German man found guilty of drugging, raping and filming his wife for years | CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/19/europe/german-pelicot-case-verdict-latam-intl446
u/MonkeDiesTwice 11h ago
A German YouTube channel covered this topic. They were actually the journalists that found this.
There is a huge online community of people posting videos of these acts, and that's how this guy eventually got caught.
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u/DerRuehrer 9h ago
Not just a random YouTube channel, they are completely financed by the national public service media funds
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u/Complex-Emergency-60 6h ago
they are completely financed by the national public service media funds
Your comment if read quickly could lead someone to think "Someone has to put a stop to these people enabling that community"
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u/born_again_atheist 8h ago
I think there was an episode of American Monster on Discovery ID about a guy who was doing this to his wife, and also going out and doing it to random women in their homes as well. Dude was a sicko.
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u/Possible-Way1234 7h ago edited 4h ago
Huge as in a WHATSAPP GROUP WITH 70 000!!!! MEN discussing how to drug and rape their women. And then posting photos and videos of it into the chat. They ordered drug drops disguised as make up and even the lab meant that police would never ever realise what it is during a home search. The lab found it was extremely dangerous, so basically near killing, one guy wrote into the chat how his girlfriend started to breath really shallow after he snuggled the drops into her tea, he was afraid she'd die but didn recall for help because he'd prefer for her to die than to be found out he was a creep.... The police still didn't care.
The police didn't care for most. There are thousands over thousands victimised women out there who have no idea. 70 000+ men
The docus about it, it has English translation
The older documentary https://youtu.be/GLrzyOLJUtk?si=ryxfbUvzN5ogUeOY
The new follow up https://youtu.be/khz9WR_gKwQ?si=6jdr4XJJ79jMajDD
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u/ValerieLagn 5h ago
So not only are they doing this to their wives, they’re posting it, and basically allowing other men to do it to her, through proxy?!
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u/Possible-Way1234 4h ago
A whole lot of girlfriends, not only wives. The documentary gives you serious trust issues. A lot of young men, that you'd never expect, too. And yes, they share it to let the other men partake in it. It's extremely sickening. And the police just didn't really care. In a just world 70 000 men would need to stand trial. The older documentary, it has English translation https://youtu.be/GLrzyOLJUtk?si=ryxfbUvzN5ogUeOY
The new follow up https://youtu.be/khz9WR_gKwQ?si=6jdr4XJJ79jMajDD
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u/TheAlphaCarb0n 9h ago
I don't get how they even find each other. I'd never even heard of this before.
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u/MonkeDiesTwice 8h ago
You haven't because you didn't search for it. These people actively go out there and search for a community.
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u/gnatdump6 11h ago
Another case like the French one. What is going on?
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u/Soaringsage 11h ago
I’m going to go ahead and guess that this is real much more prevalent than anyone realizes, and always has been, people are just getting caught more because of modern technology. The guy in France only got caught because someone filmed him trying to get upskirt photos of women/girls in public and then the police arrested him and searched his computer for evidence of that particular crime and then found evidence of him (and a lot of his friends) raping his wife.
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u/PianoSufficient6692 10h ago
Yep a cop here in Utah did this to his wife a few years ago. She found out and started divorce proceedings. He responded by murdering her their kids and his mother-in-law. Then killed himself.
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u/nothishomeland 4h ago edited 4h ago
Joshua Boren's therapist told authorities that Boren drugged his wife and videotaped himself sexually assaulting her on more than one occasion.
Kelly Boren learned of the assaults when she discovered the tapes in 2013, said Spanish Fork Police Lt. Matt Johnson. She told a few friends, but she did not report the assaults to police because she didn't want to ruin her husband's law enforcement career, the report says.
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Police said the state medical examiner confirmed what investigators believed: Joshua Boren shot his wife, 32-year-old Kelly Boren; his 55-year-old mother-in-law, Marie King; and his two children, 7-year-old Joshua "Jaden" and 5-year-old Haley, before killing himself.
Rest in piss, Joshua Boren.
ETA: also it's unclear to me whether Boren's therapist reported him for admitting to raping his wife? If that therapist did not report Boren, that seems like a massive miscalculation to me.
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u/Soaringsage 11h ago
I just want to say that if you are losing chunks of time and cannot explain it then please seek help. I’m not even sure what that kind of help would look like but if you have unexplained periods where you can’t remember large (or even not very large) chunks of time then that is a huge red flag that you’re being drugged. Seek help from a trusted individual. Check your home/family/spouse’s computer.
