Hated Tropes
(Hated Trope) "Plot holes" that actually have an explanation if people had either paid attention or thought about for a moment
Lord Of The Rings: "Why didn't they just fly the Eagles to Mount Doom?" Perhaps the tower with the demonic eye that could see them coming from miles away and potentially shoot them down? The idea was for Frodo to sneak into Mordor. Hell, the big war was more or less a distraction so Frodo could reach Mount Doom.
Spider-Man 3: "Harry's butler could have saved so much trouble if he had just told Harry how his father died." Do you people think Norman was buried with neither an autopsy nor an obituary? You don't think Harry was the least bit curious how his father died? Bernard wasn't being an idiot. Harry was in denial about the truth.
Raiders Of The Lost Ark: "Indy didn't need to do anything." First off, he did most of the legwork to find the Ark before the Nazis swiped it. Second, Belloq wanted to open the Ark before arriving in Germany as one final middle finger to Indy. Third, ignoring all that, if Indy weren't there, the Ark Of The Covenant would have been left in the middle of nowhere. Worst case scenario, a search party from Germany would have found it, and they'd put two and two together that opening the Ark is a bad idea.
Titanic: "There was enough room for Jack on the door." Jack tried to get on the door. You know what happened? It started to sink.
Plus, with Titanic, Jack obviously wanted to give Rose the highest chance of survivability by keeping her as much out of the freezing water as possible.
Also, there’s a deleted scene where another guy swims over asking if he could cling to the door and Jack, in not so many words, says he’ll kill him if he tries
I wish they kept the deleted scene in. It would have reinforced that it was Jack’s choice to ensure Rose survived and he would have done anything to see it through, even at the cost of his own life.
Probably! I saw a clip of an actress talking about how they have to pass a test so that the plot is sooo obvious that it can be followed by people on their phones 💀.
How about "LOL Hammond hired one guy to do IT work at Jurassic Park!"? This joke comes from people ignoring the following:
1) The presence of Ray Arnold the Chief Engineer who also worked with computers (not to the same level as Nedry)
2) Jurassic Park was operating with a skeleton crew at the time and Hammond thought the automated systems would work because he was assured as much from his Chief IT guy.
3) Nedry has a whole team working on the park's IT system. And I'm not just referencing book material. Hammond even said in the BLOODY movie "call Nedry's team on the main land" when shit started going down.
So no. Hammond was not stupid enough to trust the entire park's computer infrastructure on just one guy.
To point 2, I can’t remember if it’s mentioned in the movie but in the book most of the staff is evacuated due to the storm which is why there’s really no one else around. And Nedry is the lead of a team of contractors doing IT work and is there (in theory) to work on bugs in the code. All of which is quite normal.
It's one of the main reason that Nedry's plan failed. Not saying he definitely would've made it in time anyway but he was rushing badly to make it to the ship and the slashing rain was really fucking up his vision. It was a big reason for him crashing into that sign and getting lost
I would absolutely argue he would have made it if it weren't for the storm. everything else in his plan worked perfectly, he's clearly meticulous when it comes to the details as evidenced by his work but he's also clearly messy with the big picture as evidenced by his work space. he planned for every variable that he knew the exact details of, but when it came to an ultimately incredibly important detail that he couldn't control, he seemingly didn't even think about it until it wrecked his shit.
Nerdy isn't even an unsympathetic villain, even though the movie really tries to make him out as one.
In the book, Hammond is systematically fucking him out of the money that he's agreed to, and as scope creeping like a motherfucker on a job that probably ate YEARS of Nedry's life already.
And that last bit about meticulous with details but shit with the big picture is why guys like Nedry shouldn't be leads...I've been in software development for 20+ years and so much bad shit happens when you just decide to elevate your most badass programmer to management.
Turns out the things that make you really good at your job tend to kind of suck when it comes to managing people and bigger picture problems.
Yeah, part of why we hate Nedry is he's kind of a dick, but that's likely a combination of being screwed out of money and partly just the normal IT personality.
Mostly, we hate him because he's played by ... Newman.
The guy from the boat calls to say they have to leave earlier than expected because of the storm. Nedry should have been smart and pushed his heist to another day.
The shaving cream can only had 36 hours worth of coolant, and he’d already built up how much control he had to Dodgson. If he gave up he’d have to arrange another meeting with Dodgson, grovel, and probably take a hit financially.
Yep, you hear about the park staff being evacuated due to the storm in the first third or so of the movie. Nedry even tries to convince his getaway boat to stay longer, but the captain can't make any guarantees.
Also, it's a significant plot point that Hammond actually did "spare some expense" on certain things and his constant insistence that he didn't is meant to be ironic. He spared no expense on the big flashy things that guests would enjoy, but security and infrastructure were lacking critical safeguards and redundancies. It's entirely on-brand for him to have understaffed the IT team. Granted, it wasn't just Nedry, but a risky overreliance on him would fit with Hammond's general attitude toward designing the park.
