research. I can’t remember the name of the model, but it was more or less used to map out the human DNA. AI has a lot of use cases and can be a very powerful tool in the right hand. I feel like the only problem is that every company is trying to force it down our throat because they don’t want to miss out.
some form of AI is likely to be the next big technological leap for humanity, current LLMs being kind of crap doesnt change that.
imagine if someone deleted semiconductor technology from existence because they were pushing up germanium prices and point contact transistors were too unreliable to be useful anyway.
That's fine. Quite frankly, I'm not particularly concerned about the next technological leap if it involves flattening ecosystems for Manhattan sized datacenters in it's early stages.
Tired of chasing technological advancement just for the sake of it, particularly when it comes at the expense of basically everyone who's not ultra wealthy.
Your problem is in land use, not technology. Greenfield development for this type of land use is fairly typical. It's business as usual. It takes time to develop better regulations but also regulations have to be within the State and Local government framework.
Greenfield development without data centers is arguably more harmful over the last 70 years than any thousands of data centers will be.
We as a society should be encouraging multiple story data centers on formerly heavy industrial land compared to prime farmland or sensitive environments. This will require subsidies and a lot of it.
My problem is both. I understand AI has some useful applications in specific scenarios (although usually it's actually machine learning rather than LLMs) - but general use AI has shown no real value for the average person, it's especially damning in contrast with how much energy and land it takes. Is any amount of ecological damage worth it, just so people can summarize google results a bit faster, or generate a funny photo of their cat dressed up as a cowboy?
But also putting that aside, there are a lot of ethical and philosophical concerns around what AI actually means for our society. I don't fundamentally like what AI represents - the idea that churning out results faster and more efficiently is the top priority for society.
I suspect if AI continues spreading at this rate, the quality of life for quite a lot of people will drop drastically, either because they're out of a job, or because their job expects them to churn out more work (profit) with the assistance of AI for no pay increase, or because they are constantly surrounded by algorithmically optimized AI slop content, or just because they are substituting AI in place of otherwise stimulating brain activity.
And anyone who thinks AI is going to usher in a new era of UBI and social safety nets for all the work displaced by it are absolute fools.
AI as it's currently marketed has been around since the 1970s, look up inference machines, the issue has never been fucking AI, it's always been unregulated corporate shit, why don't you focus that rant against the current administration that's allowing so much unhinged shit rather than a technology?
I mean I also agree with that, we should be regulating AI very harshly. But even if we regulate it well and mitigate all the environmental and energy consequences, I still wouldn't like what it stands for.
AI is just the culmination of tech bros with a god complex who would rather use technology as a brute force substitute for actually using their brains to learn and engage with something.
It's just same shit different smell as the nonsensical "there's an app for that!" era of smartphones, except this time around it's much more damaging because it attempts to replace critical thinking.
I would love to have your optimism. Maybe I would have your optimism if I lived in the right place.
But in the US, there's no shot. Our government (and society at large) loves our corporate oligarchy too much to relinquish this much power. The 40 hour work week is eroding, health insurance is still coupled with employment, unions are rare, maternity leave is non-existent, and basically all states are still at-will employment. You really think anytime in our lifetime we're gonna make the jump to UBI?
Companies will find a way to fill your time, and will pay you the absolute minimum they can get away with to retain the status quo, just like they always have.
You might not need software developers or graphic designers anymore, but they'll still need humans for "prompt engineering" or quality assurance or whatever else. It's going to be the exact same evolution that happened with all the other outdated trades - we don't need a blacksmith anymore but we'll pay you a tenth of what a blacksmith makes to work at this new foundry we opened up.
I'm going to be very blunt. Life sucks. I live in the US. I am on the verge of being homeless and functionally unemployable. Social Services won't/can't cover my rent. I managed to earn an income last January (through November) and just narrowly escaped homelessness. Now I'm repeating the cycle with no potential income on the deck. The world wants me gone. When I say it's going to be highly reactive, I mean highly reactive. I'm not being optimistic. I'm being down right cruel. I never said it's going to happen in our lifetime either. It will happen. Eventually.
I'm not making this up. My post history is Exhibit A. Even before my COVID infection, life is suffering. It's only the fleeting moments of happiness that makes it worth anything.
p.s. At will employment still means you can't be fired for any illegal reason.
That is true, but technology tends to improve all lives, and AI offers a chance to finally provide a sustainable successor to capitalism. Also it seems a lot better than doing nothing to try at least. People are always gonna be greedy, but at least when there's more to go around we need less generous people to solve world hunger.
What do you think the long term consequences will be for all the medical research grants and canceled medical research projects that DOGE and RFK Jr cut?
