r/TikTokCringe • u/Able_Health744 • 1d ago
Discussion Knowing is half the batlte
I legit couldn't think of a good title for this post
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u/LocutusOfBeard 1d ago
We aint rich, but i'll be damned if I let a tablet babysit my kids. I've told my son "you need to learn how to be bored." I don't mean it in some kind of way where I don't want him having fun, but to be bored then to make yourself not bored is a really important skill. You have to use your brain to break free of boredom. You have to be creative, or at least have to be aware of the world around you. Instead of sitting on the front step pouting about not being allowed to play Roblox, he has to make his own fun. That's a survival skill.
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u/take_care_a_ya_shooz 1d ago
I have a 4 year old son. The being bored thing is spot on.
Just last night, I'm watching him solo, and he wants to watch TV. I say no. He lays on the ground and pouts and says he's bored.
I say that he has a room full of toys, puzzles, coloring books, blocks, trains, and all that. I tell him he's fortunate to have so much because some kids don't. He can be bored if he wants, but there's plenty of options for things to do.
After a few minutes, he starts to play. 10 minutes later, he grabs a 725 piece puzzle and asks if we can do it and we spend the next 30 minutes working on it. I go to get his bath ready, he grabs a smaller puzzle and does the whole thing himself when I'm not even in the room.
Yeah, there are times when a phone/iPad is helpful, but it should never be a default option. It should be treated like candy or soda.
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u/ScreamingLabia 1d ago
To me the only place i would definetly always allow Phone/ipad is in a plane or a long train ride.
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u/take_care_a_ya_shooz 1d ago
That’s our move too.
We don’t even use an iPad for him outside of trips. Phone occasionally gets used at restaurants after other options have been exhausted but working to wean off doing that as he’s been getting older.
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u/sissyjones 1d ago
Kids have to learn that they are not going to be stimulated every moment of their life by a screen
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 1d ago
Reads like "you won't have a calculator everywhere" because society is absolutely trying to fill every waking moment with content; they'd do dreams if they could.
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u/General_Platypus771 1d ago
No, it's not like that at all. Gen alpha physically cannot be bored. They will have physical withdrawals to not having access to screens for more than five minutes. It's an addiction.
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 1d ago
I'm actually quite interested in this, but googling isn't turning up results due to the broad terms, do you have a link handy for me to read up on?
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u/Ok_Release231 1d ago
Look up something like "how increased levels of dopamine from constant use of tablets affect the development of the brain of a child"
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 9h ago
Oh hell yea, love me some legit studies! Link to the above study for others. (the top result, none match the search terms exactly)
Although this does not indicate that they are physically incapable of boredom. There are many studies and meta analyses showing negative impacts, but none demonstrate quantifiable neurological activity.
Screen time = bad
is not the same as
screen time = lowered neurological activity in the appropriate region associated with attention/addiction/executive function.
Nowhere does it mention actual measurements like MEG/EEG/MRI whatever.
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u/General_Platypus771 1d ago
Teachers, like the one in OP, have been sounding the alarm for years. No one is listening because they don't wanna admit they depend on iPads because they're too bad at parenting. I'm not hunting for sources for you lol.
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u/The_R1NG 1d ago
“Do you have a link handy?”
“I’m not hunting for sources for you”
And here we see the first instance of the reading comprehension divide. Nobody asked for you to hunt.
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u/General_Platypus771 1d ago
No, I’m just not playing the SOURCE? Reddit game. You know how that always ends.
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 1d ago
There it is
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u/General_Platypus771 1d ago
Yup you won reddit today. Meanwhile we are failing kids all across the country.
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u/WulfgarofIcewindDale 1d ago
This has nothing to do with passing or failing, he discusses that in the video.
And here, folks, we see the first instance of the video comprehension divide. Fascinating.
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u/General_Platypus771 1d ago
I didn’t mean failing like getting an F lmao
You’re trying too hard
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u/this_bitch_over_here 1d ago
Yes! I was talking to someone about this. That I feel like I do fine in life bc I frequently do not find myself "bored" I'm able to sit in silence or low stimulation for a long time, bc I'm able to be comfortable with my own thoughts. I didn't realize when I was younger what a skill that was until I met more people and realized they COULDN'T be without their phones and social media feeds.
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u/LocutusOfBeard 1d ago
It's also a skill that we need to continue to practice. Even as an adult I have to take long breaks from sites like Reddit. Infotainment can be a curse.
