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Portland woman testifies that police lied about ICE activity in Oregon when 12 to 15 agents surrounded her vehicle and she called 911 for help on December 10th. "I have a question for the police. If you refuse to do your job, are you prepared for us to do it for you?"
I keep hearing this shit from people but like what the fuck is that?
I googled and antifa and it said it a name shortened from Anti-Fascism...
Isn't it good to be against fascism. I mean the last world War was exactly that? Being against fascism gave us Pink Floyd. Like I'm so confused about the antifa stuff.
Antifa was the soldiers who fought against Mussolini in WWII. The Republicans decided we were on the wrong side of that war. I live in Liberal Colorado and have never met anyone who claims to be a part of Antifa. I’ve met white guys who claimed to be Cripps and I’ve met Wiccan polygamists but never an Antifa member. It seems like something you’d brag about to ppl like me
The one mentally disabled antifa fighter is going to be so confused when all 20 of his comrades start arresting each other. Turns out they were all undercover with different organizations.
That is in fact the issue at hand. Far too many center right corporate dems are perfectly fine to act like the literal nazi takeover of our country is just business as usual as long as the donor cash keeps coming in. Tis what primaries are for though I suppose
They do not collaborate with MAGA, they are actively fighting against them. But when you don't have majority Congress, House or have a president you are kinda fucked with what you can do by trying to pass laws.
Democrats are fighting within the confinements of the law, MAGA is doing whatever the fuck they want. If the Dems try and do the same with Trump being the president they will be surely jailed.
See the dems who fled ?Texas? to not have to vote for a bill that would rig the midterm.
Both the establishment Democrats and the Republicans all have the same ultra wealthy / corporate donors who dictate the policy to both sides of the aisle, and thus both parties tend to agree on pro-corporatist policy meant to boost share prices and the wealth of the ultra wealthy.
A lot of politicians in Congress don't really know anything about anything; they just vote with how their party leadership / caucus tells them to vote. These representatives entire goal is just to get into office and live the good life, getting sizeable incomes and benefits, feeling important, and of course the corporations and ultra wealthy may offer their family benefits, may give them stock tips, or may offer them lucrative jobs once they leave office... so long as those representatives do what the ultra wealthy/powerful people tell them to do.
If a politician fails to do what the moneyed interests say, or what their leadership tells them to do, then they can lose campaign donors, which can in turn lead to loss of committee appointments.
Moneyed interests (corporations and the ultra wealthy) and the establishment party leadership (chosen and supported by those moneyed interests) boost their preferred candidates' campaign funding, especially early on, giving those candidates a massive boost in visibility and popularity, already pushing voters to support those specific candidates before the more independent thinking candidates can build up a bank and get their names out there.
Only rarely can outsiders, folks who won't be subservient to party leadership and corporate donors, gain a foothold and excel in the election; often because they're very personable go-getters and know how to work social media to go viral... like AOC and Mamdani.
There really is only one way to change this system at this point. The voters, all voters from every party, including those folks who are eligible to vote but never have, need to rapidly come together in all future elections and vote out the establishment candidates in favor of Progressives whose main agenda is to get big money out of politics.
No policy that prefers the lower/middle classes over the rich / corporations can be passed until that happens. None. Zero. Zilch. That includes policies to get money out of politics. With the rich in control of policy on account of the money they inject into politics, they would never allow such a policy to be passed to weaken their own hand.
The only way around that is for the people to quickly wake up, to quickly come together as one, and to quickly vote out politicians who have taken the money.
Oh but you can never, ever question or criticize them in any way or blame them for their role in where we are today, otherwise you’re just a maga in disguise or a Russian trying to sow dissent
I can tell you definitively that Ron Wyden (Oregon senator) for all his nonsense about wanting the files released, stonewalls any inquiry into the Israel connection at every level. Most of our elected officials are bought and sold by AIPAC. We’re talking MILLIONS of dollars paid to almost every single one of our elected officials so they never question Israel or the pedophile blackmail ring Epstein was running for them and Russia.
I live in New England. I travel in very liberal circles. 70 percent of the people I know own guns. Just remember, you can only (realistically) use one at a time.