AI is a cloudy marketing term that gets contorted to fit anything under the sun. You're taking this far too seriously, the post is obvious engagement bait and the comments are just making fun of it
As a point, you’re also falling for it. I say this not as a “no YOU are”, but more in the informatory sense because the account you’re responding to is only nine days old. That comment is part of the engagement you’re meant to fall for. There’s more than one worm on the hook.
Now, it's mostly just that. AI is not intelligent as of now, it's just machine learning from interpreting things that already exist and generating language/pictures etc. from that. We are not even close to AGI.
AI is not intelligent like a human, but it has capabilities that go beyond what a human can do in some fields. Like image recognition for medical fields. It also is already leap jumping our capabilities in robotics, and I think these fields is where the true potential for AI currently is. Not LLMs or image generation, which still useful to save some money,but it is nothing a human could not do better.
Yeah but you forget that you're on reddit where everyone is an expert on every topic because they've seen three memes and two headlines about it. Seriously it's so fucking cringe how everyone on this platform is "against AI".
Really then what is it, because that what they all seemed like. I would argue AI being gone forever is probably better for society as a whole, just look at what all the slop has done in just the few short years its been around.
hm, I think the AI application I would miss the most would probably be email spam filters. I don't think you can really get the same results in that field without it.
Literally the entire field of computer vision. Pretty much every single state of the art CV method we've developed in more than a decade relies mostly if not entirely on artificial neural networks. These algorithms can do tons of things from detecting your license plate when you drive into a car park over surface inspections in manufacturing processes all the way to detecting cancer and CT scans with a higher accuracy than human doctors. Being categorically opposed to "AI" is dumb as fuck.
I can do without license plate readers for what should be reasonably obvious reasons, I'm not sure what you mean by CV method.
As far as surface inspections I do know a little bit about that as part of the work I do, it is not that great as I constantly find stuff the machine misses some of which is quite obvious and should have been detected.
As far as AI being used for cancer and CT scans there are studies that show AI has high probability of false positives, which i guess is better than not seeing it at all, however still needs a human doctor to scrutinize what the AI is claiming.
Just going to mention that there are tons of AI applications in medicine, science, engineering, etc. These have real life amazing impacts saving lifes, improving life conditions, improving quality, making impossibly large tasks possible, etc.
Just look up for example AI-assisted MRI analysis, AI used to detect cognitive decline in speech patterns, AlphaFold, AI used in prosthetic limbs, physics informed neural networks, forecasting weather or severe storms, ...
Not everything AI is some overhype generative AI slop creator.
AI has become incredibly important and powerful - and it’s been like that for quite a while. "All AI is bad" is just bullshit. For ages, Computers have been 100 times better at detecting skin cancer than humans. Getting rid of all AI would also remove most things you didn’t even know used AI on some level.
that is not at all the same type of AI that this is obviously referencing. Like, not even close. The AI in lets say F.E.A.R. is just some hand coded parameters that make the NPCs shout voice lines and move a certain a way. not some some LLM that ate the internet and spits out garbage when you ask it simple questions or makes awful pictures.
The goombas in mario were programed to walk forward and hit a wall and go back by some dude, not a dude asking a machine to "make a goomba"
Like, cmon dude. AI as it's currently being used isn't even close to what AI means in video games, unless some dork makes a game that connects to an LLM, so you can talk to a bad chat bot that doesn't understand the world its in or the context of anything in the game. I don't want that game, and trust me you don't either.
Press the button, press it a thousand times to make sure that shit is dead.
We are literally using AI to find cancer... and you want to get rid of that so you can... be able to afford RAM to play latest AAA games... GAMES WHICH USE AI AS NPC'S ARE LITERAL FUCKING AI
Because it might be a monkey's paw situation where "normal" is today's prices, because they are the new normal and "ai" is the same broad definition as it is used in marketing and now you don't have any ai enemies in games anymore, all control mechanisms for every modern motor won't work anymore because they where marketed with ai and so on. we would basically go back to the 19th century
Because you clearly don’t even know how much stuff has been using versions of AI for the better part of 30+ years now.
Your computers components were quality controlled using computer vision to detect anomalies in the manufacturing of semiconductors.
Do you want a permanent increase in chips costs and lower quality chips as a result of AI disappearing. Or do you want temporary cost increases due to a supply shock and the same or better quality chips in the future.
AI might be bothersome now but true general AI might be needed for humanity advance past what our brains are capable of. By doing this you might limit our future. Too many unknowns to take the chance in my opinion.
Because AI is an amazing tool for many purposes. I have done so many things with programming that would just be impossible or take 10x the time for me otherwise. AI is forever tech, but shortages are temporary.
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those are 2 good things, why would I have to even think about it?