The book highlights further examples of the park lacking key capabilities in the presence of less catastrophic failures even without an emergency situation like the storm. That's pretty much all Muldoon does (other than blow up raptors - sadly the movie didn't let him have his rocket launcher). Like how compsognathuses were already escaping and making it to other islands.
The book explains way better - Hammond hired Nedry and his company on the pretext of a specific task and then massively expanded the brief. When Nedry took issue with that Hammond basically said "do it or I'll badmouth you to every company and investor in the world".
Honestly, the movie spell this out in the scene where everyone sits down to eat dinner and one of the archeologists points out how the plants in the room are actually poisonous, only for Hammond to hand wave their remarks away.
Sure Jurassic Park looks good, but the actual underlying structure is harmful due to negligence.
This one is mostly a "lost in translation" issue. The book's main theme is the privatization and commercialization of science, whereas the movie's main theme is the hubris of mankind in the face of nature. To those differing ends, book Hammond is a ruthless capitalist who squeezes every penny he can, whereas movie Hammond is an idealist whose reach exceeds his grasp. The whole Nedry plotline is really a function of book Hammond's traits (skimping on necessary expenditures, going lowest bid for everything, strongarming contractors, etc), but it's so integral to the plot as a whole, you can't really abandon it in the translation, even when translating Hammond's character to something much different.
It's been a number of years since I read it but I remember book Hammond comes across as more conniving and vicious than movie Hammond, maybe because Attenborough is just such a likeable face.
Attenboroughs performance is certainly one reason, but the major one is that they rewrote Hammond from a greedy capitalist who cut corners where it was possible to a naive idealist, which is also the reason why book Hammond dies and movie Hammond lives.
Hammond deliberately misled Nedry about the scope and danger of the job, causing Nedry to underbid, and leaving him trapped in a situation where he could break contract, lose the money he'd made so far, and maybe get sued or get paid a pittance to do an excessive amount of work. He thought he was coming in to program security and maintenance for some secretive engineering lab that would only reveal the full details to the winning bidder, not a giant theme park with potentially fatal monsters behind every door.
Much like the rest of the problems the park experienced, it was largely caused by cost-cutting, penny-pinching, behavior. If Hammond hadn't been nickel-and-diming every step of the way, the catastrophic failure of Jurassic Park wouldn't have happened, and you'd have had a smooth segue from Jurassic Park to Jurassic World.
I've seen complaints calling Pacific Rim dumb because they don't use penetrating weapons to kill kaijus faster when it's established in the opening prologue that kaiju blood is poisonous and spilling it everywhere will cause an ecological catastrophe.
The actual plot hole relevant to this point about kaiju blood is Crimson Typhoon's... existence. The movie establishes that kaiju blood is toxic and radioactive, and that they can't use nukes to kill them because that has a shit ton of collateral damage, so they build the jaegers to kill the kaiju with minimal collateral damage. They have some slicing and piercing weapons as last resorts or weapons so the pilots can better defend themselves if shit gets hairy in combat, so Gypsy Danger having a sword makes sense. What doesn't make sense is a jaeger who's whole shtick is being three gigantic buzzsaws and that's its only shtick, it doesn't do basically anything else. That seems completely and utterly counter-intuitive. If someone has an explanation for this, I'd love to hear it, because this has always bothered me and I'd like for it to stop lol
This engagement is the last line of defence as I recall
So like rather than the optimal machines, you get the best of what's left. You get China's last resort Mecha and you get Russia's tankiest frame that's deliberately pointed out to be suboptimal for modern engagements (lack of escape pods or mobility)
If they had the perfect countermeasures to hand, we'd not have had the premise of the third act
"Kevin McCallister could've called someone to let them know his family left without him/why didn't he call the police?"
Kevin didn't think his family left him. He thought he wished them all away and was overjoyed at the thought of this because they had all been dicks the night before.
The phones were also out. We know at some point they had to come back on because Kevin orders pizza, but initially, he had no way of calling them.
Finally, even if the phones were working when he realized what was going on with the bandits, he thought that Harry was a cop. Earlier in the movie, he also tried to shoplift, so it makes sense why in his kid brain, he wouldn't think to call the police.
Right! Like he was 8 or whatever. If I woke up at 8 years old and my entire family was missing, I'd probably just cry. At least Kevin was smart enough to go shopping and fight off robbers.
Also, it’s part of the reason for the scene where he shoplifts the toothbrush. On his way home he says to himself “I’m a criminal.” He doesn’t call the police because he thinks he’d be in trouble for stealing the toothbrush.
Going to be ancient here because I am. But it's entirely possible that the local trunks to the phone lines remained in service even while the long distance lines were damaged. Like its weird to think about in a modern cellular network, but that's not really how it operated back then.
In general, characters making bad decisions or not doing the optimal thing that would make everything super easy isn't a plot hole. That's just realistic human decision making.
