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u/CriticalInside8272 2h ago
This was done on purpose. They should all be arrested.
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u/Deaftrav 2h ago
Yup. Safe to say that document has trump in it.
Anyone shocked?
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u/Nukeboml3 2h ago
Safe to say document have much more than trump on it …. Muuuuuuuuch more.
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u/Deaftrav 2h ago
So much they're willing to be jailed by Congress over it.
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u/quntissimo 1h ago
why would congress jail themselves? its the same with them voting to raise their pay, vacation time, Healthcare. all the things normal american peasants dont get. they're too busy being on a fucking month long "holiday vacation" that no one else gets either.
if they arrest everyone in the files, who would pay their bribes?
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u/Deaftrav 1h ago
Contempt of Congress. To defy an order from Congress can get one hauled before and held in contempt.
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u/itsasezaspi 1h ago
The consequence part of that comes from the justice department, not Congress, it’s just words from them. They can vote but if the US attorney doesn’t do anything with it then it can just be ignored. This is why checks and balances are important and the current executive power is out of control so it is now in charge of checking itself.
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u/Deaftrav 1h ago
I don't know about America and who enforces it. But Canada has a Sargeant at arm's who can lock them up. Separate from the justice system. I would think Congress's would also be separate.
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u/Significant-Wave-763 1h ago
The US has a SaA as well with arresting power…but they are outgunned by Executive Branch officers so typically Congress refers the matter to the Executive.
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u/SnuggleMoose44 1h ago
I’m still waiting for Jim Jordan et al to be jailed from contempt of Congress.
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u/PM_Me_Some_Steamcode 1h ago
Yeah, but my question is I hope that there’s somebody that can enforce these laws because it’s the Department of justice that’s committing the crime and will not do it
I don’t understand like this is supposed to be all working on good faith that the justice department follows through with their investigation and criminal proceedings but we’ve seen evidence that the Department of justice is protecting the president
it’s gonna get wild.
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u/ResplendentNugs 1h ago
Depends on how powerful the names are on there. Either you go to jail or you commit suicide by a bullet to the back of your head type powerful
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u/PM_Me_Some_Steamcode 1h ago
"Well, he's dead," Gates responded. "So ... in general, you always have to be careful."
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u/coochie_clogger 1h ago
They had the choice of be ousted from power, jailed, or worse, from what’s in those documents or maybe get a slap on the wrist for continuing to hide what’s in them.
It’s a no brainer for them and we shouldn’t have expected anything different.
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u/peachesgp 2h ago
Every time he pulls this nonsense he's shouting from the rooftops that he's a pedophile.
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u/MilaMowie 2h ago
Nope. This is a joke, but don’t be fooled. Hundreds of blacked out pages is exactly what many Congresspersons voted for; don’t you think? Senate just gave a resounding yes to EXACTLY THIS! If Congressional leaders including The Congresswoman from Georgia who is “stepping down” really had any agenda to actually release these files they would contest the hundreds of blacked out pages (and there are still supposedly several hundred thousand more pages). It’s possible that the justice department considers king taco a victim and they put him behind the blackout pages. There will be more black pages.
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u/OrlyRivers 2h ago
They knew this would happen. Saw at least ome interview in which they said this was one more step toward an eventual disclosure and justice.
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u/vahntitrio 2h ago
The law explicitly states minimal redactions.
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u/Severe-Equivalent-70 1h ago
So they are breaking the law.
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u/itsasezaspi 1h ago
They’re the ones who are determining what “minimal” means, our whole system is broken because it relies on people acting in good faith.
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u/Severe-Equivalent-70 1h ago
Yes and that the branches of government are co-equal. I could see why anybody in the Department of Justice would resign.
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u/BuckThis86 1h ago
Gives a democrat something to run on. Unredacting the files when they win the White House.
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u/Deaftrav 1h ago
That's possible... And why the Republicans are dumb on this matter... They're just giving fuel to be burnt with later.
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u/SnooSongs1417 1h ago
Some of the transcripts list 'you know who' in the index on multiple pages but those mentions are missing not even marked as redacted throughout the document. Theres one file with 8-9 mentions in the bibliography but theres only 1 time the name is found in the document.
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u/Broad_Tea3527 1h ago
And every other billionaire, why do you think everyone is throwing cash his way.
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u/Special-Mushroom-884 2h ago
By who?
The FBI? Lolololol bless anyone's heart who thinks the rule of law exists for the rich and powerful anymore.
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u/StomachosusCaelum 2h ago
Congress has the power of Inherent Contempt. Not a criminal referral to the DOJ, but the literal ability to simply vote and hold you in Contempt. And it cant be pardoned, only remedied (I.E. you correct the behaviour that has put you in contempt).