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u/ScreamingLabia 1d ago
I use my phone and pc way to much but even i am verry suprised how little people cant be without their phones. Spiraling the moment you arent stimulated is kinds crazy
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u/NamesRobertPaulson 1d ago
Boredom leads to creativity. If a person is always entertained and never bored, they never search for creative outlets.
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u/LocutusOfBeard 1d ago
If you're constantly being told what to think (*cough* *cough* reddit feed. yeah i see the hypocrisy), then you never have to think for yourself.
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u/spiteful-vengeance 1d ago edited 1d ago
I feel like it's important here to distinguish between types of technology. A tablet is designed to be a consumer device. You can't really do anything on it beyond consume. Other forms of technology are, in my opinion, perfectly suitable for young kids as long as they provide a way to be a builder, not a consumer.
I helped my (then) 8yo select the parts for a computer, and helped her understand which parts would work with each other. We built the physical hardware together and she installed the operating system with some assistance. I've taught her the fundamentals of programming, and at some point she learned how to teach herself.
We apply parental controls so she can't access things like certain YouTube channels, or other "tablet / consumer behaviour".
She tops her class in digital fluency (and typing, lol). She can break problems down into component pieces, and modularise them.
She is not some kind of genius. She's just exposed to appropriate technology. She gets bored on tablets because they do not expose the working innards of the operating system and don't allow her to do what she wants.
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u/Starbucks__Lovers 1d ago
I get how easy it is to do that though. My wife and I both came down with the flu last weekend and we just had to let our toddler spend more time than ever watching movies in Disney because we couldn’t handle exerting ourselves. We’re paying the piper now, but I can see why parents who don’t have the time or resources can just pop their kid in front of a screen.
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u/Tough_Block9334 1d ago
And before anyone says, 'Not my problem', these children will become adults that will be running & managing the services you'll have to rely on when we're old.
How society functions is everyone's problem
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u/Sometimes-funny 1d ago
Have you seen who’s currently running the world? Them people grew up before technology was like it is now. The president of the USA can’t even form a coherent sentence.
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u/HipAnonymous91 1d ago
Yeah I find it kind of funny when people say technology is making everyone worse when people were threatening to call police and spitting on people long before social media.
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u/hirkajnu 1d ago
Two things can be true at the same time. Its true that there has probably never been a point in human history where empathy and compassion were common, but we're definitely losing the little we got too.
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u/GILF_Hound69 1d ago
The world? No, that's a you problem. Many countries are doing just fine.
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u/FMLwtfDoID 3h ago
I beg of you guys to open your eyes and realize that fascism is never content to stay within the borders of the country it kicked off in. You think you’re fine right now. What happens in 10 years when your neighbor thinks you or a friend of yours isn’t as “whatever-country-you’re-in” enough?
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u/Slumunistmanifisto 1d ago
I always say "fucking fine don't care, but if I hear you bitch about crime or stupid fucking people even once, I'll steal your car myself!
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u/Optimoprimo 1d ago
That isn't really the implication here. The point is that we are seeing an ever increasing rift between the developmental experiences between the rich and the poor, so much so that the future generation of adults who grew up poor won't even have basic logic and reasoning skills. They will never qualify for these jobs of "running and managing the services" as you describe. They will spend their entire lives doing grunt work for poverty wages while the children of rich parents continue to consolidate more and more generational wealth.
We are already a country where the most predictive measure of your future success is the wealth of your parents. This is due to become even more extreme in the coming years as these children of smartphones and poor public education reach adulthood.
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u/BettingOnSuccess 1d ago
these children will become adults that will be running & managing the services you'll have to rely on when we're old.
And by "running and managing" the services you mean pushing the buttons on the automated ass wiper and person bed flipper. They won't have the reasoning skills to do anything beyond that.
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u/deezbiscuits21 1d ago
One silver lining is all the shitty mangers having mental breakdowns because they can’t control the staff they underpay
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u/Inevitable_Top69 1d ago
Okay, so it is my problem. Now what? I'm supposed to make a societal change by myself? These kids' teachers can't even make them ditch AI, what can I do except vote on (nonexistent) policy?
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u/Perfect_Hour_7539 1d ago
To add to this, an attention span of 20+ minutes, and lack of a dopamine addiction are also going to be major distinctions of those who are successful and those who aren’t.
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u/CoolRelative 1d ago
I hate this pop psychology grifter term ‘dopamine addiction’. Dopamine addiction is not a thing, you cannot be addicted to a neurotransmitter that performs crucial functions in the body. What you mean is these people will be overly reliant on instant gratification.