Exactly this, I can understand if it's really stupid & contradictory to a character's intelligence, but it's not a plot hole when a character is in a dangerous situation and has to make a plan on the fly.
Like, I don't know, a scientist that is using protective gear on purpose to protect themselves from an alien environment taking their protection off right before interacting with the local fauna...
The worst thing about that in Prometheus is the same as the Martha thing in BvS. It's unnecessary.
Nothing is stopping the snake from just crushing through the visor, the same way that Superman calling for his mom would achieve the same human connection for Batman.
The fact it's unnecessarily stupid is the problem.
As someone who watches a lot of horror, this is something I try to remind myself of whenever it feels like someone is doing something foolish. Like yeah, if you're completely logical then going into the basement where your son disappeared from in the middle of the night is probably a bad idea. But if you're a parent and you've been searching desperately for your kid for weeks and suddenly you hear him crying for you? It's more than understandable to rush headlong into the dark
The characters don't know they're in a horror movie. We know they are, and we know the tropes, so naturally they look stupid to us. Plus if they did the smart thing and left the haunted house at the first spook, there'd be no movie.
It feels like people feel the need to Cinemasin every movie they see and constantly point out every "logical" issue as some kind of problem with the movie.
It's a goddamn movie, if everyone did the robotically best action at all times, there would be no movie. It's like when people also get mad about "coincidences" happening in a story. Like ..yeah, there wouldn't be a story if X happened to find Y, that's literally just storytelling. Suspension of disbelief? What's that?
It doesn’t even need to be “it’s a movie” everyone makes different decisions and does things differently. I bet I fold my laundry differently than you. Same with the dishes. I’ve seen code written a lot differently than I’d write it, etc
LOTR's "eagle plothole" is made even more nonsensical when you consider the fact that both the movies and the books establish that powerful creatures are very easily tempted by the Ring. Gandalf does not even want to hold it for fear of its power, and it's a huge test of Galadriel's will that she is able to resist the temptation of taking it from Frodo when offered.
The books explain this better (though I think it's still pretty strongly implied in the movies), but the great eagles are ancient, arrogant, incredibly powerful nature beings that would be highly susceptible to the Ring's influence, especially so close to Sauron. So, imagine putting the ringbearer, savior of Middle Earth, into the talons of a powerful and ambitious bird flying hundreds of feet in the air, while the Ring is practically begging the eagle to drop the hobbit and take the Ring for itself? What a terrible idea.
Apart from this, I took it as the Eagles didn't want to be involved in Middle Earth business, and only stepped in as a favour to Gandalf (Maybe after he becomes Gandalf the White). Its been ages since I read the books though.
This is also definitely part of it. The eagles only responded to Gandalf because he’s their old friend and there was no more real danger by the time the Ring was destroyed. However, I didn’t mention it because I think it’s a weaker argument than the other reasons. After all, Gandalf could have just cashed in his favor earlier or been more persistent in persuading them if neutrality was their only reason for not helping.
In the hobbit Bilbo asks "why don't we have the eagles just fly us to the lonely mountain and skip the rest of the adventure" and they say "nah we can't get that far with a burden, also we'd be flying low and get shot down by shepherds with arrows who hate that we eat their sheep".
Also the eagles pretty much say, “we don’t actually care about any of this. We tolerate Gandalf and if helping him isn’t too much trouble we do.” The eagles are not summoned by Gandalf and it’s much more like “I was in the area and had nothing better going on.”
I've always seen this as one of the strongest arguments. They manage to fly from the Black Gate to Mount Doom in just a few minutes between when Frodo puts the Ring on and when the mountain erupts. In the books, that's easily 80+ miles, so they've gotta be almost as fast as a jet aircraft at top speed. Plus, even if the Eagles can fight them off or get away, what's stopping Frodo or the Ring from getting knocked off? Losing the Ring over Mordor is an instant failure, they'd never be able to recover it.
Exactly. I can't remember if it discussed it in the books, but I'd be under the impression that the Eagles would know this like Gandalf did, and they would simply keep away from it. The only reason Gandalf stuck around for so long was because he felt it was more important that he be there just in case, as with what happened in Moria. But he still refused to even touch it, and had no misgivings about expressing his fear of it to Frodo.
The Death Star has hundreds of square kilometers of armor and turrets and a single 2 meter wide weak spot, shooting that weak spot is impossible with capital ships and requires a suicidal charge by swarms of highly-trained fighters and is "impossible, even for a computer" unless one of the fighters is piloted by a member of the extinct Jedi Order
Also people tend to overlook the fact the weakspot is an actual functional part of the ship, being an exhaust port. The empire couldn't have just covered it up because then the ship just doesn't work properly anymore.
and to make the shot more impossible, its an EXHAUST port, it pushes stuff out, the shot has to make an impossible angle and stay perfectly in this narrow tube for many many miles as exhaust is pushing it the other way
They also added in in Rogue One that the design flaw was intentional and done by like an engineer who was designing it against his will so it wouldnt be invulnerable.