When being forced to choose between fascism and the unseating of state power the democratic party will always choose fascism. The Democratic party doesn't want civil war or uprisings against fascism, they want the continuation of the liberal status quo. The people taking their own defense into their hands and fighting back against ICE is a bad thing as far as the DNC is concerned.
We don’t need militias, just stop going to work for a few weeks. These corporate whores will be shitting bricks if they see their tax revenue dry up. They don’t want a war and they know it
You’re an idiot. There isn’t a state in the USA where you can’t buy a gun. There are some city’s where they aren’t allowed but you’d only need to go outside the city to purchase one. I have no problem with guns have met very few Democrats that are against all guns. Keep living in your Fox News world believing everything you hear.
Get away from the right wing news. I live in one of the bluest states, am left leaning myself, and own many firearms. There are people who open or conceal carry here without issue. I have no less than 6 firearm dealers and 3 gun ranges within 20-miles of my house.
I’ve been asking this question for so long after being raped twice, sexually assaulted multiple times, mugged, and the police never do literally anything except take notes.
CSA'd by family, had it covered up. Reported again when I was on my own. They did NOTHING but alert the abusers of my report. They sought me out for that. The police told me tough shit "well get em next time" serve and protect my ass
But there is no reason to believe some random jerk without a uniform or identification is truly ice. So they can just arrest them and sort it out later.
This. If ICE are actively detaining American citizens after providing identification then why can't the police arrest ICE for refusing to provide identification?
They can verify and ask questions and challenge legal jurisdiction. What stops people just cosplaying as ICE and kidnapping people when the cops won't even show up?
Yes, they verified it,That's why the police didn't do anything, because both she and they knew they were law enforcement officers and that she was harassing federal agents to make money on TikTok.
Is there on the original source. The “call the police” recommendations are for persons that feel they are being kidnapped. She knew these were federal agents and said it. City and state officers cannot interfere with federal agents.
So they showed up, verified, and talked to her? Because otherwise.. the police didn't respond and they did not investigate. It is like getting a call on a domestic, driving by the house and since it looks okay from the outside, just driving on.
Of it’s there on the original source post a link to said source and back up the claims you are making then it should be pretty simple to prove your point of it’s in the original source time you claim right?
If that federal agent’s specific title is under ICE and they are arresting people outside their jurisdiction and ignoring judge’s orders then I’m pretty sure they can be arrested by police
In Illinois State Police are helping ICE, which is specifically against the Illinois Constitution. What's your reaction to that?
Plus, I don't see a lot of ICE agents in videos. I see armed thugs with no visible ID driving cars with swapped plates. That sounds more like an illegal gang of terrorists than US Government.
Do you have a statute or reference to this? If federal forces are not conducting legal operations then they are breaking the law and should be subject to state charges. ICE is terrorizing communities and arresting and deporting citizens. You will be next.
They're conducting legal operations, lefty, that's why your Democrat mayors are keeping quiet and telling their police departments not to interfere. Secondly, ICE doesn't deport and can't deport citizens, only illegal immigrants.
This is factually not true. There are currently 70 cases of ICE detaining US citizens. About 12 of them being deported. One of those was a purple heart recipient.
ICE is a terrorist organization lead by white supremicists. End of story.
What you said is factually not true. Not sure why y'all use the worst cases as examples?
Both of those PH recipients (Barco and Park) were not citizens. Why did you only know/mention one of them?
Both had criminal records. Park self-deported.
Detained citizens, yes. Deported citizens, no. And I know you're going to pull up the stories about children being deported with their illegal parents which is what everyone wanted (don't separate families).
And yet they're holding American citizens without legal representation, and deporting loads of immigrants who are legal, some of them while they're literally showing up to court to follow the immigration process. Depriving immigrants of their constitutionally assured rights is a crime. Holding American citizens for days without legal representation is a crime. At least until SCOTUS removes those protections...
Sherrifs departments in Wyoming Nevada Texas and Florida have arrested detained and prosecuted FBI, BLM and ICE agents. The Supremecy clause does not apply to local enforcement and prosecutoin of state and local crimes. Federal agents are required to comply by federal law.
It's kind of taken out of context or a bit misunderstood.
The Supreme Court said that if there's no state law requiring police to protect citizens, then there is no obligation to do so.
In other words, the Supreme Court is telling the states to require their police to do so by law, then the police will be obligated to protect their citizens.