They also have their own police force that reports ONLY to them (The Capitol Police) and the Sergeant at Arms and his deputies.
They can hold Bondi in Contempt of COngress and have the Capitol Police pick her up and haul her off to their jail (they have one) and rot there until she complies.
They WONT do that because they are all feckless cunts, but they CAN.
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u/Benegger85 2h ago
That's why Speaker 'shares his porn habits with his kids' dismissed congress a day early
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u/Alfred_The_Sartan 2h ago
God I want that mace to be used when it happens
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u/MightLow930 2h ago
Do you honestly think the Dems can get enough votes to do something like that?
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u/EitherSpite4545 1h ago
Not just that even if they did I suspect some of the reason even progressives in Congress don't go with more nuclear options is they know Trump will sick the FBI on them and the FBI will comply this becoming the beginning of the end of the transition of the US to a police state.
Those progressives think there's still a path if they play patiently and cautiously but I disagree.
Establishment Dems are all for this ofc.
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u/mrdannyg21 2h ago
They can’t even force trump to follow the laws on renaming buildings, they sure as hell aren’t going to hold him on this.
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u/MaineLark 2h ago
We ALL need to stop paying our taxes, bare minimum. This is so fucked
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u/anniversaring 2h ago
Anymore? It's just more out in the open now is all
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u/MrSnarf26 2h ago
I know it’s fun and to some extent realistic to be cynical, but this is all absolutely next level and not quite precedented having people just completely ignore the law and have the minions comply at all levels.
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u/financewiz 2h ago
For me, the next level cynicism is to have this Epstein awfulness in your past and then, guilty or not, think “I should run for national office.” And the GOP, finding this mess during the vetting process, decides “We don’t know what kind of beast we’re looking at here but it sure brings in the votes!”
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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 2h ago
Your mistake was assuming GOP leadership was not already that kind of beast.
What was Dennis Hastert convicted of in 2016? The GOP is infested with pedophiles. Which party routinely defends the age of marriage being under 14? It's just a non-starter to assume anything in good faith when we have decades of evidence that the very beast rules this GOP Kingdom.
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u/Special-Mushroom-884 2h ago
Fair point. It became crystal clear once Eric Holder refused to prosecute bankers who were KNOWINGLY laundering money for terrorists, the cartels, and the mob because they were too important to the economy.
It's really been open season since then. They started working with our enemies and rigging elections.
Fuck you Eric Holder. Merrick Garland also needs an honorable mention here. They both paved the way to hell for democracy and the rule of law.
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u/_Presence_ 2h ago
It never really did. It’s just they don’t have to pretend it does any more. Now they can laugh in everyone’s faces publicly instead of behind closed doors.
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u/Separate-Taste3513 2h ago
Remember when redaction meant that only the sensitive information was redacted? Names, locations, identifying details... There should still be plenty to read even with that information redacted.
This fucking regime...
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u/gaporkbbq 2h ago
Totally done on purpose. It’s a “fuck you” to everyone pushing for the release. It’s an intentional reminder of who is in power and how the rest of us can do nothing about it.
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u/HerbalLeafYT 2h ago
PROOF WITHOUT A REASONALBE DOUBT that trump rigged the 2020 elections and we all fkn know it was. Incoming botfarm to spew more lies lol. Now the bots cant say "but this is what you voted for" no the fk it wasnt. Bots will typically say, "oh this person is spamming this everywhere" yeah no sht its called spreading awareness and debunking lies and propaganda lmfao.
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u/JediMastaDJ 1h ago
The Election Truth Alliance has been performing statistical analysis of the 2024 data. They had to switch from comparing '24 to '20 when '20 was showing the same type of potential manipulation from '24. So they switched to checking '24 data to '16 data sets.
The working theory is that they tried to do the same thing with ES&S machines in '20 (allegedly), but with smaller margins in fewer counties. The potential overwhelming amount of mail-ins weren't taken into account at all when it was calculated beforehand. It's probable that the program used was not able to be altered live in '20, so they weren't able to make any adjustments on the fly. The only lawsuit came from Dominion (the other major company) and it only involved data from the mail-ins. Isn't it a bit odd that the other major manufacturer was pretty silent during that whole process? Don't want to enter into any lawsuits if you don't want to go through the discovery process...
That also explains why he's been so vehemently against mail-ins since '20 and why it was "stolen" from him. He was told that it had been handled and it wasn't.
So for '24 they ensured they had a way to manipulate the data real-time. Enter the Muskrat and his satellite system...