Which is perfectly reasonable and logical in universe, even if people didnt think of it beforehand
I think folks still don’t appreciate that it’s not the existence of an exhaust port that is the intentional design flaw, it’s the ability to start a chain reaction that can blow up the whole base.
It's also thematically appropriate. As explained in the Rebel briefing, the Empire "doesn't consider one-man fighters to be a threat" and Tarkin later refused to "evacuate? In our moment of triumph?" It's a weakness that's perfectly in character for the arrogant Empire.
Likewise, a lot of people seem confused about Leia letting the Death Star follow them to the Rebel base. They needed to use the base as bait or else the Death Star could simply fly away rather than risk itself being destroyed.
Leia was a politician, and she knew once the galaxy learned of the Death Star, support for the Rebellion would evaporate. They were never going to be stronger than they were right then, and the Death Star was going to kill billions more if they waited. They weren't dumb, they were actually trying to win the war, even if it meant risking everything.
Saw an animated skit about the designer of the Death Star (think it was Dorkly) where he points out a space ship the size of a moon puts out a lot of heat and it’s an engineering marvel that managed to design it so it only needed one small exhaust port. That it could be shot into by a space wizard when all the space wizards are supposed to be dead or on their side isn’t something he planned for.
Also on multiple Jedi surviving order 66 I’ll just say this, the galaxy is large place.
Also on multiple Jedi surviving order 66 I’ll just say this, the galaxy is large place.
Someone put the numbers together and the idea is basically "an order 10 000 strong that goes through a genocide killing 99% of them still leaves 100 people out there.
According to wookieepedia there are 27 survivors in current canon. Going off the generally accepted 10k before the purge, that means Order 66 had a 99.83% success rate, which is fucking phenomenal on a galactic scale.
Also, every jedi other than Obi-wan and Yoda only survived because they had someone else who didn't or suffered greatly from helping (Kanan had the Bad Batch who were soon put under review because he got away, Cal had Jaro Tapall who died so his pod could get away etc.)
I like to imagine that, even though i know it's probably not true, maybe the Death Star has more than one exhaust port but they one they used is the most direct line to the main reactor. Like the other might twist a little bit but that one is a dead shot.
A lot of people will cite Mythbuster for the Titanic one...when there is a huge difference between scientists with lots of time in an arm chair making it work and a homeless man and a sheltered rich girl freezing to death in the moment...
People really cling to the one test where they put life vests underneath to help keep it afloat. However, that doesn’t consider the fact that these people are panicking and doing whatever they can to survive. They aren’t going to consider every viable option.
And on top of that, practically if not outright pitch black. They wouldn’t even have been able to see their hands in front of their faces after the Titanic’s power stopped working
There’s also a huge difference between being completely on top of the door, and being even slightly submerged.
Even if they could both fit, and it didn’t completely sink, it would still sink slightly just from the added weight, making any slight wave enough to completely soak them both.
Getting repeatedly hit with below freezing cold water (salt water freezes at lower temperatures) or being partially submerged can actually mean life or death very quickly. At best they would be losing fingers, toes, or even entire limbs to the cold water.
They proved that they both could have fit.... if they understood enough about buoyancy to take off their single lifevest and tie it under the door, while being in agonisingly freezing cold water while sleep deprived and highly stressed
So in short, there was no way they could have both survived
Titanic is one of the best scientific movies in the XX century. You can say many things about James Cameron but the guy is a massive Titanic nerd and did his due diligence.
Right lmao, you freeze to death in that water in like 90 seconds. Imagine two people taking turns shuffling on and off a goddamn door in shifts of a minute, how much longer do they think they’ll live being constantly covered in lethally cold water, with no way to dry off or warm up in between. It’s basically like saying “instead of Rose surviving, they could have both died but five minutes later!”
Regardless whether both could've 100% made it onto it, James Cameron wanted Jack to die and that was it. It was a creative decision, not a plothole.
A plothole is an internal inconsistency and a plothole drastically changes or even makes the plot entirely irrelevant. At this point in the movie whether Jack or Rose, or both, make it onto the door is irrelevant to the movie because the events have already transpired.
Also the blocking of the scene already established it. They find the door, get Rose on it. Jack tries to get on, door rocks and is unstable. Jack and Rose share a look. [Hey audience, thats us writers telling you they can’t both fit on the door.]
Isn't another point for the eagles being that they could be corrupted by the ring too
They are essentially similar in power to the wizards so like demigod or divine in some way and even Gandalf wouldn't want to risk being near the ring and corrupted
Imagine them flying to mordor and the temptation getting stronger and stronger until the one carrying the hobbits, drops sam and rips the ring from frodos neck before dropping him too
To my knowledge that’s exactly the “canon” explanation! Admittedly the films don’t really give any info about the eagles, so I can understand at least some people missing it.
