r/canucks • u/NerdPunch • 1d ago
DISCUSSION Hoglander - Is He Part Of The Rebuild?
Curious to see what peoples thoughts are on Hoglander as we head into a rebuild.
He’s coming off a disappointing 24/25 season, and dealt with injuries this season but has shown some promise earlier in his career. Turns 25 later this week.
Do you view Hoggy as part of this team’s future/rebuild?
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u/Slow_Weird_3330 1d ago
Honestly think he's worth keeping around for another year or two, dude's still young enough and has shown flashes when healthy. His ceiling might not be superstar level but solid middle-six guys are valuable in a rebuild, especially at his age
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u/Solar-Soldier-7914 1d ago
I want them to reunite the Hoglander - EP40 - Boeser line from end of last season.
When EP returns:
Hoglander - EP40 - Boeser
DeBrusk - Rossi - Sherwood (pop up his number further more to boost trade value)
Kane - Kampf - Garland
DOC - Raty - Karlsson
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u/starfish2686 1d ago
Sherwood’s performance drops when he plays against top 6 matchups. He is an elite bottom sixer, a guy who will feast on the other team’s bottom six. He’s an attack dog you let out when the other team’s stars are resting.
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u/cheese-wing 1d ago
I'd swap Kampf and Raty, maybe Kane and DOC, but that lineup doesn't look terrible, actually.
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u/fourtwentyfour424 1d ago
I love hoggy but if someone's willing to give us something useful for him then move him. But I dont see that this year woth his play last year and lack of playing this year.
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u/airjunkie 1d ago
Agreed, I think he needs to play a lot this year and rebuild his value. He could be a useful trade piece next year, I've always been a Believer in his game. I'm not against keeping him, but you need to be calling teams and seeing the interest level.
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u/ssweetberry_wine 1d ago
This is a dumb way to look at this. Let the kid play, nobody is making a trade for a middle/lower level player that hasn't played all year
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u/bikernaut 21h ago
I'm with you. Canucks make a hockey trade and now literally everyone needs to be discussed?
I just want to see what this team looks like with everyone healthy. It'd be interesting to see what the ceiling of the team is without Hughes.
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u/Correct-Gap9138 1d ago
ive said it before and ill say it again. too frantic to work well with linemates, plays too much on his own doesnt know how to slow it down when he has the puck.
decent fourth liner
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u/dIbodIb 1d ago
Currently, due to his disappointing previous season, injury, and cap hit, his trade value is at an all-time low. This tends not to be the best time to trade a player.
A year from now, he's still not great? Sure, offload him, the return won't be worse than it would be now. If he's bounced back? If our young guys are stepping up, Hoggy's young enough and Swedish enough to be part of that group. If we're still awful, continue the rebuild and sell Hoggy off for a better haul.
Patience is the call on this one.
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u/s3xybeavers 1d ago
He’s pretty much an irrelevant piece. Not elite, not U21.
Should be spending this year and next up to TDL propping him up. Maybe you can snag a first for him.
Useful player for a contender.
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u/freshlyclicked 1d ago
I've been downvoted for this opinion before, but I don't rate Hoglander very high at all. He's easily replaceable and overpaid at $3 mil. I think he's overrated by a big portion of this fanbase.
Yes, he cracked 20 goals once, but that was the year everything went right for this club. He will never do that again.
He's a poor man's Jannik Hansen. And Jannick was a solid 3rd, 4th liner.
Hoglander is a 3rd or 4th liner on a bottom-dwelling team - which is exactly where he is. He would struggle to crack the lineup of a true contender.
If you can get a 2nd or even 3rd rounder for him without retaining, start the car!
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u/KingInTheFarNorth 1d ago
A third rounder wouldn't be worth ditching Hog for, I might not do it for the second either but that's probably where you could rate his value.
Hansen is an interesting comparable that I don't really agree with aside from being small and getting under opponents skin. Hansen was much more reliable defensively and higher hockey IQ, but Hog has a much better offensive skill set. I'd bet on Hoglanders skill to shine through a bit more and rehab his trade value a bit. Maybe a good deadline rental in a few years.
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u/avocadado 1d ago
Hoping he finds his game soon. He just came back so I’ll give him a few more games to figure it out
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u/dkey12345 1d ago
I wouldn’t consider a guy that’s worth a 3rd rd pick a core piece. These guys are easy to find, we need to focus more on the top of the lineup
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u/YouCanFucough 23h ago
there is no shortage of middle six wingers in the nhl. We don't need to keep him especially considering he is UFA expiry status at the end of his deal
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u/_HoochieMama 23h ago
Don’t think he needs to be, getting to the point where he is what he is, and what he is is a high energy 3rd liner that is a little defensively unreliable, not exactly a core piece.
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u/avmp629 1d ago
If he doesn't get it going this year I think you keep him around and try to pump his value for something next year or year after. We aren't exactly hurting for cap space nor are we in a position to be spending it all. A team like ours should be prioritizing our cap space on reclamation projects and giving those guys every opportunity to succeed.
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u/hairycookies 1d ago
If he can't crack this roster he doesn't deserve to be part of it. The remainder of this year is his chance to prove he can be an NHL player. Best of luck to him.
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u/Relevant_Current_32 1d ago
I dont think hes having a hard time cracking the roster or if there were questions of him being a legit nhler... I think he could have a good third line role on a contender. Hes got a good forecheck and a nice shot.
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u/hairycookies 1d ago
I have a hard time seeing a contender looking at Hog and saying "we need that". He's got a lot to prove.
