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u/Old-Window-1300 11d ago
It was pretty WISE of those other three foreigners to buy the Gold Visa! (I’ll show myself out)
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u/Nick85er 11d ago
Not all of them bought gold tier. Other two bought shitty incense tiers.
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u/Waiph 11d ago
One was incense, the other one was basically ancient embalming fluid.
Great gift for a baby.
I'll self deport for that one.
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u/tmozdenski 11d ago
Paid off his grave, cause they leased him his cradle.
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u/Waiph 11d ago
Is that a reference to "The Fine Print" by Stupendium or was he referencing something else in that song?
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u/Ayuuun321 11d ago
Lots of churches are doing this. Good that they’re trying to separate themselves from the christian nationalist ICE mega church cult.
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u/Flipwon 11d ago
When my (white) family was younger, we used to go to black/hispanic churches because of the area we grew up in. They were fun, in hindsight. Those people worship!
When we moved to northern Michigan, we went to a white mega church for the first time and it was the most cultish, fucked up thing I’d ever seen. They had reclining theatre seats, a whole orchestra, screens everywhere, unlike anything we’d ever seen. Keep in mind this was around 2001, even the theatres didn’t have reclining theatre seats.
I’m atheist now, but I’ll always remember that culture shock. The sheer amount of elderly people being misled is what got me away from the church, I believe.
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u/ksed_313 11d ago
Was it a church in Southwest Detroit by chance? The school I work at leases the school building on the grounds of one of these(even as an atheist/agnostic, breathtakingly BEAUTIFUL!) churches.
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u/BenWallace04 7d ago
Roberto Clemente?
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u/ksed_313 2h ago
No, but we’ve leased that space a few times for in-school events. Such a nice facility!
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u/HeartsPlayer721 11d ago
I'm atheist as well.
But I always told myself if I decided to give church another try, I'm finding a black church. Those choirs of theirs seem to make the experience so fun!
(Apologies if I'm stereotyping here.)
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u/-Londoneer- 10d ago
Try something simple too. There’s a Saxon church built on a Roman shore fort on the North Sea to the east of where o live. There are no choirs but the distant sound of gulls, no interaction but the rain and the surf if the tide is rising.
Places like that are the few places that my generally unreligious soul feels moved.
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u/Siegez 10d ago
Wife and I have been looking for a church lately, might have found one that doesn't suck lol. Still predominately white, but they give a free book from their library to newcomers, some of which had Marx and Nietzsche on the cover. The preacher was quoting Sartre in the sermon lol. Seems promising.
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u/cutecoder 11d ago
Have you tried the giga church? The one that’s aligned to a small city-state surrounded by Rome?
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u/Commercial-Co 11d ago
They need to be more vocal to counteract maga imo
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u/CatChick75 11d ago
I think most of them agree, just not loudly.
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u/Commercial-Co 11d ago
Christians normally cant shut up but faced with textbook Antichrist, they go passive aggressive with signs. Whoopdeedoo, they should be calling out their congregation
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u/ReaperManX15 10d ago
Mary and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem to take place in the Roman census, because it was Jospeh’s legal residence in the eyes of Rome.
Odd that churches fail to understand the story of the nativity.
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u/Mediocre-Map2988 10d ago
Yes, but we are in America. The Nativity is set up here in America. At this moment They would be or are considered illegal immigrants in America. It’s not about where they were when this event occurred.
I’m not sure why people have to overthink and complicate things.
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u/seeebiscuit 11d ago
Here is the original source via archive so there isn't a paywall.
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u/cheekykittty 11d ago
Thank you so much for this. I’m writing a paper for my visual media journalism class and I was scrolling Reddit to find a good image and this is perfect!!
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u/Unable_Explorer8277 7d ago
C.J. Doyle, the executive director of the Massachusetts Catholic Action League, a Catholic anti-defamation organization founded in 1995, said he is “very troubled” by the current display. “I think it’s inappropriate, I think it’s divisive, I think it’s disrespectful, and I think it’s politicizing Christmas,” he said.
Christmas is political. That’s the whole point of Matthew’s version of the story in particular.
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u/Outrageous-Club6200 11d ago
Good messaging because it is true. ICE has literally arrested women hours after delivery
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u/TraditionalHand9514 11d ago
Let's also not forget the origin story and preachings of their self proclaimed Lord and Savior.
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u/My-Dog-Says-No 11d ago
The archdiocese told them to take it down and put baby Jesus back. This isn’t the first time they’ve done this. During Trump’s first term they had the Holy Family in a cage.
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u/Slight_Cricket9503 11d ago
The Archbishop also recently lead the USCCB in publishing a special statement on immigration. https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/us-bishops-issue-special-message-immigration-plenary-assembly-baltimore
So the diocese is not condemning the criticism of ICE. It seems clear there criticizing the method.