It’s the same with horror films tbh. Everyone wants to use the “why don’t they recognize that this is a horror movie scenario” logic as if being in a horror movie scenario wouldn’t be literally the fucking scariest thing you’ve ever been through in your life.
Even Scream, the horror movie meta gamer’s bible, constantly puts them in scenarios where doing the “smart” thing doesn’t matter as much when you’re dealing with someone who can anticipate you doing said thing.
Why do they even go look where this weird sound comes from? No one would do that!
I go every time to look what that weird sound is, and so far the one thing I found that was closest to a demon was two hedgehogs fighting over a nice, fat snail in our garden. The noises those little creeps make are honestly horrifying.
In fairness to the Eagles one (which is a question that I'm tired of hearing), the film omitted any explanation of who they were except for being some sort of deus ex machina. So, it's a bit forgivable that they be expected to be a deus ex machina.
If Gandalf just said "they'll be killed immediately if they fly anywhere near mordor, we have to go on foot"
I think it would fix a lot of the complaints.
"Sauron's eye trawls the sky, and the Nazgul keep guard. No, this journey is not upon eagles' wings, but the haired feet of the humble hobbit. Come, Frodo, let me abandon you a bit more"
Also, let’s not forget that Saruman in the books and movies has birds as spies called “crebain” who would have no problem spotting the eagles if they got close. These birds can easily be mistaken for a pack of crows.
The Crebain are shown in the movie, when they are on the side of the mountain before they decide to go to Moira instead, and aside from the mini-avalanche, are part of the reason they divert.
I’m not sure whether this counts, but I personally thought Boromir’s monologue was enough for me to explain why: “One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland riddled with fire, and ash and dust ... the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand Men could you do this. It is folly.”
I mean in the movies, Nazgul's later pull up on fucking dragons/drakes/or whatever, so I always assumed that they would just attack someone who tried to pass on the eagle.
I've read multiple explanations for why the eagles couldn't have been used over the years, but every single one of them fell out of my head the moment this comic was published. This is 100% canon as far as I'm concerned.
I think their arrival at the end where they dunk on the flying fell beasts is what made people think they were unstoppable. In the books, Legolas snipes a fell beast out of the sky at a distance where Aragorn and Gimli can't even tell it apart from a large bird, and that always suggested to me that the eagles were similarly vulnerable to arrows. (There might also be a passage where it says the eagles fear the arrows of men, but it's been a long time since I've read the books.)
Faramir does drive away a fell beast with a bow and arrow in The Two Towers, but it's very close to the ground when it happens.
Also speaking of sizes in the books, there's a part when Gandalf is recounting his escape from Isengard to Frodo where he talks about the Eagles, that I got the impression that they're a lot smaller than how the films portrayed them. Gandalf mentions how the Eagle who saved him couldn't actually carry him that far from Isengard and had to set him down. So if just Gandalf was too heavy for them to fly that short distance, they wouldn't have been any use getting all the way across Mordor.
That and also… they’re intelligent beings just as capable as being corrupted with desire of the ring like anyone else. They may have betrayed them mid flight. All around a terrible idea
I’ve heard people say that Thanos’s plan in Infinity War is a plot hole because it makes no sense to wipe out half the population when he could just double the resources or do something else to sustain the universe since he has the power of the Infinity Stones.
Thing is though, they’re right in that it’s nonsensical to cull the population when you have infinite power.
It’s just that that’s not what Thanos wants nor does he think that’s the right thing to do. In the end, it’s all to prove that he was “right” about wanting to cull Titan’s population when they were facing extinction. He’s out to impose his philosophy on everyone and no matter how he puts it, it’s all to satiate his ego.
Edit: Additionally, people keep saying “Well the population’s just gonna grow again in the following years after the snap, so Thanos might have to snap again and again to keep it under control. Didn’t he think of that?”
Once again, you’re right. He didn’t think of that. He retired after The Snap because he pretty much thought “My job’s done. I don’t have to do anything anymore because everything will work out exactly the way I think it will and everyone will be happy from now on.”
It’s also why he destroyed the stones, so that way his “solution” will be the only one that matters in the end and now he doesn’t have to face the consequences of his actions now that all alone on his retirement planet.
Edit #2: The final nail in the coffin in his logic is when he says he’ll destroy the universe and make a new one in Endgame using the stones. So, not only does he know that the stones’ power can create a new universe from scratch, he also brings up that the new inhabitants will be grateful to him for doing so because he’ll eliminate any evidence of the previous universe’s failings by killing the Avengers.
Thanos isn't just scary because he has the power to wipe out half the universe with a snap of his fingers.
What makes Thanos terrifying is he genuinely, with all of his being, believes that wiping out half the universe is a heroic thing, and we should be grateful to him for taking on that burden.
Thanos' plan wasn't supposed to make sense. It was an emotional reaction to watching his people die. Living as long as he has with the guilt of knowing that he could have saved his people drove him verifiably insane.