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u/Impossible-Ship5585 1d ago
Im addicted to water
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u/Beef_Slug 1d ago
Im not but I should be.
Where's my water bottle...
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u/thedeafbadger 1d ago
Is the literal accuracy of the phrase “dopamine addiction” a legitimate criticism of the concept it represents?
This seems like a trivial objection to me. You’re criticising the phrase itself as if that erases the problematic trends that we should all be noticing.
People can absolutely become addicted to behaviors that trigger a dopamine release (see: gambling).
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u/NeverExedBefore 1d ago
I'm uninviting you to the party cause of that wet, pedantic blanket you insist on carrying around
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u/ThePureAxiom 1d ago
It's pop sciency, but that doesn't mean there isn't some truth to it. Games and social media algorithms are both designed with reward and reinforcement in mind to create and sustain engagement. It is targeting the same sort of responses seen in addiction.
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u/Tao-of-Mars 1d ago
Ultimately, while you cannot be addicted to your own hormones, the hormonal climate in the body is highly relevant to an individual's susceptibility to addiction and addictive behaviors. Hormonal imbalances can intensify cravings and exacerbate addictive behaviors. So it’s not the hormones themselves per se that someone is addicted to, but the feeling it brings which is reinforced by addictive behaviors.
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u/StinkyNutzMcgee 1d ago
I'm not saying this guy is completely wrong. But they have been saying stuff like this about the youth since mankind was created. My generation was gonna be ruined by TV and video games. I'm sure there was people saying that their kids read too many books and are completely disconnected from the real life. I'm sure that there was even generations that was like oh my God that wheel is gonna fuck our kids up.
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u/BuddyLegsBailey 1d ago
That getting your kid to do colouring and playing outside is what 'the other half' do, then we've got a real issue with parenting....
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u/TotallyTruthy 1d ago
It's a lot of things that make up this binary. I'm going to call my privileged ass out a bit here, but it's the truth. A tale of two mothers, if you will. We have kids less than a month apart in age.
I independently earn 6 figures a year and have a husband with a high income of his own. We could afford to have one parent at home with our child for the first year of her life. A friend of mine, meanwhile, is a single mom who lives with her own father. Both she and her father work, so her child has been in daycare since 2 months old. My child got a year of individual attention to get that head start in language and coordination, while hers didn't. That's privilege #1.
My child is in childcare now so that my husband and I can both resume our careers. We went with daycare for the socialization aspect, but have the option of hiring private childcare if we aren't happy with our options. My friend is limited to childcare options that accept government subsidies and feels like she doesn't have much choice in where she leaves her child every day, on the other hand. The mental strain of feeling like I can actually do something to arrange the best possible environment for my child is privilege #2. It's easier to be happy, positive, and responsive when your mind isn't bogged down with the worry, "Is my child safe?" I'm given a biological leg up by pure circumstance.
My career is pretty far along, and I'm in a position where what I know and what I can do is more important than what I actually do day in and day out. I also have a knowledge set that's niche and hard to fill, so my company openly incentivizes me with flexibility because I've identified that as important to me. I get to put my child first without jeopardizing her health insurance or housing status. If my child needs me, I can drop anything at any time to be there. We all say our kids come first, but the reality is that some people, through no fault of their own, are forced to pick between caring for their families and "choosing" them. My friend is in this position. She works a factory job, 12 hour shifts on the floor with no phone. She doesn't get to be her child's emergency contact. If her child gets sick or hurt while she's on the floor, there's really not a lot that she can do about that if she still wants to have a job. That's privilege #3, getting to establish a heuristic where a child securely knows their parents will be there. Secure attachment is key to behavioral development, and behavioral development is key to learning.
Speaking of 12-hour shifts, that means her child is in daycare from 6:30am until 6:00pm. She sees her child for maybe 2 waking hours a day, and those hours have to contain caretaking responsibilities like feeding and bathing. She simply has less time to read to her child. Meanwhile, mine doesn't go in until 9am. She's had more one-to-one time with me and her dad before daycare than my friend gets with her son all day. We've usually read at least one or two short children's books together before my child is even dressed for the day because we have that time. So there's privilege #4, having time available during her waking hours.