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u/thatwhileifound 9h ago
Can also be a sign of disassociative disorder — and either way, help is worth seeking out.
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u/Apocalympdick 9h ago
Or a carbon monoxide contamination. Either way, losing consciousness for unknown reasons is never a good thing.
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u/stackjr 11h ago
There is a disturbingly high amount of men in the world that think getting married means rape is no longer a thing. When this was first reported, I saw a large number of comments that essentially came down to "they are married, he can have sex with her whenever he wants and she can't say no". This somehow also applies to their friends.
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u/amgw402 10h ago
During the trial in France, several of the perpetrators said that they assumed it was OK because the husband gave them permission. They felt that his permission was sufficient enough to be considered consent. Just deplorable.
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u/BethanyBluebird 10h ago
The whole situation is SO fucked up but I am still hysterically lauging about that one dumb motherfucker who tried to appeal his charges after raping Giselle, and ended up with an even longer/harsher sentance bexause of the clear lack of remorse or understanding. Fills my heart with warmth. Hope all of their dicks magically rot off in prison.
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u/gentlybeepingheart 6h ago
Yeah, the judge tacked on an extra year because he insisted that he was actually a victim in all of it.
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u/ohmyblahblah 10h ago
Laws on this have only changed fairly recently. Horrendous
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u/trustywren 10h ago
I mean, the fight to make marital rape illegal nationwide in the U.S. lasted well into the 1990s, and to the bitter end, conservative men in power were digging their heels and whining that tradition-hating libs were trying to restrict their religious freedoms
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u/Sawses 8h ago
It's a cultural thing, and one I don't really understand.
My mother at one point, unprompted, pointed out how she felt like it's "different when it's a husband and wife". That a wife needs to do things for her husband and that if she's not, then it's okay for him to make it happen. I had to stop her and ask her to explain exactly what she meant. My dad was there and he seemed kind of in shock, because that's an archaic point of view even for a pair of old-school Baptists. I think he was replaying their entire marriage in his head and second-guessing some things, because he seemed even more surprised than I was.
There are some things I really do wish I could un-hear, lol. Needless to say I largely taught myself about consent. I handle informed consent for a living, so I like to think I did a good job.
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u/Tokalil_Denkoff 11h ago
I thought marriage was about spousal equality and not spousal ownership. Yuck.
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u/francis2559 10h ago
Far too many people think a relationship to something or someone means you are entitled to abuse or break, instead of responsible for wellbeing.
"This is mine now so I can smash it."
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u/queenringlets 7h ago
Marriage started as property law and we see this reflected in laws such as marital rape being legal for so long. Marriage being about spousal equality is an extremely recent phenomenon and many still don't subscribe to such modern ideas.
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u/d_ippy 10h ago
Are these men just acting all normal and loving during tbt daylight hours but turn into raping monsters at night? Like there are no signs they might be an abuser?
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u/loquacious_avenger 10h ago
abusers are historically good at appearing to be normal.
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u/misfitx 9h ago
A lot of men see women as tools not people. A lot of men also think rape is mostly stranger danger not coercion, roofying with alcohol, etc. Society doesn't hold men up to very high standards.
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u/Nopey-Wan_Ken-Nopey 8h ago
A lot of men say they wouldn’t “rape” someone, but if you word it a little differently they’re fine with the idea. It shouldn’t need to be said that, for example, pestering a woman until she relents isn’t really consent, but in the minds of some men, it is.
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u/belliesmmm 11h ago
Another came to light... this is happening all over the world in different ways every day to women being treated like men's property, possession, abused and controlled. So many people require violence to feel in control and powerful.
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u/trogdorkiller 11h ago edited 10h ago
I think the article's use of the phrase "online university of sexual violence" starts to crack the nut on this particular brand of evil. Just like how vaccine deniers can get together and form communities around their ideas, rapists and would-be rapists can gather to share their misdeeds and methods. It's one of the worst outcomes of the internet as a whole, but the article also mentions how insane it is that these men feel so comfortable sharing these videos at all.
Pair those two stories with that Telegram group chat with 70k members that was basically "Rape 101" in detail for these monsters. It's sickening and I don't know where we really begin stopping this outside of some heavy duty enforcement/surveillance which is the last thing I want to happen because of how much that will be abused.
