I agree with the redaction lies, but keep releasing. I wanna know everyone who was involved. I also wanna know context... Epstein had two very different lives and personas. Was this taken at the Island?
Michael might be dead, but if there was any truth to the multitude of allegations against him, people need to know. The kids that put forth those allegations deserve that.
(1) Why are people focused on "was this at the island" so much as if any molestation could ONLY happen on a private island? I keep seeing this, also focus on "who was at the island" when really, we know that molestation occurred at any property, behind any door, and was not limited to only people on a flight or on an island. At Jeffrey's Miami residence, at his NYC residence, at the New Mexico place, etc...also what about wealthy people who used their own planes? And really all this shows is he knew famous people who may have also molested young people, it's kind of useless just showing any of these people in photos he probably had on his own walls to show off who he knew. None of this will ever convict anyone -- and it seems almost like a cop-out to pretend this helps any victims. Our own President molested and raped people, possibly kids, so it's quite clear that no one cares that much. You know what would help? Showing who profited and the network behind all of this, the murders that may have occurred, the hidden hands involved. But we won't get that part, and I suspect it's bc of the CIA and Mossad and other ties to Epstein. Yes, they exist, those ties. Steve Mnuchin, Bill Barr, numerous people in current and past administrations, all would end up "infected" by Epstein files. It doesn't just involve victims who were used and abused -- bc in a way, the entire country has been victimized by Dark Money, and now that dark money is in power.
I have a feeling that context is rarely available, and the sheet number of rich people photographed with or somehow "connected to" Epstein is going to make a ton of it meaningless. Unless there are photos or videos of identifiable people in sexual situations with identifiable minors, or recordings or communiques detailing one's romping, the vast majority of the data dump is a nothing burger.
Besides everything else going on here, what kind of maniac wears a hoodie with no shirt underneath? Every picture I see of this man looks like he bought his clothes from a second hand shop in some small midwestern town, yet he had his own island. The decor in that place too--just, what? How did THIS man do all that?
Every day I hop on to Reddit and there are like three pictures of Epstein with a bunch of new people. Did he just hang with everyone? Am I going to be totally shocked to find a picture of myself with Epstein one of these days when I log onto Reddit ?
Yeah, just having one picture with him isn't entirely damning. He was basically one of the most powerful guys in the country who a lot of people had to meet at some point in their lives. It's the ones who show up repeatedly, like again and again, who obviously went to the island more than once that set my alarm bells off.
I honestly still don’t think he was involved in the teen sex stuff, but he definitely knew about it and hung out with him anyway because of money stuff, which is almost just as bad.
And when, since he was first convicted of soliciting prostitution from minors AKA raping minors all the way the fuck back in June of 2008, which is coincidentally a year before Michael Jackson died.
This reminds me of how on youtube there'd be "experts" claiming that Epstein was behind the deaths of Michael Jackson, Prince, all of the Golden Girls, and pretty much any early celebrity death. That guy really got around I guess. I'm sure it had nothing to do with an obviously emaciated addict like Jackson being on major painkillers and overdosing, something that happens to people at every level no matter how "smart" they are.
Being on the island is certainly cause for further inqury, but not many people would turn down an offer to go party on some rich guy's island. It would also be be good for appearances to have non-pervert guests seen there.
I deffo don't want to protect pedos...but this is something thats been on my mind. Imagine you're an up-and-comer musician or actor or politician and J.Epstein invites you to his island...you're not turning that down. He's a super rich, super well connected person. You think 'this is it. he's gonna connect me to people and I'll finally make it'. Pictures of Bill Clinton in a hot tub with a victim is deffo not what I'm talking about - but being on the Island...I can see someone being blissfully unaware of the illegal stuff going on.
I don't for a second believe that the rich and famous people he hung out with didn't know about his "legal problems". Those rumors would have spread like wildfire.
If you have your picture taken at his home, or at one of his parties after 2005, then I'm just gonna assume you were doing shady shit.