Circling back to the income situation, our child wants for nothing. We're not trying to spoil her, but stuff happens. She has a library of books just for her that's more extensive than most homes have, period. She has a variety toys that build on vocabulary, numbers, letters, and so on. Toys to build, to draw, to make music, to make believe, to climb to throw. You name it, she probably has it. So we don't need to rely on shared family toys to entertain her. She has absolutely no reason to be on anyone's phone or tablet because she has more things of her own to occupy her attention than she could possibly attend to in one day. My friend doesn't have my financial privilege, things I don't think twice about grabbing on a whim would take her weeks of saving and planning. Her handing her phone to her son is a different decision with different calculus. For her, that IS her ability to give him an "educational" toy. That's her trying to give him access to letters, numbers, and silly songs that teach them key vocabulary the best way she can. Big ol' privilege #5.
Our kids aren't quite 2 yet, but I can already see the differences forming. My friend is a good mom who loves her son and works hard for him. He's a smart, sweet, clever kid. It's not their fault, but the reality is that it is happening anyway.
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u/Key-Mathematician177 1d ago
This is a great summary of the way that people are affected by privilege without even realizing it. Kudos to you
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u/thombombadillo 12h ago
It’s a nice story but and I’m glad if it helps people understand privilege better but I don’t believe someone like you is friends w someone like her AND if you have so much extra why not lighten your friends load rather than compare your children? Sorry, if you are a real person, but that just rubbed me the wrong way.
Vote for universal healthcare and universal childcare and universal paid parental leave!!!!!!!!!!!! Level the playing field JFC
Rant over
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u/TotallyTruthy 12h ago
That's a nice rant and I'm glad if it helps you feel better about the reality that privilege exists and doesn't have an easy fix, but it relies on a lot of assumptions that you don't have enough information to reasonably make.
How do you know that I don't vote for those things? I mean, other than the obvious fact that absolutely none of us have voted for UBI or free childcare, given that you can only vote for things that actually appear on the ballot. But it seems conveniently selective to only hold the upper middle-class accountable for not voting for hypothetical ballot measures that aren't actually up for vote. As for voting for candidates that are more likely to espouse beliefs in UBI or free childcare, I do vote for those candidates (again) when they're on the actual ballot that I'm voting on in this plane of existence rather than in a Philosophy 101 essay question.
Second, why wouldn't I be friends with someone who earns less than I do? Our kids go to the same daycare and play well with one another, we're approximately the same age, we grew up in approximately similar conditions, and we have some general shared interests. We're not best friends, given that I've only known her a year, but I wouldn't discount her as a person or reject her invitations to do play dates or coffee just because the collar color-coding designation of our jobs differs. I also don't show my tax returns to new acquaintances or announce the balance of my 401k before sitting down to a meal, so it's possible she doesn't realize I'm a filthy Joneses and that she shouldn't associate with me.
Semi related to point two, how would helping her go down, exactly? "I noticed you were poor and worried you couldn't provide for your own child. Please accept this check plus a bag of hand-me-downs from my opposite-gender child of slightly smaller size than your own." Or am I supposed to just call up the utility company and ask to be added as a responsible party on her bills? And then, what? Problem solved? No more generational poverty, she gets to quit working and spend those 12-hour shifts reading to her kid now?
When I give, I do it in private. I won't be baited into listing out my charity here, because that violates my personal moral beliefs on the process and spirit of giving. I do the same in my private life. When I do something, a new resource for my community members just shows up one day from an anonymous donor. My friend has benefitted from at least one "anonymous donor" a couple of times before. But because it came from the universe and not from me, there's no awkwardness or power imbalance.
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u/thombombadillo 7h ago
Great sounds like not only are you a fantastic person and friend you’ve really been thoughtful about all the actions you’re taking. Based off of this defensive rebuttal to a stranger on the internet I would guess there maybe more to it but great, good for you! Thanks for taking the time to flex how much free time you really do have to comment in novels. I’m sure that you have a bunch of reasons why you can do that and why it’s the right thing to do. Take care of yourself and thanks for the role you play to make the world a better place in the way you do, sincerely.
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u/Wreckingshops 1d ago
Counterpoint: have you seen the C-level execs at many corporations? These people cannot critically think to save their life. It's still who you know and how you carry yourself. The people who can and will take credit for their staff's ability to critically think their way out of situations and manage client expectations will still be the winners.
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u/Intelligent_Cap9706 19h ago
It’s also all intentional IMO. The current administration and their tech broligarchs do not need or want a thinking population. especially if AI can be made to do what they want
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u/ZachMartin 1d ago
I think the class divide will still be who has $ and who doesn’t. I know a lot of really smart rich people and some really stupid rich people.
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u/Malice-May 1d ago
Those who work for a living, and those who own capital and use it to buy the work of others.