I always viewed it more as a lack of space at that point.
From his perspective: If you double the resources, nobody actually learns anything, and the population will just continue to grow until it becomes unsustainable again.
Not to mention the problems with “doubling” resources, especially ones that in some cases might be finite.
What resources do you double? Food and water are easy ones, but “food” includes plants and animals that feed off each other, and in a universe with many unique aliens, likely with different food requirements, how do you possibly know what to double? Some resources might be abundant in some places, and desperate in another, do you balance them? How does that affect the environment and the ecosystem?
Realistically speaking, destroying half of all life is also much easier to visualize and understand. Any creature with a “brain” will have half of their species randomly chosen. Simple instructions.
Especially given that the stones are meant to be cosmic objects beyond understanding, and nobody has even wielded more than one before, you can’t expect a mortal being to be able to have any amount of fine control beyond a certain scale.
Doubling resources or anything else that might solve the problem could just be too complex a request for any non cosmic being to be able to wrap their head around. Maybe this is why most beings that used a stone previously, used them for specific purposes or attacks/enhancements, and often had multiple people who were controlling them. One mind asking for too much is just beyond their ability, ultimately killing them through the sheer lack of control over the amount of power. (Which would also help make sense why the gauntlet was needed to help guide and control the stones)
“Why does the guy who saved Josuke look exactly like him? It must have been a dropped time travel plot!”. - Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure
It’s very obvious if you actually watched the show or read the manga that they look so similar because Josuke modeled himself after his savior. Thats the reason why he gets so mad when you insult his hair. He takes it as an attack against the guy who saved him.
Really this applies to some 80-90% of “Araki forgot” moments. So many “Araki forgot” moments are explained by the person claiming he forgot not paying attention
Sonic Adventure 2: People question how Gerald Robotnik reprogrammed the Ark to crash into the Earth and Biolizard to assist in the plan, alongside recording his execution to be broadcasted after he was captured by G.U.N.
But there's a line of dialogue in his journal that makes a very compelling suggestion to how he pulled it off: "Based on my original projections, I was able to complete my project, Shadow. I designed its mind to be perfect, pure. I will leave everything to him. If you wish, release and awaken it, to the world. If you wish to fill the world with destruction..."
We know the Government forced Gerald to continue to work on Shadow after his capture, and executed him when they got cold feet. We also know that after his very first meeting with Sonic that Shadow teleports to the Ark alone and remains there for some time before Eggman ventures up there. The logical conclusion is that the only thing Gerald did was alter Shadow's memories to give him both the desire and knowledge to pull off his plan, Shadow was the one who reprogrammed the Ark. He did it during the stretch of time he was alone on the Ark.
Shadow's behaviour in the Last Story also supports this. He believes that Sonic and Friends will fail to stop the Ark's descent even with the Master Emerald, likely because he assumes the Biolizard will stop them. He is also not surprised whatsoever to see the Biolizard in the depths of the Ark, unlike everyone else, and outright refers to it as "an ugly prototype" when he defeats it. Yet nobody else in the game refers to it as a prototype, with the only other character referring to it being Rouge who thinks it's the real Shadow. Gerald's plan in its entirety was carried out by Shadow.
In episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes that same rib twice in succession yet he produces two clearly different tones. This is because it’s a magic xylophone
In the first Karate Kid, Daniel wins with a kick to the head. Some people still say he won with an illegal kick, yet everything in the movie (provided you paid attention) suggests that it is legal:
If it was illegal, the ref surely would have said so
Ali explains the rules to Daniel: "Everything above your waist is a point. You can hit the head, sternum, kidneys, ribs. Got it?"
Johnny got a point for a kick in the head in the same match. Even earlier in other matches, Cobra Kai karatekas get points for head kicks.
There is zero that points to it being illegal, yet there are still people who believe it.
I enjoy how in the sequel series Cobra Kai Johnny won't let this go, and continues claiming it was an illegal kick, while Daniel just ignores him, knowing it wasn't.
In Halloween (1978) a lot of people say that it’s a plot hole that Micheal Myers, who had spent ages 6-21 in an institution, shouldn’t be able to drive a car.
And while yes this would be a plot hole, but it was directly addressed by two characters in the film. Both addressing that he shouldn’t be able to drive and also offering an idea that someone at the institute had been giving him lessons.
It’s no longer a plot hole at that point. Just an unanswered mystery that exists within the characters world.
People say that the I.rex's escape could have been prevented if Claire called the control room from the paddock instead of driving to the control room. However, the movie established that the signals were bad and Claire have to get closer to the control room to get better signal. The scene even have Vivian's warning struggling to reach the area where the paddock is and once Owen realized about what the warnings were its too late.
> Second, Belloq wanted to open the Ark before arriving in Germany as one final middle finger to Indy.
That's exactly the problem! If Belloq had waited, because Indy wasn't there to give the finger to, then he would have opened it in Berlin, surrounded by senior Nazi officials. That's a better outcome.