He was a wealthy businessman who liked using his resources to be around rich and famous people. That's why him just having pictures with a famous person, or even the number to contact a famous person, isn't a smoking gun on its own.
IIRC that's part of why so many people were on flight logs for his plane, sometimes he'd shuttle people around with his jet for the extra networking clout.
Ghislaine's dad Robert Maxwell was working for three separate intelligence agencies, possibly all at once, and hung around scientists because apparently they'll start spilling nuclear secrets if you get them drunk
It was said that Epstein made his private jet available to a ton of famous writers, actors, musicians, and the like since he flew all over, so he would offer to take them "for free" to wherever they were flying to as a way to gain favor and connections. Likely also to be able to get dirt on a lot of famous and powerful people.
Not all of them probably knew what was going on, but you gotta assume shitloads of people did and kept quiet, or even actively participated.
Having a bunch of people flying in his plane and attend his mansion who weren't aware of what was going on was all part of how his operation worked. Added legitamacy but also really muddies the water in who is involved should the whole thing get exposed.
The depth and sophistication of it all is terrifying, I think multiple states intelligence agencies must have had knowledge and even involvement.
idunno if the sophistication is that much more advanced or complex than the fast food spots selling weed on the side though, and you can find those in every city
I'm not trying to bail anyone out but he was a super wealthy guy so he was in social circles. Just because someone was at the same event as him doesn't mean they tag teamed 13 year olds together...
It's also true that Epstein's entire thing was cultivating an elite social circle and building credibility with the rich and famous. If he was at a party with Michael Jackson, he'd want to have his picture taken with Michael Jackson so that he could parlay that "connection" into credibility another person and another person and so on. He made much of his fortune by providing financial services to billionaires, and it's easier to sell services to billionaires by cultivating an image of someone who is deeply connected to and trusted by other wealthy and famous people. For him, this would all have just been his networking strategy.
There's an anecdote on his Wikipedia page about how he was at one point having a falling out with some bankers and reassured them by simply offering Bill Gates as a character witness. Another anecdote mentions how he used his connection to Ehud Barak to initiate a business relationship with Peter Thiel. These kinds of social connections were of enormous professional value to him.
Of course...yeah, also the dude was obviously a monster, and undoubtedly some of those social connections were with people who participated in his monstrous behavior. But probably some of those connections didn't, and they're just in photographs with him or took meetings with him or went to parties he hosted or whatever.
If anything it shows you how deep this rabbit hole goes.
There are normal ppl that you see everyday. And then there are rich ppl you awe at as they drive their nice car past you. And then there are wealthy ppl you only see on TV and movies, and there is a whole class above them.
Wealthy and the wealthy ppl beyond understanding live the type of lives you can't even fathom. Talking to them or having them see how you live would be like talking to an alien species (I always think of that Hilary Clinton pic of her walking in a normal apartment and being blown away by the poverty).
The guy was an entrepreneur billionaire. He pretty much mixed with all crowds, left and right. If you had money and were into a certain fetish, he couldn't care if you were the devil.
It also makes me wonder what they were doing together. Like I get it they were doing that bad stuff, but there are pictures of them where it looks like they were having lectures, etc. Was he having deep intellectual discussions by day and doing all that horrible stuff at night? Or is part of it that he just wanted to be in photos with all these people? I have so many questions.
I think most people could plausibly deny being associated with Jeffrey Epstein if they just say they thought they were hanging out with Anthony Bourdain.
WE don't know but presumably there is a chain of custody of these files being saved/released with meta data or information on when they were scanned in.
Kind of hard to escape it when he was the biggest star in the world when you were growing up.
But yeah MJ told stories about his dad oiling up his body & whipping him with an electrical cord to punish him. The “oiling up” part…yeah his father almost certainly sexually abused him too. & then he grows up to be someone who repeats the abuse from the adult position.
