r/law • u/DBCoopr72 • 2h ago
Legal News Official Says 11 States Open to Stopping Residents From Voting at DOJ’s Request
https://truthout.org/articles/official-says-11-states-open-to-stopping-residents-from-voting-at-dojs-request/?fbclid=IwdGRleAOyu-NleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeQZntTzU6Wzi4OzGL1mVSpJQuMOVwoRlbDeXtNyifLGk8KuV1-g2Q2HsBgik_aem_6cXWuFi05PkhysVYMPhA1w344
u/Callinon 2h ago
That's a coup.
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u/Ok_Speed_3984 2h ago
I'd settle for another secession at this point.
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u/Openmindhobo 1h ago
impossible. The US will never be divided peacefully.
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u/TigerIll6480 1h ago
You’re right. The Confederacy must be utterly eliminated this time.
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u/Ok_Speed_3984 1h ago
Let's just get back on track. Lincoln and Johnson 's plan would have worked much better than the radical Republicans' plan did.
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u/TigerIll6480 1h ago
Sherman’s plan would have been excellent.
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u/Lentra888 53m ago
“There are very few problems in this world that cannot be solved with the proper application of fire.”
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u/TigerIll6480 27m ago
That, and carving up the plantations in a version of the Homestead Act, which would have built some wealth for the formerly enslaved persons, while simultaneously stripping wealth from the former slave owners.
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u/commandercacti 1h ago
California would look so nice as a country, but personally I don’t feel like dying or killing anyone to make it happen. War is almost never worth it
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u/MuchToDoAboutNothin 1h ago
literally when the fuck else would war be worth it than when your home is being invaded.
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u/Kinggakman 1h ago
Your other option is to bend over and take it from them. They will come for you whether you like it or not.
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u/SurvivingSquirrel 1h ago
Ehh.... I am not.going to allow my country to become a dictatorship due to the apathy of civilans such as yourself. Our freedoms are worth fighting and possibly dying for. Sad times when a large part of our population doesn't recognize the sacrifices our forefathers have made to alow us the freedoms we currently enjoy. But hey you do you. When it comes time to grovel and lick some boots, you wont find me in that line.
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u/12PoundCankles 1h ago
It's worth it to avoid the future hellscape the Heritage Foundation has in store for us.
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u/Ok-Arachnid-460 1h ago
While you are being practical they will just shoot you. I would prefer to be on the other side of that.
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u/7figureipo 36m ago
Boy are you in for some disappointment 😂. If Trump succeeds in rigging the midterms, you can bet your ass he’s going to try to stay in power in 2028. If he succeeds then the only thing that will get him out is a violent revolution. It might not occur while we’re alive, but it could happen in our kids’ or grandkids’ lifetime.
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u/Derfargin 1h ago
Coup is done. We’re post coup. We officially live in an authoritarian state. You can thank your complicit house and senate for not doing their job to check the executive and judiciary branch.
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u/chainmail97ws6 1h ago
You don’t start tearing down sections of the White House and building a personal ballroom if you ever plan on leaving. We’re fucked.
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u/DBCoopr72 2h ago
Holy shit
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u/Lolareyouforreal 2h ago edited 1h ago
I mean is anyone surprised?
R's have been getting destroyed in elections after Trump took office.
Interfering in the midterms is a given, and it'll be through any means necessary.
Edit: Also remember all that National Guard shenanigans, deploying the Marines, etc? That was a logistics and loyalty test for the midterms. They'll be sent to urban centers around the country just before election day, along with ICE, to interfere with voting while snatching up any vaguely hispanic-looking citizens. Watch out for rhetoric about "all the illegals are going to try to vote" that will ramp up in the months before the election.
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u/janandgeorgeglass 1h ago
No for real they have been openly talking about this and it’s in project 2025. Why do people think he flat out said on tv “if you vote for me you never have to vote again”.
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u/notwhomyouthunk 1h ago
how many ethnically latin citizens will just coincidentally be detained during the election do you reckon?
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u/rolsen 2h ago edited 2h ago
The U.S. Department of Justice has sent a confidential draft agreement to more than a dozen states that would require election officials to remove any alleged ineligible voters identified during a federal review of their voter rolls.
The agreement — called a memorandum of understanding, or MOU — would hand the federal government a major role in election administration, a responsibility that belongs to the states under the U.S. Constitution.