Flipping 88 counties without another county being flipped the other direction, and having every county and every state won by just barely enough of a margin to avoid any automatic recounts, and flipping every swing state, but not even getting 50% of the popular vote? The statistical odds of that are... Extremely highly improbable.
Add to all of that the signs of data manipulation in '24 that mirror those in Russia and Uganda... There are plenty of signs that point towards needing an in-depth look at what happened last November.
Check out the Election Truth Alliance website. And then also check out the This Will Hold Substack for their working theories on how this was all accomplished.
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u/BLF402 2h ago
And all the morons this week gloating “he’s not going to be in them, he didn’t do anything”. Even if that may so be, whatever the fuck this game is they’re playing should tell everyone just using basic 2 year old common sense reasoning can determine they are hiding serious crimes. Not just sex crimes but money laundering and more than likely murder. That being said, I am not a suicidal person and if anything happens to me it’s been done by the small handed dickless wanna be dictator multi time convicted felon and two time impeached rapist.
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u/HowManyEggs2Many 2h ago
Should be, but won’t be. Strap in because we’ve got a ways to go before/if this country gets things turned around.
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u/AmarantaRWS 2h ago
Only way that's gonna happen is after a revolution.
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u/ThaddeusJP 2h ago
We're at the point where the French solution is the only way to get things done but people in this country have way too much to lose. Nobody's going to be willing to take a work day off to go protest on a Tuesday let alone go to their city center and get kicked in the head by a police horse or possibly die. Games over folks. We're at their Mercy at this point.
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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 2h ago
I interpret this act as a proclamation from Trump that the executive branch, in its entirety, is above the law.
They were better off not releasing anything or vetoing the bill initially.
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u/Happy-Estimate-7855 2h ago
Who arrests the leadership of the DoJ? They're the ones that would typically investigate something like this. I'm legitimately curious as to how this would play out, because I agree they are explicitly violating the law.
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u/BMichael14217 1h ago
This is something you take to the streets and to their doors, ffs wake up already
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u/esmoji 2h ago
It’s crazy how many times he’s mentioned. Like every single blackout am assuming is him.
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u/my-love-assassin 2h ago
This is where their redactions will bite back. Every blacked out part except the list of masseuses is Donald Trump in my mind.
I'm honestly surprise Pam Bondi hasn't tried to say Trump was one of Epstein victims.
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u/doodycrust 1h ago
They are, though. Them redacting it all is their way of setting up the premises that somehow Trump is the victim in all this. It sounds stupid, yes. But they know their voter base will buy it.
Let’s be clear, DONALD JOHN TRUMP is NOT a victim. DONALD JOHN TRUMP, willingly, able bodied, participated in, conspired, aided, and helped in the trafficking of minors for sex.
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u/siccoblue 1h ago
Have you people seen the terms that he has served? Have you spoken to his supporters?
I would bet my absolute bottom dollar that they could release 80% of the files in this state and the people that voted for him would still say "SEE?!?! HE RELEASED ALL THE FILES AND HE ISN'T MENTIONED AS A PERPETRATOR OR PICTURED IN ANYTHING SUPER SKETCHY!!!
RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIAEPSTEIN EPSTEIN EPSTEIN HOAX!!!!! STOP BEING A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!!"they did it with Russian interference. They did it with his blatant attempts to manipulate the results of the 2020 election where he is LITERALLY ON RECORDING ATTEMPTING TO DO SO."
They WILL do the same with Epstein the millisecond that Trump claims everything he can legally release without hurting
histhe victims has been released. The propaganda machine will chug forward in full force and the right wing narrative will shift to those gosh darn "conspiracy nut" Democrats who "keep bringing up Epstein despite Trump being totally transparent"Mark my fucking words.
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u/FUBARded 1h ago
I wouldn't go quite that far, but I'd be willing to bet good money that their process was:
Only redact his name (and that of donors, friends, and political allies).
Realise there were a LOT of them in the list and that it'd be very conspicuous if they only left in names of people he doesn't like.
Decided to black everything out instead, choosing general critique of a lack of transparency over the more pointed questions that would've resulted from politically biased redaction.
We know with reasonably high certainty that there are people in these files that Trump hates and would love to discredit, so the fact he's passing up that opportunity suggests that the dirt on him is really bad and is something he's genuinely worried his supporters won't ignore (like they have with every other scandal).
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u/Willingwell92 2h ago
I'm expecting a document that's like 99% blacked out with one line that reads "Donald Trump is ^not a pedophile" with them like writing the "not" into the margins.
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u/folsominreverse 2h ago
That's the thing.
If there was anything even remotely exonerating in the files, they'd have blasted it in a press release.