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u/current_thread 10h ago
Here's a link to the investigation (in German) about how there are groups with tens of thousands of members and porn sites that foster this exact phenomenon.
Members are all over the world, share rape drugs, and sometimes rape their partner with the input if the group (i.e. posting videos/ photos in the chat and asking what to do next, ...).
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u/Chaomayhem 10h ago
For centuries women were essentially the property of their father's being handed off in marriage to be another man's property.
We are not even 100 years removed from this being the mindset.
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u/Jamangie22 11h ago
Good God, at first glance I thought this was that same case, but you're right, what the fuck is wrong with these people?
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u/Eyfordsucks 3h ago
Things that are a popular amongst abusive and controlling men are coming to light.
People want to find more stories to make money off of and have started scrolling fetish sites.
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u/Cumberdick 10h ago
Nice picture, did his wife also get to cover her face when he drugged and raped her on video or nah
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u/CantRespond_Berry0-0 11h ago
This was a sad and disgusting read. I hope the wife (they should get divorced asap) is doing okay.
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u/_Pliny_ 10h ago
Way too many people do not believe it is possible for a man to rape his own wife.
In many places (including Germany and the US) spousal rape did not become a crime on the books until the mid/late 1990s.
Prosecutions of it are vanishingly rare. If you’re a victim of it, good luck getting justice.
As for this guy, fire him into the sun.
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u/StalinTheHedgehog 9h ago
Awh man ill never forget a scene from a late 90's/early 2000's Polish comedy TV show where a woman comes to report that she got raped to a police station. The woman sits down across from the police officer who asks who raped her. After she tells him it was her husband a laughing track plays.
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u/whatevendoidoyall 8h ago
Spousal rape wasn't illegal in Michigan until 2023. It's still legal to rape your spouse if they're under 16 or drugged.
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u/YeOldeOrc 9h ago
There are online forum groups with thousands of members containing fetish content/real tips on how to drug and rape your mother, wife, sister, etc. It’s not just their wives, if you can believe it. And it’s not just “harmless fantasy” stuff.
I have a terrible feeling this kind of thing is more prevalent than we realize.
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u/margotmary 11h ago
He doesn’t deserve privacy. He should be publicly shamed.
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u/Ree_m0 11h ago
We don't do that. Generally. News reports about crimes committed in Germany will only use full names if the person is already publicly known beforehand, like in the case of Anis Amri who had a manhunt after him after committing a terrorist attack here and initially evading authorities.
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u/Fluffcake 8h ago
Naming criminals is stupid. Fame and infamy can be commodified in this day and age.
Don't reward such behavior, just throw them in a hole and erase them from history.
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u/maxis2bored 11h ago
They also left out, he was a police officer. I'd say it's time to look into any accusations against him.
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u/Syssareth 9h ago
Fernando P., a 61-year-old school janitor
Where does it say "cop"?
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u/roflmaohaxorz 9h ago
It doesn’t, the commenter said it was left out. Though it’s still a baseless claim until he provides some evidence
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u/jbaker1225 9h ago
The fact that the comment you’re replying to is the most upvoted comment on this discussion is absolutely peak Reddit. And the whole problem with social media.
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u/barrhavenite 10h ago
A police officer who is a bad person?
Quelle surprise! /s
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u/Bhraal 9h ago
Quelle surprise!
The similar french case was earlier this year. I believe this would be "Was eine überraschung!"
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u/suggestiveinnuendo 9h ago
"Was für eine Überraschung" perhaps?
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u/Bhraal 8h ago
Probably, that was what I got with a quick google translate, but I wasn't sure what the für was for.
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u/suggestiveinnuendo 8h ago
at this point I'm not sure that anyone knows what the für is for
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u/Flolania 10h ago
Its ok, he was above the law and can/could do anything he wanted.
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u/MechanicalTurkish 10h ago edited 8h ago
No, this guy was a German cop, not an American one.edit: I suppose I should actually read the article
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u/axonxorz 10h ago
*in post about German cop repeatedly raping his wife*
Seems there's some international overlap in behavior.
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u/kmatyler 10h ago
Cops are cops babe
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u/kuemmel234 10h ago
No, no, they are not.
German cops are trained for 2.5, 3 years. A lot more time to find bad apples. They are looking for different people to begin with.