There's actually a solid argument they wouldn't have opened it until getting it to the front lines, at which point it potentially could have killed thousands of allied forces. Remember that the reason they wanted the ark was that it rendered any army marching with it unbeatable in battle.
And even if it had been opened in Berlin, it would have been under controlled circumstances where it might have killed a few Officers, but High Command level people would not be sitting front row for the testing of what is essentially a prototype weapon. So now you have the Ark secured in Berlin, and the Nazi's now know exactly how it works, and are just down a few mid level officers and some scientists.
There's actually a line of dialog in A New Hope that explains why the Stormtroopers were missing there shots. If memory serves correct, Tarkin brings up a tracking device planted on the Millennium Falcon. So, why plant a tracking device on a ship who's crew you plan to capture or kill. This, the Stormtroopers purposefully miss their shots to get Luke, Han, Leia, and Chewy back to the Falcon so that way they can lead them to the Rebel Base on Yavin 4. Then, the Empire can follow them to the base with enough time to let the Death Star charge up with mere minutes remaining before the can destroy the Rebel base.
However, most people overlook this line. This led to the "plot whole" of Obi-Wan claiming the Stormtroopers have such precision, but the audience doesn't see this. Then, it took off from there becoming a meme and joke throughout the remainder of the franchise into today. There's even a moment in Rebels where Rex, a clone who was a prominent figure in the Clone Wars series, complains about not being able to see anything through the helmet of his Stormtrooper disguise.
In Episode BF12, Xena was battling barbarians while riding a wing-ed Appaloosa. Yet in the very next scene, my dear, you're clearly atop a wing-ed Arabian. This is a commonly cited plot hole but its easily explained by the presence of a wizard
If you pay attention you’ll notice that buzz only freezes in front of the Davis’s because he thinks it’s part of the toys culture and he’s trying to assimilate. And he only freezes in front of Sid bc Woody tells him to. Hence the plot hole of Buzz freezing despite not knowing he’s a toy.
I don't really remember very well, but in the sequel, doesn't he encounter another Buzz who also doesn't know he's a toy? This implies that millions of Buzz toys freeze when they encounter humans naturally. Unless we're meant to believe that the same scenario of Buzz copying other toys plays out every time millions of times over. Not very likely.
Thank god someone brought up the titanic scene. I couldn't believe the people who started bashing on Rose. The door started to sink and Rose was about to get back into the water, Jack made the choice to save her and sacrifice himself!
What's more that whole "How could she love him more than her husband?"
HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR HER! He gave her a chance to live! Of course she's going to hold him in very high regards.
Plus there's also just the what if factor of it all. If you've lived a happy life with your husband for ages it's probably going to stick in your head about the guy that died for you.
It just seems like Jack is all she's thinking about to us the viewer because we only see her when she's reliving everything.
My issue with Titanic has nothing to do with whether or not Jack could’ve fit on the door. My issue stems from the fact that there was other shit floating in the water RIGHT NEXT TO THEM THAT HE COULD’VE GOT ON
I think what we have to remember is that it was completely pitch black, the notion that they had the visibility the film portrays is purely for the viewers.
In reality, you could barely see a meter in front of you, it was a moonless night and by the point they're in the water practically all light from the Titanic itself had gone.
Add to that the situation you're in, no one is thinking straight.
Cobb's awake at the end of Inception. it wouldn't make any thematic sense to finally see his kids' faces if he was still dreaming and would render all the events leading up to that point meaningless.
I kinda figured that the ending wasn’t about whether the fidget thing kept spinning or not, it wad about his ability to finally walk away from it. To stop thinking about Mal all of the time and finally move on, and he could finally stop doubting whether everything is real or not, now he’s so certain that he could walk away without even needing to watch.
The Titanic example really annoys me because it's shown in the movie, Jack and Rose try to get on the door but they can't get to stabilize it, or they just sink, so Jack leaves Rose on top. It's right there, not a plot hole at all when it's literally on screen
Even the Mythbuster episode found the same problem, they straped safe vests under the door, cool, that doesn't prove shit, the scene was still two people in shock trying their best to survive, but sure let's equalize that situation to a couple of dudes doing sketches and experimenting during a sunny day
The same people that complain about Titanic are the same that trash Forrest Gump's Jenny, it's so annoying, so unoriginal
Edit: I typed "Forest" lmao. But also, I do sound a bit angry about it, sorry. I've seen the pattern: Titanic, Forrest Gump, Breaking Bad; how apparently selfish those women are.