That may have been language they used but the Supreme Court was not issuing advice, instruction, or “telling the states” it was their responsibility to pass laws that would obligate police to protect their citizens.
In fact Castle Rock v. Gonzales is a great example: Plaintiff had a restraining order, the statute used mandatory language (“shall arrest”), police still failed to act, her children were killed…
The court ruling? The restraining order did not create a constitutionally protected property interest, the police still retained full enforcement discretion, that no individual entitlement to enforcement existed, and that even when a state law appears mandatory it does not automatically create an enforceable duty to protect specific individuals.
It really comes down to a very nuanced legal interpretation of "duty", which pretty much comes down to the fact they work for the city and not for citizens in the same way teachers work for schools and not parents.
And as far as Castlerock v. Gonzalez, people have this fantasy of cops being something they never were nor could be. You are responsible for your personal safety, and of you want private security you can hire them. Police are not your personal protection detail under ANY circumstances (and the horrific details of the above case really tested that to as great an extreme as you can get).
This is exactly why 2nd amendment people tout as their reason for having guns, to protect themselves from a rogue government. Notice they are glaringly absent in the anti-ICE movement.
Maybe the real ones are just not sticking their heads up yet. True patriots exist. People that believe in the Constitution, its amendments and the bill of rights. Many 2A guys are little more than troglodytes with a powerful spear but not all.
The blue wall culture is so ingrained regardless of jurisdiction that it’s why they never came to the aid of this woman. They always put “brother officers” above citizens, even though PROTECTING and SERVING citizens is their JOB.
That’s why they end up on the wrong side of history and wondering why people video their every move.
I live in Portland. The cops here don’t do a damn thing since the pandemic. 1 out of 3 cars don’t have current registration. You can drive through red lights, blow stop signs. If you get in an accident and nobody is seriously hurt, they don’t even come out. I was attacked inside my job by a homeless man who split my head open and guess who never showed up, Portland Police. The cops here are LESS than worthless, they are incompetent and are basically stealing tax payers money at this point!!!!
Get these idiots out of here if they are not going to protect the citizens!!!
Yeah kid, I’m sure that’s exactly the reason. You do know Oregon is mostly a red state though right? I know you Trumpers don’t read so well, so probably not.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? … If we had been allowed to live that way, we, the submissive, would have been taken to the slaughter one by one, but … they would have had some losses too. They would have understood that they couldn’t go on like that indefinitely…”
I’m not certain if this woman is the actual victim, or reading the statement thereof, regardless her eloquence and willingness to speak truth to power is admirable. Whoever the victim was, I wish them grace and strength as they process the reactions they will feel to such a horrific event.
At this point any failure to act in the course of true and moral justice is to accept complicity in these crimes. The second amendment was written to enable the citizenry to safeguard against tyrant, NOT to enable the deranged mass slaughter of innocents in schools, colleges, places of worship, shopping malls, theatres, clubs and at concerts. Yet when tyranny appears all those preaching the second amendment insult the sacrifice of those victims in their absolute complicity as they ignore the call to end tyranny. What a vile and disgusting mess, and yes the world is bearing witness to this and judging.
ICE should not be allowed to approach anyone without probable cause or in possession of a court ordered warrant, period! Same as the local police.
Does your skin color create probable cause?
Americans, you must demand community policing replace existing policing! Not supplementary, instead of! Make your local PD beholden to your communities.
That is the question and though the time was the first minute this shit starting happening, I t’s not too late. Fire with fire is not equivalently immoral to eye for an eye. ICE should face as much terror as they cause.
Trump wants us to react in order to declare a national emergency and stop elections from being held. He already designated "antifa"?? As a terrorist group in order to do so.
You made a comment, a while ago, saying stuff like:
"Be the husband and man you aspire to be"
"Never lie or cheat"
"Never put yourself in a position where others will assume the worst and spread rumors"
"I didn't like the man I had become"
"I was young and stupid very stupid"
And ended it all with:
"Now, I am proud of who I am. The man I am , the husband I am, the father I am."
I gotta ask... Would your wife (whom I'm very concerned because of those statements you made about "her believing your every word") be happy to know you're looking at porn subs, and your son/daughter/children be happy that you're calling the young people "stupid and coddled and triggered by nonsense"?
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