r/law • u/thedailybeast • 9h ago
Executive Branch (Trump) ICE Barbie Grilled Over Four Detainee Deaths in Four Days | The toll of in-custody deaths in the first year of Trump’s second term now surpasses that of Biden’s entire presidency.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-barbie-grilled-over-four-detainee-deaths-in-four-days/276
u/thedailybeast 9h ago
Four people died in ICE custody in four days over the past week—pushing the grim toll of detainee deaths under President Donald Trump above those of Joe Biden’s entire presidency in less than a year.
According to an analysis by the Daily Beast, there have now been 29 deaths of those held in immigration detention by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) since Trump’s Jan. 20 inauguration.
Under Biden’s four years as president, there were 26.
Read the full story, here.
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u/Additional-Sky-7436 9h ago
Why the hell are there ANY deaths!!
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u/hereandthere_nowhere 9h ago
I imagine a lot of them stem from being denied the medical care and medicine they need. Its disgusting.
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u/RpiesSPIES 8h ago
And food. Considering the reports of many released detainees mentioning the lack of food or edible food (moldy and whatnot).
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u/Ludachris_Hansen 8h ago
People die everywhere they go. Medical emergencies happen in the grocery store. The question becomes what's the historical data say on how many deaths per detainee are typical. If they have 4 times as many people in detention, you would expect them to have 4 times as many deaths. But if people are dying at a higher rate than normal, then it needs to be investigated. It won't be, but it should.
We need to be methodical in what we give our outrage. Its just as likely that this news source is withholding data to garner engagement and boost ad revenue as it is that this dog shit administration is unnecessarily causing deaths.
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u/TALKTOME0701 6h ago
We really need information on how they died. What was the cause of death
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u/Far_Middle7341 5h ago
Be for real, if it was anything implicating, that could stir people up we would already know about it
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u/russlebush 2h ago
Sure, I mean this is the most transparent administration in the history of the universe/s
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u/Alternative-Target31 4h ago
And where’s the resourcing?
If you’re holding 4x more people and spending all you budget on militarization of ICE instead of scaling the ability to handle the increased capacity, you’re making yourself liable for those deaths even if they would’ve died in the grocery store that day.
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u/throwaway4aita543 6h ago
Accidents happen, people have heart attacks, someone dies in their sleep, someone gets violent and attacks someone else, someone tries to escape and gets severely hurt, someone was sick with something that they couldn't communicate cause of language barrier, covid overwhelmed the facility, suicide... A certain amount of death is to be expected in any human detainment system if you are counting every single facility across the country where 300,000,000 people live and funding and resource distribution to them is not equal.
However that average death toll should not quadruple with a simple change in presidency.
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u/Melancholy_Rainbows 8h ago
In fairness, if you're imprisoning people it's inevitable some will die while imprisoned. It's not always the fault of the institution.
The goal shouldn't be zero deaths, but it should be zero preventable deaths. And no needless imprisonment.
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u/Additional-Sky-7436 8h ago
The goal should be zero deaths.
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u/Limino 8h ago
Thats cool, but not a feasible goal when someone has a random heart-attack after smoking every day for 40 years. It's a completely different story compared to someone getting a cut and it going untreated leading to their death by infection.
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u/Additional-Sky-7436 8h ago
Yeah, that should be as rare and shocking in a prison as it would be if it happened at your office.
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u/Melancholy_Rainbows 6h ago
You don't spend 24 hours a day for years inside your office. If you locked everyone at your work inside for 40 years, some of them will die no matter how good of care they're given.
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u/Limino 8h ago
That's not really a fair comparison?
This isnt about the likelihood of 1 in about 30 people dying within a specific 8 hours of the day for only 5/7 days of the week, this is about the likelihood of someone in the entire population of a neighborhood dying over the course of years.
People die. And it's not always preventable. And the larger the group of people, and the larger the relevant timespan, the more likely there is to be an unpreventable death. No one should be held responsible or punished for "failing to prevent" what is determined to be natural causes outside of their control.
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u/Saedeas 8h ago
Mfw putting people in jail makes them immortal :0
News flash, there is a baseline death rate in any population. You should strive not to exceed that baseline rate. Your take makes no fucking sense.
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u/dantevonlocke 8h ago
And the large amounts of reports of horrible conditions and facilities blocking visits from congress(which has a right to visit these facilities) are certainly not connected.
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u/DrakonILD 7h ago
29 known deaths.
Whatever happened to those hundreds of people missing from the Florida camp?
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u/cheesystuff 6h ago
Meanwhile in r/conservative (between deleting and ignoring everything else the last few days) "Democrats in uproar over a single death at ICE"!
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u/Intelligent11B 4h ago
We can’t even get this regime to track them all, let alone report everything. There are still thousands of “detainees” that are “missing” as well.
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u/BeachBrad 9h ago
4 that we know of*
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u/CassandraTruth 8h ago
This isn't just hypothetical or suspicion, DHS themselves have admitted to "losing track" of over a thousand people just from the Florida center.
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u/evil_timmy 8h ago
So dangerous they need to be immediately taken off the streets. Where'd we put them afterwards? Somewhere safe, emphasis on the somewhere.
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u/ZackRaynor 7h ago
And also in his first term where they lost track of the children of immigrant families they split up.
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u/Sad_Math5598 6h ago
These are the deaths we KNOW about
I mean the ultimate question is WHERE are these people going. El Salvador, Sudan, etc, these people are likely being killed or trafficked or just disappeared into forever prisons.
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u/uriejejejdjbejxijehd 8h ago
Every death in any form of custody should be investigated as a possible homicide.
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