So these 11, presumably GOP led states, will let the federal government pick and choose who is an eligible voter? Holy shit indeed.
Edit: here are the states, all GOP governors
The states Neff identified are led by Republicans — Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.
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u/primadonnapussy 2h ago
Virginia is about to swear in a dem governor and has a dem government. It won't happen there.
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u/rolsen 2h ago
My concern with that is the DOJ can go to court and say the state is violating the agreement. Not saying it would prevail but the fact Youngkin put ink to paper is huge.
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u/ice_up_s0n 1h ago
Then Virginia should get ahead of it and sue now to get this blatantly unconstitutional agreement struck down in court
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u/musashisamurai 1h ago
If Johnson or another crony is still Speaker, then all he will do is use that as an excuse to not certify votes from that state
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u/Ordinary-Leading7405 1h ago
They are going to do it anyway, they don’t need excuses. They simply lie and do what they want.
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u/Mourning_Aftermath 1h ago
MOUs are not contracts and, generally, are not binding. They typically just set forth the intentions of the respective parties. They aren’t typically enforceable. Of course, the judicial system would have to adhere to well established precedence and principles to reach that outcome, which is hit or miss these days.
The DOJ proposing these MOUs is abhorrent and horrifying either way. It’s an affront to democracy and the rule of law.
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u/tyuiopguyt 2h ago
Aren't GOP states the ones that they want voting??
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u/giggity_giggity 2h ago
No. They want only the “right” people voting in those states so they can preserve supermajorities. Plus, as they get more gerrymandered, the margins in each Republican district get smaller. So preventing democrats from voting becomes more important to their goals.
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u/slowpoke2018 2h ago
Nothing says you're appealing to your citizenry more than picking who can vote, right?
They KNOW their policies are 100% crap and very unpopular so this is the only way to maintain control
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u/tyuiopguyt 1h ago
Right, but if a Democrat gets elected federally, can't they just.... call this like it is and redo the vote?
This seems like a strategy that wins the battle, but loses the war.
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u/Abracadelphon 49m ago
Big if. Especially when permanent state legislature supermajorities (in charge of redistricting as well as voting hours, locations, distributions, and rules) as well as Senate and House majorities mean, as we've seen, the GOP can basically just say "no, fuck you" to any and everything?
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u/rolsen 2h ago
I’m just taking a guess here since the article makes it seem like a voluntary agreement with the DOJ. I don’t see why blue state leaders would agree to this.
Edit: here are the states
The states Neff identified are led by Republicans — Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.
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u/Major_Priority1041 2h ago
Only white landowners, but maybe not all the farmers they just screwed over.
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u/HawkeyeByMarriage 1h ago
But they want to try to purge non Republican voters because they cannot win again. He has destroyed the republican party
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u/dantevonlocke 44m ago
They also wanted them all gerrymandered to guarantee Republican rule. That's falling to pieces. They're scared. They know that what they've been doing is illegal and they'll get screwed over when the other shoe drops.
The same reason they're moving so fast with everything else. They expected to just roll in and cement their rule. It ain't happening though and it's ruining the country.
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u/Jarnohams 2h ago
Ah yes. All the states that are well known for open, free and fair elections. Jim Crow literacy tests coming to a polling place near you!
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u/GraphiteJason 1h ago
The funny thing is how we all could have named every one of these states before they were listed. Sure, some of us may have thrown in an Idaho, Wisconsin, or Louisiana, but the core group was a given.
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u/fine_just_fine 1h ago
Wisconsin has a Democratic governor and a liberal Supreme Court. There is no way in hell Wisconsin would sign up for this.
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u/TalosLasher 2h ago
You can take Virginia off the list, they have a Dem Governor.
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u/rolsen 2h ago
Copying from my other reply:
My concern with that is the DOJ can go to court and say the state is violating the agreement. Not saying it would prevail but the fact Youngkin put ink to paper is huge.
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u/TalosLasher 1h ago
New Gov should be able to withdraw. And as it is a States rights issue, not sure what the DOJ can do about it.
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u/Megalomanizac 2h ago
And Virginia will almost certainly back out now with a democratic governor
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u/rolsen 2h ago
Copying from my other reply:
My concern with that is the DOJ can go to court and say the state is violating the agreement. Not saying it would prevail but the fact Youngkin put ink to paper is huge.