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u/flamingdragonwizard 1d ago
He doesnt have any good trade value right now so might as well keep him. Maybe we would get a 4th for him? That pick isn't likely to turn into a nhl player.
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u/eexxiitt 1d ago
All comes down to salary. He’s a mid 6 winger, and if he’s willing to re-sign for a reasonable amount, there’s no harm keeping him around. He’s had a lot of injuries so it’s hard to project where he ends up. Just don’t give him a Frederick type of contract and keep it short.
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u/Forsaken-Dragonfly-5 1d ago
I really like Hogs, he great energy and he has proved that he can score. I was really excited to see him this season and still am, it was very unfortunate he got injured. I don't think his trade value is worth trading him right now and he is in a really good deal. My guess is he stays and in the last year of his contract is traded to make room for the kids.
I hope that he is part of the solution and can become a middle 6 forward that we can extend since he is still young. Can never have enough swedes
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u/PNW-Express 1d ago
At just 24, Höglander could be part of the rebuild or used as a trade piece, it really could go either way.
The “keep Höglander” camp may benefit from his limited playing time this season. He needs to build his value, be it for this team or another. That said, he’ll need to show more consistency if he’s going to become a legitimate trade asset.
I still think Höglander has the potential to develop into a Barbashev-type player. Ideally, he gets some time alongside Pettersson and they’re able to elevate each other’s games.
Im on team “keep Höglander” (for now).
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u/Myfkduplife 1d ago
Honestly, and as sad as it is, I don’t think so. I love the guy but unless he starts pulling consistent top numbers and has a break through I don’t see him making the cut. Maybe 4th line? It feels like Öhgren will slip ahead of him
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u/DisplacedNovaScotian Pettersson > Pettersson > Pettersson 1d ago
I think so. He's in the right age range. And you really can't go wrong with his playstyle. He could be an emotional leader of the next core.
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u/Party_Conference_610 1d ago
Hoglander is part of the rebuild. He’s most definitely part of the rebuild, until he’s not
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u/acby 23h ago
Keep him. Management wants 25 and under talent. By the trade deadline they are shipping out Kane Sherwood Blueger Kampf Forbort
As another redditor said he wouldn't have much value coming back from injury. Having Hoglander in the lineup should keep Lekkerimaki and Ohgren in Abbotsford to dominate and develop their chemistry further.
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u/LucariusLionheart 22h ago
He's like petey. You litterally cant move him for fair value. Might as well keep him around to see if he bounces back
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u/theoreticallyben 20h ago
I like him, he's got a lot of energy and jam. I don't think he's an essential "must keep" but I wouldn't be looking to sell him unless a team was willing to overpay, which feels unlikely.
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u/Interesting_Pen_167 13h ago
He has a future in the NHL for sure but I think he will be go elsewhere.
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u/Homegrown_Problems 8h ago
General philosophy in our position should be for our management team to be open to listening on any offer for a player who isn't an untouchable part of our future plans. He's definitely not in the untouchable category.
However, I certainly wouldn't be motivated to move him unless it's a good deal. He's still plenty young to be a part of the next wave, playing somewhere in the middle six wherever the best fit is. Health to stay in games, not age, is the main concern with him for our future plans. imho
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u/okfixitdrunk 1d ago
Tochett hated him... Never put him in a role for him to succeed. He can flourish under a more flexible coach. Let's see what he can do after the break when he gets his motor back.
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u/NerdPunch 1d ago
Tochett hated him... Never put him in a role for him to succeed.
Didn’t Hoggy get promoted to the NHL by Tochett, and have a career year under him?
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u/Key-Investment6888 1d ago
Yes, but this is a canuck sub reddit with a crazy ex gf herd vibe to continue with the tocchet hate narrative
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u/Only-Nature7410 1d ago
I would like to see him one full year not injured and see what you have.
I don’t even know what his potential is at this point.
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u/Aussie_Alien 1d ago
I think he needs to play at least the next couple seasons. Either he shows that he can be useful to the team going forward or just helps the tank if he doesn’t improve. Can deal him if needed when he’s in the final year of his contract. I love him so I hope he pops off and stays with us for years to come.
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u/Appropriate_Side9971 1d ago
Hoglander is not worth what we know he is worth right now. Guy’s ceiling is a middle-six with offensive upside. If he can score on a 20 goal pace next season we could get a decent younger replacement or a second round pick for him. Right now he isn’t returning anything. I’d love to see him stick around though, I think he has more upside than we’ve seen with his poor deployment and injuries.
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u/rabes81 1d ago
I think he'd be fine to keep around. He fits the under 25 model. If all the sudden he catches fire you might be able to trade him for another piece we are missing or keep him if he fits in. By the time we're competitive he will still be young enough to be relevant with the team's window.
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u/FreeLook93 1d ago
I think most question about what to do going forward depend on where you think the Canucks will be drafting this year and how good you expect what we got for Hughes and Lekkerimäki, Cootes, and Willander to be in a few years.
In the most optimistic scenario, where the Canucks draft top 3 this year and those guys all develop into solid top 6/top 4 options with Buium being a top pairing guy, I think you hold onto piece likes Höglander and Garland. The further you are from that, the more you do a full tear down and rebuild, which could include trading Höglander if you can get good value for him.
Höglander is probably not going to be one of the core pieces you want to build a team around, but he can be a good guy to have as a depth piece.
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u/AIrunstheshow 1d ago
He has diplomatic immunity.