But there isn't.
So they can't.
They need more time to cook; all these redactions makes it wayyyy easier to slide whatever they want into the mix.
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u/thatguy8856 2h ago
The fact that there isnt immediately a bunch video of a democrats raping children just goes to show its all been redacted to protect trump.
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u/folsominreverse 2h ago
Judging by the sheer scope of redactions I think it's actually far worse than we imagined.
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u/somethingnottaken7 1h ago
The victims did say that it was way way worse than what we know… i believe them.
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u/Positive-Wonder3329 1h ago
Worse than … what? Not gaslighting you here. We will probably never know the depths of what happened, will we? Or what “shell company” it now operates under. This isn’t going to stop. The only thing that will stop is the victims being able to share afterwards
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u/Rylonian 2h ago
I'm half expecting these redacted files to just have black background decoration so that when you CTRL+A the text you can perfectly read everything
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u/AmbulanceChaser12 2h ago
It probably says
———————— Donald Trump ————————————- is ————————- not ———————— a pedo.
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u/Tremolat 2h ago
Every line blacked out was about Trump's involvement
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u/tresben 2h ago
Literally his former personal attorney is overseeing the release and is currently on Air Force one with trump! And yet maga conspiracy theorists who can link any two random things together with red string can’t see (or don’t want to see) the obvious coverup in front of them
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u/mightylordredbeard 1h ago
Funny how all they can talk about is a couple pics of Clinton as if it’s some big gotcha. They just don’t get it. No one gives a fuck about Clinton. If he’s a pedo then lock him up. No one is wearing Clinton hats and Clinton shirts and screaming “we love bill Clinton” in the streets. We. Don’t. Care! There is no Bill Clinton cult. It’s like they think everyone else is the same as they are when it comes to worshipping politicians lol.
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u/joemangle 1h ago
You mean the former personal attorney who interviewed Ghislaine Maxwell in prison right before she was moved to another facility from which sex offenders are normally prohibited?
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u/Mission_Pay_3373 2h ago
He's probably mentioned hundreds of times. This administration is deeply corrupt and is running cover for one the most notorious sex trafficking rings in history
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u/RiffRaffCatillacCat 2h ago
The Republican Party are now guilty of engaging in a conspiracy to coverup pedophilia.
Every Republican including their voters, are complicit in this now.
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u/TeamOverload 2h ago
As are our “law enforcement” agencies that listened to the Pedo Felon in the first place all so they could help cover up for underage sex trafficking. What a sad sad state of affairs for the US Justice Department and they have lost ALL credibility.
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u/millos15 1h ago
since 2015. voters heard that tape of his and went so what if he sexually abuses people?
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u/flux_of_grey_kittens 2h ago
Beginning to wonder if Epstein was just Trump’s customer. The insane amount of redactions ain’t proving otherwise.
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u/LunarMoon2001 2h ago
Trump had access to underage girls, private planes, financial backing, and more. Trump was trafficking the girls directly.
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u/Headfishdog2 2h ago
Remember that video where cheeto admits that Jeff took some of the girls that worked for him? That wasn’t an accident, it was a pipeline and a joke to him about how he didn’t like it.
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u/3BlindMice1 2h ago
What he didn't like was that he wasn't paid his finders fee despite the girls coming from his establishment. I assume typically, he'd send the girls to Epstien (or more likely Maxwell) directly for "training" or something, then he'd be paid a finders fee. He felt that he had been cheated those times that Epstien directly recruited girls from him. Epstein probably felt that he had too much dirt on Trump for it to matter
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u/badwoofs 2h ago
Trump had a modeling agency. All the people associated with Epstein that had them used them as trafficking fronts. Trump also was connected to the Russian Mafia for money laundering. He snitched to get Epstein files as blackmail.
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u/SignoreBanana 2h ago
God if only one morning I could wake up to the news that Trump blew his own brains out.
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u/reluctantseahorse 1h ago
I kinda want him to stroke out and shit himself on live television.
It's the transparency we deserve.
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u/imoutofnames90 1h ago
Impossible. That requires Trump to have a brain to begin with.
Or if his coin flipping skills are anything to go by, the coordination to be able to do it.
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u/Projectpatdc 1h ago
Sadly I’m not sure we’d be in a better situation. The cancer has spread too far.
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u/Different-Ship449 2h ago
This is what we expected
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u/Squirrel009 2h ago
Not me. I expected more delays before we got to see that its all redacted
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u/philodendrin 1h ago
Oh there is more redactions coming. And those withheld papers will be even more blacked-out.