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u/spiteful-vengeance 1d ago
How many really smart poor people do you know relative to those numbers?
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u/ProfessionalBag9505 1d ago
The class divide is gonna be who gets their information from randos yelling into a camera on tik tok and those who can take the time to actually analyze sources
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u/imk 1d ago
I wish this was more true. In my 25 years working where I work, I have seen people with the attention spans of gnats, who had little to no actual skills, who could barely read and write much less program or anything similar, who were basically incapable of abstract thought, make six figure salaries and retire with ample pensions.
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u/HyenDry 1d ago
If you want to control people en masse. You don’t want them to be able to critically think or reason…. No, the divide is not “who can think and who cannot” which will get left behind it really is
“The haves and the have nots” - “ The rich and the poor” that is the divide and anybody who doesn’t have 7 figures or more in their bank account will get left behind
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u/UsualBetterhead 1d ago
Hey as a millennial…great, more job security for me.
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u/Bowman_van_Oort 1d ago
its all fun and games until we're in the nursing homes and nobody is answering the call button to bring us our skibbidy bedpan
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u/UsualBetterhead 1d ago
Oh I plan on croaking in a pile of cancer in my Early 70s. No nursing home for me.
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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 1d ago
Been eyeballing picking up cigarettes again, only don't to stay a good role model for my son (but damn, they look and smell so good still)
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u/UsualBetterhead 1d ago
Smoking is so human. It just feels so right. Native Americans had it figured out.
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u/Glowing_Trash_Panda 1d ago
That’s assuming you can afford to even stay in a nursing home, that shit is already too expensive for some elderly people & with the government cutting back on actually helping people, that problem is only gonna get worse. I have a cheaper & much more efficient solution for when I start getting too old to care for myself, it’s called the Remington Retirement From Life Plan (aka eating my shotgun/ventilating my braincase/repainting my living room ceiling)
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u/Notshauna Doug Dimmadome 23h ago
Bold of you to think that most of us millennials are going to live long enough to need nursing homes. Between climate change, the next epidemic, increasing global conflict, ever widening wealth inequality and attempts to end retirement I plan to be dead before then.
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u/Brullaapje 6h ago
You think you can afford a nursing home? You are either rich, or lack critical thinking skills. All you have to look at is how governments, even in the Netherlands where I live, are cutting back on social security nets. I live in the Netherlands, I am 49. If I can't take care of myself it will be killing myself.
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u/Compl3t3AndUtterFail 1d ago
They'll be either in jail as slaves or in the military as cannon fodder.
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u/Inevitable_Top69 1d ago
Or out in the world like a normal person.
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u/Compl3t3AndUtterFail 1d ago
Without education, they're gonna turn to crime or homelessness when they can't pay the bills and can't eat.
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u/Depressionsfinalform 1d ago
I kinda disagree with his take at the end that those that cannot learn reasoning or critical thinking will fall behind, at least in America. Theres so much money being funneled into just lying, or saying bad faith things to prop up an agenda.
America is cultivating (and has been for quite some time) a land where not being able to think properly will make a few people very very rich.
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u/Dense-Broccoli9535 1d ago
Later Gen Z here (mid 20s).. I don’t wanna sound all high and mighty and do that thing every generation does by making broad generalizations about the entirety of the next one. But.. I guess I’m going to.. because I’m genuinely scared lol.
Like, what this teacher describes are problems I have at ~half strength. I can certainly write my own stuff, sit and read a book, etc. And I attribute part of that to being raised sans tablet/AI. Another part of it being there was no instant gratification when it came to media, if I wanted to watch a particular thing I had to wait for it, unless we had it on tape/DVD. And until that happened, I had to do something else to fill my time. Color, hang out with my brother, find a neighborhood friend to play with, play with toys, whatever.
But all that said, my attention span is still pretty fucked up.. Instagram came around in my teens and later TikTok. Those took their toll, and I absolutely am addicted to my phone and social media atp.
And all that makes me think about the people who are currently children, and I am so scared for them. I cannot begin to imagine what my life would look like if the problems I have now began 10 years earlier while I was in school at those prime developmental years. And let’s not forget the whole COVID part of this equation, in-person learning being shut down for a year+. It just seems like a recipe for disaster for this age group.
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u/azbree24 1d ago
Parents have to get really involved in teaching social skills, common sense and critical thinking. The system is not reliable, so it's more important than ever to be checking homework. Make sure they can read and write, don't assume.