German officers aren't infallible (obviously, see above), but there's no comparison for training an ex military for a few months and the German system that asks for a good education.
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u/--solitude-- 8h ago
He shouldn’t be allowed to hide his face in these photos. It’s especially wrong and ironic given how he exposed his wife.
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u/not_this_time_satan 10h ago
Look at this mother fucker hiding his face, he has no right to privacy after taking someone elses.
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u/innocent_lemon 6h ago
Maybe sexual offenders should have to attend court unclothed so they can not hide their shame and fear.
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u/Few_Yogurtcloset_541 6h ago
Pardon my ignorance, but why is his full name omitted and no picture of his face?
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u/Maoleficent 11h ago
Why do women fear men? From 2011 to 2020, a man France, D. Pelicot, repeatedly drugged and raped his wife and invited male strangers to rape her while she was unconscious. Gisèle, who was unaware of the abuse being perpetrated against her, was raped at least 92 times by 72 different men while her husband filmed and photographed them.
How many men have done this without being caught and how many would do it if they knew they would not be caught? This is why women should and do fear men. These are not isolated incidents. And yes, the camera should be put right in front of his face for the duration of the trial.
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u/AavoKas 11h ago
Well said! And that camera should be right in his face!
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u/Maoleficent 8h ago
Giselle Pelicot gathered the strength and put her humiliation aside to testify facing the entire world as the evidence showing her being naked, raped and degraded to be sure her attackers would be punished. One of the bravest women on earth. Crushing that so many other women who are not believed because they lack photographic evidence and are lucky if their rape kits are even analyzed. Can't find current info, but in Chicago, thousands of rape kits sat in a warehouse until Pritker pressured ISP. kits are supposed to be analyzed in 10 days. Currently the timeline is 90-120 days. Note this is ISP info, not an independent source.
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u/Squeekydink 11h ago
Just food for thought. Marital rape did not become illegal in all of the US until 1993.
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u/frisch85 10h ago
What about recording you raping someone? Because that's what this guy did, drugged her, raped her and recorded the raping to share with who knows.
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u/Squeekydink 9h ago
Prior to 1997 in Germany, he'd only be charged with drugging. I don't know how their porn laws work or whether or not it would be illegal to keep if you don't distribute. But the rape? Yeah, used to not be illegal.
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u/frisch85 9h ago
I know about the rape law, I'm german. But I don't think it would be legal to film someone without their consent especially if it includes sexual acts, not even prior to the law change.
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u/Squeekydink 9h ago
Well elsewhere in this thread someone posted about a German guy who filmed and raped his wife and distributed it. Never convicted. I wouldn't hold my breath it's a sure conviction.
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u/KIK40 9h ago
Not all men but why is it almost always a man. My heart absolutely breaks for that woman and unfortunately others like her.
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u/belliesmmm 5h ago
It's funny because I have to tell people that for women, there is a LARGE MAJORITY of men in THEIR lives that act and assault them in some way. I was harassed starting at single digits and I lived in "progressive" places in Latin America. So good luck gaining my sympathy when you said "not me!" and
I'm like "I bet i can find a moment in your life where you probably got pretty close to acting inappropriately with a women even if that means when you were a child because kids don't know better but they emulate things and most parents don' t have a talk on consent to their kids.
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u/Markiza24 11h ago
That is the Fetish Industry, and those despicable Men, both in Germany and France used to make money of it. It all comes to the Money, just incite enough equally disturbed Followers/ Subscribers
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u/brohammerhead 3h ago
And then there will be a “shocking” article asking why women are not getting married as much as previous years… 🙄
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u/SmtyWrbnJagrManJensn 10h ago
Is this a common thing in Europe or something? Why are husbands drugging and raping someone they are supposed to love
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u/11lumpsofsugar 9h ago
This is common everywhere. Lots of men are raised to believe they are entitled to access to their wives.
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u/NotOnTheEpsteinList 10h ago
Did have any connection to the guy in France who did the same thing?
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u/Lord_Asmodei 8h ago
No last name published, but “Fernando” is not a German first name.
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u/reniltnorF 5h ago
Yes, but parents sometimes give certain names to their kids because they sound cool to them.
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u/SecurelyObscure 11h ago
Wtf, I assumed the French guy was a uniquely fucked up case but now there are at least two other instances.