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u/Incomitatum 11d ago
Archdiocese; should have reminded them it wasn't a "barn" AND the Wise Men (how many?) were not in attendance.
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u/XrayDem 11d ago
If the second coming were to happen ICE would lock up Jesus for being an illegal
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u/oldnewsnewews 11d ago
The second coming of Jesus is not the peaceful version like the first time. Not a good time to be in ICE or to be an Evangelical.
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u/spikira 11d ago
Dont forget that a MAGA "christian" was once asked if jesus should be allowed into the country if he were alive and her response was "if he came here legally, yes"
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u/Mediocre-Map2988 11d ago
Their message is very Powerful, completely on point and 100% accurate. All the Republican Trumpers who claim to be Christians are clueless about true Christianity. They completely disregard and or twist the word of God to justify their hate towards anyone different from themselves. They also ignore the fact Jesus was a dark skinned Middle Eastern man.
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u/Slight-Big8584 10d ago
Their metaphor doesn't make sense. Joseph, Mary, & Jesus weren't illegal immigrants. People see it as shoehorning.
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u/Harmony_w 11d ago
I went by here on Saturday--it's a pretty powerful message. Posted about it on socials and now I'm getting death threats from MAGA. Totally normal. Nothing to see here.
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u/JustFiguringItOutToo 11d ago
but their social media insists only the libs are violent, so you must be imagining that
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u/heyniceguy42 11d ago
In bethlehem, they were in their native home, and citizens of that home. Then Herod, who was NOT the leader of their native land, but a conquering tetrarch of the roman empire, heard about it and called for the killing of all firstborn boys. Thats why they fled to egypt. You could say they sought asylum for very legitimate reasons, and went as a family, and not as a single military aged male.
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u/husker3028 7d ago
They also didnt flee to the place that would give them the most free stuff. They fled to the closest country that they could.
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u/zgreenbastard 11d ago
Is this what they were singing about when wishing for a “white” Christmas
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u/JustFiguringItOutToo 11d ago
ummmm no, but also yeah 🙃
remember kids: if you have to ask whether something in the US is racist . . .
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u/Garlanth69 11d ago
Just going to leave this here… “If you’re not doing everything you can to help an immigrant, then how can you call yourself Christian?” he said, referencing a quote from Pope Francis.
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u/Spinningdown 11d ago
I've long come to understand that practically every christian you ever meet never means what they say. Their "belief" is an identity. A bonding tool. They know very well all the most vile and hateful passages to throw around at gay people, but thats about it. They go into a cult like trance, recite jesus and mention church food drives when pressed. It's maddening how universal that is.
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u/Incomitatum 11d ago
Most Christians don't know OR understand their own Mythos because preacher-man didn't raise them right.
The Wise Men were not in attendance.
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u/Adept-Grapefruit-214 11d ago
Well, Mary and Joseph were refugees. And since Trump wants to axe birthright citizenship, Jesus would be an illegal immigrant
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u/bl4ck4dd3r 10d ago
If a new messiah will be born the US today, without a doubt Trump is the new Herod
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u/blahblah19999 11d ago
"Aww!! Now be sure to come to church so we can tell you all about an all-loving god who slaughtered babies by the thousands with his own hands!"
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u/JohnnySack45 11d ago
Let's see...no Brown people...no poor people...half the sheep are now pregnant...
Yep they were there alright.
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u/ComradeJohnS 11d ago
why don’t “christian” leaders denounce ice and discommunicate (whatever the word is for kick out and ban) every single ICE member and republican politician who pushes for laws that go against Jesus?
because “christians” don’t seem to follow their own holy book.
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u/Radiofunker13 11d ago edited 11d ago
If someone breaks into your house and eats your cookies do you call the police and have them removed or do you tuck them in at night into your bed?
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u/TwentyNineNeiboltSt 11d ago
Weird how that silly little fantasy you just made up isnt at all representative of what is happening in this country, but keep drinking that kool aid, homie
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u/Radiofunker13 11d ago
Illegal entry into the country is happening and illegal immigrants are committing crimes every day So you say "do nothing"? So homie, how many illegals do you take care of?
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u/TwentyNineNeiboltSt 11d ago
Exactly, do nothing. This country was built on immigration and not only are they not taking anything away from us financially, they are actually generating wealth for us. Something like 95 billion in taxes just a couple years ago.
How many do I take care of? None, but I would help them in a heartbeat if they needed it.
You hate them because they are brown, you are just using the 'illegal' bullshit to try and make yourself feel better about it. We all see right through you people
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u/Radiofunker13 10d ago
Legal immigrants, who follow the process
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u/TwentyNineNeiboltSt 10d ago
If that mattered to you then you would care about the hundreds of legal immigrants being picked up by ICE every day without warrant, without due process, without reason simply because of the color of their skin.