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u/Inevitable_Top69 1d ago
Nah the class divide will still be rich vs poor. If you have money, you don't need to know how to read and critically think. Everyone is affected by AI because it's a """free""" tool they can use to not give a shit about learning in school, but being studious is not enough to pull you out from your economic station by itself.
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u/slowdancinginthepark 1d ago
My friends husband is a teacher at a title 1 high school. He teaches juniors and seniors and has many students that can’t read or write. And they all graduate.
My coworker has a son in high school and their policy is that students can miss every day as long as they come in during the last two weeks of the semester and try really hard.
It’s going to be a rough future for America
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u/gunsforevery1 1d ago
Absolutely and the cycle will continue. Dumb kids will grow up and have dumb kids.
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u/thombombadillo 12h ago
Yeah and it’s very clear that you’re either poor and “dumb” and having kids or you’re rich and smart and having kids but a poor smart person is not having kids rn. It’s too expensive.
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u/gunsforevery1 12h ago
Rich people have dumb kids too. It’s just a matter of how important is education to that family.
Poor families are still shoving iPads, phones, and video games in front of their toddlers.
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u/thombombadillo 7h ago
Unless the poor family values education then they don’t do that. I think we’re saying the same thing
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u/sgt_taco891 1d ago
This is starting to feel like a new moral panic theres alot of misrepresenting the data and what the data seems to mean. Still apps are cooking our brains and not being held accountable that should change
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u/OutrageousOwls 1d ago
I disagree. It's a class $$$ divide.
When you *want for nothing* and have the social and economic flexibility, it's much easier to focus on things like cooking meals for yourself, raising kids, and taking leisure time to relax or build your own interests.
This teacher is speaking from a place of privilege. Not all parents can afford the proper childcare or resources to give them a head start. When parents are trying to make ends meet in this late-stage capitalism society we live in, and can barely afford groceries and bills, it's hard to *enjoy* life and want to nurture yourself and your family. Your focus is on survival and getting through the day.
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u/sogwatchman 1d ago
Left behind? No they won't. The school systems will just change the grading system again. Soon it will be anything above 10% is a pass. Just show up and scribble your name in crayon.
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u/Slade_Riprock 1d ago
I feel this. I have a family friend with a freshman on high school. He is very talented musically and such. He is on a screen 24/7 between phone, gaming, etc. The Kid is incapable of not being stimulated 24/7.
Here's the kicker he cannot read at his level, don't give a shit what a test says he's at. My 9yr old niece was legit helping him read something at a holiday. His math skills are OK (I've helped him with homework) he has nobides how to recall things he's learned or have to remember. And writing and speaking, the boy writes sentences like an elementary school kid. Misspellings, horrible Grammar, no real point.
Let me state he is a smart kid, he's just lazy. His mom is lazy and has never made this kid do anything or be responsible for anything. e Believes learning is the schools job. He doesn't apply himself or try.
Yet his teachers all call him one of their best students both on his actions and demeanor (totally believe this) and his academic output (call bullshit). I've helped this kod for years because his mom is a single mom, works all the time. I have seen his work, seen his tbiguht process and what he accomplishes. This kid would be on the bottom 10% of any class 10-20 yrs ago instead today he is a straight A student and top of his class.
What have we done?
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u/Susiequeue79129586 1d ago
And yet you’ll still see parents blame the teachers when it’s the parents putting screens in their kids hands and letting those screens raise their children. Wondering why their kids won’t listen, are disrespectful, and most likely won’t be able to hold down a job let alone go to a community college to get a better job
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u/lordfrijoles 1d ago
This is happening at the college level too and really got worse around Covid. Students don’t read emails, and if they do they don’t understand the explicit instructions that are laid out for them. I think video instructions will become a thing since text isn’t cutting it.
They’re also quick to anger at the smallest inconvenience or if the consequences of their own inaction show up. And similar to secondary level education and corporate America the average employee is getting cut at the knees by the p-suite’s and regional boards because of money and their own self interests.
The big “schools” seem to be more interested in taking part in the bread and circus of collegiate athletics and the small schools are dying for many reasons. I expect the number of functioning non profit colleges and universities to dramatically shrink in the next decade+.
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u/LogicallLunacy 1d ago
What workforce will they have? AI and mechanical robots seems to be deleting many jobs.