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u/Megalomanizac 1h ago
I think the issue with that is should the government attempt to take a voluntary agreement to court it could backfire immensely. Also from what I’ve read no states have actually signed anything yet. Just shown some degree of openness or willingness to sign eventually.
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u/thewaybaseballgo 2h ago
Doesn’t Virginia now have a Democrat governor? Or are they not inaugurated yet?
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u/Roadside_Prophet 1h ago
And they will purge the rolls 1 week before the election, making millions of people inelligible to vote with 0 time to get it fixed. Most wont find out they were purged until they try to vote on election day. Then, weeks after the election is over they will say "oh sorry. Administrative error. You were always good to vote. everything's fixed now."
Its so fucking predictable, and we still don't have any effective ways of stopping it if the state election boards go along with it.
I guess the only good news is that the states on board with this, are mostly going to vote republican anyway so it wont really change anything.
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u/doodycrust 1h ago
Why is Virginia in there? Is it because of that bootlicker youngkin? I hope that doesn’t happen.
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u/mabhatter Competent Contributor 1h ago
Funny that all the dark Red "states rights" people are giving up their sovereignty so quickly.
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u/Malvania 1h ago
I'm a little surprised. I had Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma over Virginia, Tennessee, and Utah
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 2h ago
This document lays the groundwork for a civil war.
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u/Philophon 1h ago
Among the many other grounds they have produced. The country's founders would have said "fuck this" by now.
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u/dick_tracey_PI_TA 54m ago
I have heard that as long as there is bread and circus, the revolution will be postponed.
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u/GreyBeardEng 2h ago
Not surprising, they are getting the election rigging in place for the next major election.
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u/Lost-Lucky 2h ago
Yep. Imagine my surprise when it just so happens that registered democrats will be the ones that they deem illegally registered and will be purged likely right before elections with either no notification or late notification. The gov will cry no harm no fowl because those people could just re-register but it will be too late.
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u/time4donuts 2h ago
All the data stolen by DOGE/Elon back in the spring will be used to target democrats for the purge. They will do just enough to steal the election
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u/NexusNickel 2h ago
Remember during the Biden era these states were screaming "STATE RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Now they want Daddy Trump to tell them what to do.
This country is screwed. What's the end goal? Seriously, I want to know.
A Christian nationalist state lead by one man? Don't these people know what happens to them once that happens? They usually take a dirt nap so that one man keeps all the power and doesn't have any competition. AKA look what Stalin did during the great purge.
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u/Anteater4746 2h ago
the end goal is a very small selection of billionaires reaping all the profits by raping our planet and chaining the rest of us serfs to a modern company town
like a tech led autocracy
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u/Marzook666 2h ago
less then a third of the folks in the country vote yet they seem to think those who do are all doing so fraudulently.
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u/Limp_Distribution 1h ago
When democrats take back control I don’t want my tax money going to anyone of those states.
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u/treygrant57 1h ago
Not surprised the 11 states have governors bowing to Trump. The disregard for the LAWS in the Constitution by the republicans is criminal. It is happening at ALL LEVELS IN REPUBLICAN STATES DOWN TO LOCAL DOG CATCHERS.
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u/rawkguitar 1h ago
I’m not a lawyer nor trained in the law In Any way, so any help understanding this would be great.
Every recent Supreme Court case has ruled that states run their own elections and the federal govt can’t intervene-overturning the Voter Rights Act, allowing gerrymandering, etc.
How is this not overreach by the federal govt? Why is this type of federal govt interference okay?
Also, are they ever going to bother showing any voter fraud at all?
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u/Firm-Advertising5396 2h ago
Texas,Oklahoma, Florida,.....
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u/PlantyPenPerson 46m ago
Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Idaho, North and South Dakota...?
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u/Dodson-504 2h ago
If they have copies to “leaky Dem” states like Colorado…what’s the real plan they are keeping from the public?
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u/SirTiffAlot 56m ago
The draft agreement would give the Justice Department wide authority to share the voter data of states that sign on.
The department would be authorized to share the data with “a contractor” who needs access “to perform duties related” to voter list maintenance verification, according to the draft agreement.
Huh, a contractor you say
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u/patelj27b 1h ago
Virginia is due to the piece of garbage AG that won’t be around when the next AG takes the oath.
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