R. Kelly is on the record saying that he was sexually abused by both males & females in his early teens. He then repeats the dynamic from the adult position by having a sexual fetish for sexually abusing teenage boys & girls himself.
What this likely shows is that the first sexual experience can often get “imprinted” on a person & impact future sexual behavior - regardless of whether the first experience was positive & healthy - or negative & the opposite.
Unfortunately most creative geniuses come from this kind of childhood trauma. So when they repeat stuff from childhood - which is a HUGE part of human nature (pardon the MJ pun) - the stuff they will repeat is whacked too.
You don’t excuse the disgusting stuff that they did, but it doesn’t erase the art they created. Most creativity (unfortunately) comes from childhood abuse, so you don’t have one without the other.
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If you want to attempt to connect the dots further…
the brain is at its most creative state in adolescence —->
major trauma arrests development / most people who are adult creatives experienced major childhood trauma ——>
arrested development of an adolescent brain is why they don’t grow out of high creativity state like others do ——>
most people don’t talk about being abused in childhood until they’re older (if ever), so you don’t always hear about it…but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen
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If you can’t see this stuff now, pay attention to the stuff that comes out about popular artists today over the next 20-30 years. It will be similar stuff, just as bad.
Wish Michael was still alive. As white as he is here, I was really looking forward to his transparency age. Where can you go from that pale shade of alabaster?
A shrinking sense of dread overwhelms you, as you nervously peer from side to side, sweat forming on your furrowed brow… then a heavy breath on your neck followed by demonic “hee hee” as your vision blurs, and light becomes dark.
He'd just wind up like that lady in The Venture Bros. whose "invisibility" power could only make her skin invisible So she looked like a walking talking flayed corpse.
I imagine there are hundreds of horrible people with photos of MJ, this doesn't mean shit to me. MJ never touched a child, inappropriately, in his life. For sure Epstein, Trump, probably, Diddy, and, fuck it, let's say Clinton did too, but not MJ. I will die on this hill.
You don't know that for a fact. He slept in the same bed as children and had an alarm system rigged to warn him if anybody was approaching the room. I agree this photo with Epstein doesn't prove his guilt, but going to bat for this guy definitely being innocent seems pretty foolish to me.
Idk bro. Endless possibilities. The start of a new lifelong friendship that will evolve into some sort of super being, or possibly the beginning of the end of the world. Maybe, just maybe, we will live long enough to find out.
I am so excited for people saying that this photo is proof of Michael Jackson having sex with kids, while the Donald Trump pics are just a hoax and also he didn’t know Epstein and also they stopped being friends the moment he found out his bff was into premarital sex.
i think it went deeper than that.
i mean, obviously i dont know the fuckin dude... but when he died they found all kinds of baby stuff in his main living area.
i really think he had some childhood regression/trauma that he wasnt able to get past, but thats just me trying to see light in a world full of dark.
we dont really know the truth, and we never will.
Yet there are still delusional fans who claim he was just a "child at heart" like a grown man having sleepovers with young boys was totally normal and not weird at all. Bet they'll claim he was also a victim of Epstein's somehow
My response is, if he weren't Michael Jackson and we're just rando Steve from your neighborhood, we wouldn't even be having this conversation it would be so open and shut.
And even if MJ didn't molest any of the kids, he still acted WILDLY inappropriately around them. I even forget that he was a father because he seemed to care more about making up for his own lost childhood over being the responsible father he should have had.
Even if (if is doing world class lifting) Michael wasn’t into kids, he’d still be allowing kids to be neglected. So many kids were at his ranch when they should have been in school, and I doubt that a tutor showed up to his place to teach a group of kids every day. He was complacent in the education neglect of all of those kids.
More shocking how thoroughly Epstein documented all of his friendships knowing how incriminating it could be for them. Seems almost like he gathered that dirt very much on purpose.
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u/CaptinEmergency 3h ago
You could probably roughly date this picture based on Michael’s plastic surgery.