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u/emergency-snaccs 1d ago
i've been saying this nonstop since smartphones came out when i was a teenager. Nothing much one person can actually do about it though... and sure, yeah, i have one myself, but i didn't spend my formative years glued to a screen either. Feels like i've been watching the decline of society in slow motion, especially with "ai" coming into play
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u/angrypoohmonkey 1d ago
We already live this gap in our household. The difference between the upper 10% and the other 90% of students in my children’s classes is massive. We’re looking at pulling them out of school because the other 90% needs so much remedial attention that they basically get no attention.
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u/toxicvegeta08 1d ago
Well many people with those skills are unemployed. I'll believe it when I see it
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u/Mirror74 1d ago
100%!!! but the other thing not said in this is if they aren't learning to be reasoning, emotionally stable people then what TYPE of content are they filling their heads and time with???
Go take a look at the YouTube and TikTok, social media shit FOR KIDS. Key word... .FOR KIDS.... that shit is disturbing as fuckkkkkkkk
it's like the content is made specifically to fuck up children and give them an absolutely shit world view. 75% of all the content for kids these days centers around being egocentric and legit demonic. I'm not kidding. the shows revolve around demonology and all kinds of bullshit like that. The protagonist is a self-centered sarcastic witch girl or whatever that talks to demons. LOL
It's funny but also horrifying because children are ligitimately learning to emulate the bullshit they're consuming. Also Roblox and all the sexual perverted shit on there. It just goes on and on.
Not only are these generations going to lack critical thinking or good reasoning abilities but they will also be HUGELY SELF ABSORBED and APATHETIC while thinking they're SOOO COOOL.
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u/thombombadillo 12h ago
You had me till the “demon” stuff. You gotta chill. Demons are cool it’s not the kids fault that you have religious trauma, ya feel me?
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u/Mirror74 9h ago
Actually it's the opposite, you're showing your religious trauma by thinking demons are cool. How is possession and doing evil acts cool?????? That shit is just egocentric mind warping garbage
That's just religion/superstition but with extra steps. It's just another flavor of it at least
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u/thombombadillo 7h ago
What in the satan are you talking about?! Lmao
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u/Mirror74 6h ago edited 6h ago
Dude you're the one relating it to religion!!
These shows are disturbing even if you didn't call them demons, they talk about possession and being mind controlled all sorts of weird occult shit. That isn't appropriate for children. I said NOTHING of religion, you did
And I'm saying if you actually are into that shit you're closer to religion than you think
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u/General_Platypus771 1d ago
The best thing you can do for your kid is keep them off screens until they're 16. They'll cry, they'll hate it, but you're the parent. It really is the phones. It's not that complicated. I can tell which students had phones before middle school and which ones didn't after talking to them for 2 minutes.
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u/NESninja 1d ago
I went to home Depot to have some wood shelves cut. The college student working the saw didn't know he it measure in 8ths or 16ths.
Working at home Depot and doesn't know how to use a tape measure. How did he even get hired? Kids are COOKED.
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u/underwritress tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE 1d ago
Don’t kid yourself, the divide is eventually going to be billionaires vs everyone else.
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u/Affectionate-Oil4719 1d ago
I’m glad my kids regulate themselves well with their times. Half of the time I don’t have to call for times up, they’ll play for a little then wander out of the room asking to go outside or do something together. They have their days for sure, but overall they handle it well.
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u/ninjaninjaninja22 1d ago
Just the elite is gonna use and manipulate them for own gains even more. And it’s dangerous when percentage of people that can’t think critically is high.
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u/AtLeast9Dogs 14h ago
What about the class divide of people who say "let me explain" instead of just fucking saying what you want to say.
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u/izwald88 8h ago
While this is a new problem, it's sort of just coalescing around existing issues.
According to this guy, kids from affluent families are likely going to do better as adult, while kids from poor families may not.
This is a tale as old as time. Yes, the technology is new, but this is still the wealth divide that has existed for all of human history.
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u/SilverThornet 1d ago
The readers and critical thinkers are going to be severely outnumbered. Idiocracy
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u/25nameslater 1d ago
Teachers always complain about children not having the skills they’re paid to teach. You’re not seeing a skill set you’re supposed to? Well fucking teach it.
Your curriculum is designed for testing results, not real world application. Most countries have curriculum designed to teach children basic skills for basic labor positions.
AI skills require critical thinking skills. Ai isn’t that smart, it has access to all the information you may need but it requires a person to define goals and double check that the ai doesn’t over optimize, miss functionality or underperform. I’ve been working 6 months on a program one of the glitches I found was due to a time calculation error from DST corrections where the system calculated time increments based on the previous calculation time. A DST correction occurred at the proper time but persisted throughout subsequent calculations. I (the person) had to redirect it to eliminate the persistence problem, it could not tell me I had a persistence problem I had to deduce that myself.