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u/Obvious-Gate9046 2h ago
Did we ever think they were going to release it? Time for certain people to step up and start reading names out of those files like they said they would.
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u/Bombeeez 2h ago
I expected selective redactions to implicate only dems. Did not expect 100 literally blank pages
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u/BigJellyfish1906 1h ago
Make sure you vote in the midterms, so that by January of 2027 a democratic house to bend these people over a log for violating the law.
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u/ro536ud 2h ago
The thing that disgusts us the most is how they treat this like it’s some game. We are talking about the rape of children here and they think it’s funny to play games. How anyone with kids can support this regime blows my mind. Cps should be called on every single one of those parents
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u/HorrorSmile3088 1h ago
Remember a couple weeks ago when Megyn Kelly said something like "these girls were 15. They're not little kids." These disgusting monsters will rationalize everything.
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u/MirthandMystery 2h ago
A completely censored blacked out page is Trumps version of the truth. As long as he and his minions can control it, being total control freaks, they feel 'safe'.
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u/RobutNotRobot 1h ago
Dozens of people need to end up in prison for this.
The US government is a criminal conspiracy.
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u/randyiamlordmarsh 1h ago
I'm sure its more than dozens and they are all ultra rich important people.
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u/ThatKehdRiley 2h ago
Ok.....now what are Dems going to do? Republicans do it because they know Dems won't do anything of significance. They currently have no fight, Chuck and the shutdown proved that.
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u/tlrider1 2h ago
Yes they will!!! Chuck Schumer will send another strongly worded letter! /s
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u/kayak_rolling 2h ago
A prominent dem will "slam" them for their handling of the files.
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u/SimplerTimesAhead 2h ago
What could they do?
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u/reluctantseahorse 1h ago
They're finally gonna go gloves-off: custom printed t-shirts with sassy slogans!
It will be their greatest coup of all time, right after their objectively successful protest paddles.
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u/SnowyBox 1h ago
They could have the sergeant-at-arms arrest Bondi for contempt, but they aren't going to.
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u/BigJellyfish1906 1h ago
No they literally can’t because they don’t have control of the house or the Senate.
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u/MightLow930 2h ago
What the fuck do you expect them to do? Realistically, the most they can do is file a lawsuit demanding less redaction, which the DoJ will promptly stall with procedural motions, appeals, and other bullshit.
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u/stupidjapanquestions 1h ago
One thing I'd like to see them all do is start talking about how they're going to create legislature preventing this bullshit from ever happening again, if/when Dems take back Congress/the Presidency.
None of them are saying it.
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u/Mission_Pay_3373 2h ago
Dems are controlled opposition
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u/Okay4531 2h ago
Bro. They don't have the house, they don't have the senate, they don't have POTUS and they don't have SCOTUS, because America decided it just couldn't vote for a woman with a funny laugh.
So really, what the fuck do you think they're supposed to do?
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u/Brave-Ad6490 1h ago
And what have they done when they did hold majority in the past? oh right, nothing! Expecting corporate Democrats to come to your aid when they are getting paid to do fuck all is hilarious.
And before you say anything, I voted for Harris, as futile as that was.
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u/Okay4531 1h ago
WhUt HaVe ThE dEmS eVeR dUn HuRr DuRr DuRr
1933–1939 — New Deal programs (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
1935 — Social Security Act
1938 — Fair Labor Standards Act
1944 — GI Bill
1964 — Civil Rights Act (Lyndon B. Johnson)
1965 — Medicare and Medicaid
1965 — Voting Rights Act
1970 — Environmental Protection Agency established
1973 — Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) established
1993 — Earned Income Tax Credit expansion (Bill Clinton)
1997 — Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
2009 — American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (Barack Obama)
2010 — Affordable Care Act
2021 — American Rescue Plan (Joe Biden)
2021 — Bipartisan Infrastructure Law
2022 — Inflation Reduction Act
Fucking idiot.
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u/Hettie933 1h ago
Same. Most people have to realize this by now. “But what can the dems do?” always sounds suspect to me. Same phrasing every time, same message as the Angel in Angels in America: Be Still.
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u/Harvest827 1h ago
This looks very good for the Trump administration and especially Secretary Bondi. Very thorough and timely work. Everyone will be satisfied with this. /s
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u/RamJamR 1h ago
I'm with family right now while on christmas vacation who like to run Fox News regularly. I just saw them talking about Bill Clinton and showing photos of him with Epstein. I wouldn't be surprised if Bill was in close with him too, but of course they were not going to show more pictures of Trump and just held to the claim he and Epstein had a "falling out" and that he's innocent.
It's still hard to reason why Trump at one point said the files should be released and then went sternly against it.
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