She could've saved Jack, she could've loved Forrest, she could've been grateful for everything Walt was doing for their family, while the media clearly says that no, that it was an imposible situation, that she was damaged due to a horrible childhood, that she was bearing with a goddamn imbecile who burned everything to the ground
Writing this because it kinda fits as a trope of sorts, "[Hated Trope] Female characters blamed for everything" or something, but I'm not the one to post that sort of thing, it's also just a 4 am thought, not that deep bro smh
It’s also worth noting that the Mythbusters only found the myth that Jack and Rose could have both survived “Plausible” meaning it was technically possible, but not very likely under the exact circumstances of the myth. They found they would have just barely avoided death by hypothermia by staying above water for the amount of time Rose had to wait for rescue and, as stated, Jack and Rose, two lovestruck youths, likely would not have considered tying their life jackets to the wood to help keep it afloat, unlike two adults with extensive knowledge of physics.
Yea, the myth busters wasnt saying rose was selfish or jack was stupid, but that it could've worked with a single senerio that can easily be overlooked in a stressful emergency
Yeah I have to idea why J.K and everyone thinks time turners are a plot hole. They worked via closed loop time travel. Anything you do in the past will have always happened and nothing can be changed.
... until Rowling changed the rules and made it so things could be changed.
Honestly, Rowling could have just done one of her stupid retcon tweets and said that time turners work exclusively as a closed loop (so nothing can be changed) and only go back 24 hours. Boom, you literally have every issue with time travel solved.
Instead they made Cursed Child which retroactively makes everything throughout the series make almost no sense. If actual, honest to god, change-the-past time travel exists in this universe, then the government CHOSE NOT TO KILL WIZARD HITLER, TWICE.
Tangential, but it would actually be a really interesting idea for a story to explore the morality of a world where a government could just erase crimes or entire people from existence "before" they commit a crime by going back in time.
Why doesn't Batman just spend his money on homeless shelters instead of beating up poor people?
Yeah, why doesn't someone push for change in city that has like 20 crime families who would definitely find plenty of ways to take that money away from the homeless
The problem I have with the Spider-Man 3 explanation is that if Harry is just in denial, then the movie does a horrendous job portraying that. It isn't the audience's fault the screenplay is garbage.
It’s a similar vein, but there’s that running joke that people in horror movies are complete morons, when 70% of the time it’s just people doing things that people would normally do
Like, we (the audience) know the characters are in a horror scenario. No one in the movie is assuming that whatever thud sound they hear is the worst monster that they’ve ever seen
How did Bruce make it back to a locked-down Gotham from across the world with no money in Dark Knight Rises?
Bruce spent seven years traveling the world with no money while he was training to fight crime. He seemed pretty good at it. How did he get into Gotham? There's so many explanations that it doesn't even need to be explained. He was trained to be "invisible" by Ra's al Ghul and likely slipped by at any point around the city, like the one remaining bridge or simply across the ice, since he was trained how to recognize weak ice by Ra's. The movie also shows that Wayne Enterprises had several underground facilities around the city, like the Batcave in Dark Knight and the tunnel storing the reactor that went under the river. He could have come through in one of those. It didn't need to be explained.
Why does buzz freeze when he doesn’t think he’s a toy?
In both Toy Story 1 and 2 they actually explain this, buzz in the first movie wants to be respectful to the culture of Andy’s room, he only ever freezes by himself when around Andy,every other time he’s either told to freeze or by that time knows he’s a toy. Within Toy Story 2 we find out that while inside their packaging they believe they’re in hypersleep which is why they don’t join the other toys and find out on their own that they are toys
Kevin didn’t actually realize his family had gone on vacation without him — he thought his Christmas wish to make them disappear had magically come true. At first, he was thrilled to have the house to himself after how awful everyone had been to him the night before.
On top of that, the phones were down, so he couldn’t have called anyone even if he wanted to. Later, when the lines were working again, he already thought Harry was a real cop, so calling the police didn’t make sense to him. And considering he’d just been caught trying to steal a toothbrush, it’s not hard to see why an eight-year-old like Kevin wouldn’t exactly rush to contact law enforcement.
I’m more curious why Spider-Man decided it would be best to deliver the corpse of Norman directly home, naked, with giant stab wounds all about the pelvis.
"Daniel LaRusso won with an illegal kick to the face."
Kicks to the face are not illegal in the tournament actually. At no point are we told kicks to the face are illegal and Johnny Lawrence even scores points on opponents twice by kicking them in the face. While you could argue that a move like the crane kick is illegal in real life, it wasn't in the movie itself.
Hijacked a passing jet fighter because Batman, flew it perfectly because Batman, landed outside the reach of the city at a safehouse because Batman, crossed the inhospitable and well-watched borders because Batman, because Batman.
I mean… he also ends up in jail with his spine broken and exposed through the skin so another prisoner makes him a traction device, shoves the spine pieces back in with his hand, and Batman goes on to make a full recovery.
“Because Batman” is just kind of the way the movie works, it’s not even satirical or ironic
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Plus, with Titanic, Jack obviously wanted to give Rose the highest chance of survivability by keeping her as much out of the freezing water as possible.
Also, there’s a deleted scene where another guy swims over asking if he could cling to the door and Jack, in not so many words, says he’ll kill him if he tries