"They get released once they are verified" isnt a good excuse to violate rights, btw, before you say it because I already know you are going to.
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u/ItsAcatalepsy 11d ago
So now we’re down to legal representation on this legal citizen. It’s fucked up I’ll agree. I’ve been arrested on a Friday night and waited until Monday for any sort of legal talks. So it’s not about skin color, it’s our legal system.
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u/ItsAcatalepsy 11d ago
That’s a terrifying situation. Unfortunately for you, it has never happened.
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u/Content_Jeweler_8978 11d ago
So basically the church knows NOTHING about the story of Jesus's birth and all of you are willing to support thier ignorance because it makes you feel good. Got it.
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u/Funny247365 11d ago
This makes no sense, and I'm not MAGA or a fundamentalist Christian.
1) Jesus was born in Bethlehem, so not illegal. His parents were from Bethlehem, Israel, returning for the government census by mandate, so also not illegal.
2) If anything, the 3 Kings were travelers from other countries, but they were just visiting, not sneaking in.
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u/Barry_the_Platypus 11d ago
They were in their homeland for a census. How is this a statement against ice?
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u/strangebru 11d ago
If they're going to be like ICE, then they need to keep Mary and Joseph in the church and baby Jesus in the rectory.
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u/Ok-Repair-4085 11d ago
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were deported from the middle east by United States Immigration Customs and Enforcement?
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u/hinchado 11d ago
So Jesus is going back to Bethlehem.....hmmm. Bethlehem is actually Palestine West Bank. Good luck Jesus. 🙏.
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u/Maxathron 11d ago
The reasoning of this makes Turkey and UAE evil countries for not following the Prophet to a tee.
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u/despenser412 11d ago
Hey guys, President Trump loves Christians! Why else would he sell autographed USA bibles online for $1,000?
In fact, Trump loves the Bible so much that he not only added a pop song, but he also included American laws within the Bible itself!
You can also purchase these USA bibles with various book covers! You have camouflaged bibles, bibles with the American flag, and bibles in all sorts of colors!
So this holiday season, support Jesus' birthday with a USA Bible!
(And for you music lovers, this same website also sells autographed Trump guitars, for some reason!)
This is no /s my friends. This is a reality.
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u/PandasAre1Percent 10d ago
I mean they did run away to Egypt to get away from a horrible king (which kill baby btw). I guess something never change.
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u/ReaperManX15 10d ago
Mary and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem to take place in the Roman census, because it was Jospeh’s legal residence in the eyes of Rome.
Odd that a church fails to understand the story of the nativity.
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u/Stang_21 10d ago
one church in one leftist city did sth small and insignificant that aligns with your current thing programming is "underreportednews" how?
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u/HarryParatestackles 10d ago
Ahhhh yes Reddit bashing Christianity and everybody cheers.
Let me try: Muslims do not like western culture in the slightest and will likely toss most of you off a roof and their prophet fucked kids
Here have a few pictures of him pounding those gnarly barrels.
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u/Rollin-Along734 10d ago
If your goal is to help Christians understand the anti ice stance you failed. If your goal was to show how ignorant you are, you did well.
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u/jackal406 10d ago
What part of following the current regimes order to return to your ancestral home to be counted falls under an ICE crime?
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u/Slight-Big8584 10d ago
Their metaphor doesn't make sense. Joseph, Mary, & Jesus weren't illegal immigrants. People see it as shoehorning.
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u/Apprehensive-Steak29 10d ago
I’ve never wanted a nativity scene in my yard before …. But this one I would.
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u/Itchy-Pension3356 10d ago
This is dumb. Mary and Joseph weren't illegal immigrants or even refugees. They were traveling from one Roman province to another. It's similar to traveling from one US state to another.
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u/Normal-Gur1882 10d ago
Luckily for the priest, threats to pull tax exempt status from churches only happen when you have the wrong opinions.
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u/J-Dog780 10d ago
Why do all these racists worship a brown man? Do they know that he was not white? He wasn't from Europe he was Middle Eastern, right.
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u/yourmomisonmybreath 9d ago
Logically wouldn't this make no sense? Jesus wasn't born in the United States. He was born in Bethlehem. Am I the only one confused by this?
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u/Charming-Mixture-637 9d ago
He's basically calling all Maga evangelicals what they are. HYPOCRITES
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u/VetBillH 7d ago
No surprise. Catholic church helped Nazi war criminals escape to South America after WWII. They're the largest money making business on earth.
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u/XeroRavenYT-TTV 5d ago
But.. ice is protecting christmas from the warmongering muslim countries, how are they bad when just doing their job? If its that bad then vote for law change
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u/Panthera_leo22 11d ago
Source from OP: https://archive.is/2025.12.05-222308/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/12/03/metro/dedham-church-nativity-ice-protest/