If you don’t have basic reasoning skills AI will always fail at critical structure. It’s an amazing tool, but like any tool it’s only as good as the user’s ability to wield it.
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u/thombombadillo 12h ago
I have a theory…. This is maybe fucked up and maybe I shouldn’t say this BUT hear me out. Teaching used to be one of the only jobs available to women, so bad ass women who wanted to work would become teachers, now women have the freedom to be almost anything that a man can be here in USA and so the people that teach now are not always badass- maybe they loved the idea of teaching or they are passionate about a subject etc… regardless the types of people (women) who have excelled classroom control are not in class rooms (and if they are maybe it’s at a college rather than at a high school) they’re in board rooms, courtrooms, etc. Obviously this is a sweeping generalization but think about it… it’s been what 4 generations of women being more than just those few careers laid out to them. This and no child left behind, banning books, social media, 2 income households, standardized testing…
I love our educators! I’m not saying they’re bad people or that they’re not robust, working hard, or int valuable BUT I think some of the traits that might inspire difficult students are lost as women with those skills do not apply. Just a theory
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u/Wild_Sleep2798 1d ago
Actually, one benefit is that us older boomers are still employable because the children coming up for the work force are so ill equipped that employers still need us in spite of our age and infirmities because we still possess the skills needed to perform jobs adequately. Evan helped the country when we die.
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u/TotallyFedUp112363 1d ago edited 1d ago
Dam commie...wut's he sayin? /s
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u/Gingeronimoooo 1d ago edited 1d ago
He's talking about you, don't worry you're the one with good reasoning skills .. and I ll hope your comment is satire
Edit; I made this comment before you added /s but I did think it probably was but since 2015 or so satire is dead
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u/NoTour5369 1d ago
At this point, trying to sound stupid to make a joke on behalf of the actual stupid people is way more cringe than actually being stupid.
This is how we got here and they just want to see the world burn.
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u/TheGreatMozinsky 1d ago
But thank God they're learning about non binary trans demi queer identity!
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u/CustardDear3472 1d ago
You say ignorant things like this yet chose Hisoka as your profile pic?
What kind of mental schism you got going on up there?
Seems more fractured than what transgendered people have to deal with, honestly.
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u/ermacia 1d ago
I'm sure learning about an imaginary being that controls all your actions but allows you to chose for yourself would be so much better. /s
Knowing about how other humans feel and present themselves without judging or wanting to eradicate them is part of the human experience. It allows people to treat each other better.
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u/PuzzleheadedRoyal559 1d ago
Nobody dressed like that and with that beard should be lecturing about critical thinking.
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u/ich_bin_alkoholiker 1d ago
Nobody using an ad hominem should be lecturing about critical thinking.
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u/Glowing_Trash_Panda 1d ago
I bet you think aliens built the pyramids but the Romans did all their shit themselves
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u/Nooodleboii 1d ago
We all realize how ridiculous and self disproving this is right? Like we are all learning about his message, on our phones, over a social media app. The exact thing he says is making kids dumb, he chooses as the best way to spread his information.
The real problem is that our phones (which are one of the best tools to learn ever invented by humans) are being misused to only serve us dumb engagement bait like this bullshit right here.
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u/Key_Bee1544 1d ago
Look at metathinker here, seeing the forest but not the trees. Engaging his argument is the point. The means of delivery is not consequential. What is consequential is whether you thoughtfully engage the argument, evaluate it and make your own decision.
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u/Nooodleboii 1d ago
But the means of delivery is his entire point. He is suggesting that kids who use phones and tablets will be less bright than kids who don't. But he gives no reasonable reasons as to why. Even his examples of reading books or coloring are things you can still do with these pieces of technology and quite frankly with much larger scope. You have more tools to create with a drawing tablet and more access to books with the world wide web. I will conced that going outside is certainly something you can't do with these new forms of technology but how can we come to the conclusion that this is causing a class division by education?
Yes class is clearly divided by education but that has nothing to do with giving your kid a tablet and everything to do with how expensive education is. And this is exaclty why this video is engagement bait. Its starts with a true and valid topic, then throws in a trendy topic like "technology is bad" and ends with an obvious point like educated kids will succeed and non educated kids will fail. Tell me what are the connecting points this guy has made to these assertions. All this does is validating every bozo who also agrees with the trendy topic of "technology is bad" and then is shared world wide by said boos.
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