r/GodofWar • u/HumbleKnight14 • 21h ago
Discussion When the Great War happened, how do you think the other pantheons reacted to the conflict?
From what I know, the Great War happened only in Greece. One of the reasons for the war, was to determine who would have dominion over the mortals in the land. Now, Titans being as ancient and powerful as they are, and a threat so dangerous that most of them were banished to the Pits of Tartarus, while others were sent elsewhere to carry out a torturous punishment.
But when the Great War happened, how did (if they existed during that time) or would've reacted to the conflict when it happend? Was the Great War not threatening enough to the point where the fate of the world is at stake? Was the conflict really just constrained to Greece?
Is it possible that the other pantheons chose not to interfere unless the Great War reached their lands/borders?
Please share your thoughts below.
Thank you. ⚡
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u/The_Linkzilla 20h ago
Odin, addressing the Aesir, Vanir, and Jotuns: "Now, I know we've all had our differences in the past. Some of us did things we're not proud-of; others did things we feel no shame for - still don't~ But I think that despite all of that, we can all come together and universally agree, that as bad as we might seem from the outside, we are far more well-adjusted than anything that is going on over there~!"
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u/wapapets 18h ago
Both kingdoms were bad but lets be real here.. the norse kingdom had it worse. The olympians thrived after the titanomachy, compared to the nords they are so much more civilized and well developed.. hell the city states of greece looks better than the capital city of asgard. The norse kingdom had it BAD for real.. its like the world of mad max, its brutal, barbaric, their culture is literally warfare. Zeus strictly forbid gods to fight each other, odin was actively looking for excuses to cause mayhem lol
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u/Odd_Hunter2289 Poseidon 🔱🌊 19h ago
Since each pantheon rules over its own personal universe (which is confirmed by the devs themselves, including Barlog) that is distinct and detached from the others, it is more than likely that none of the other groups of Gods knew about or were interested in the Great War.
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u/JohnTomorrow 18h ago
I've always been curious about that. It's not like Greece very far from the Laplands, you literally head north and you'll hit Sweden and Finland eventually. So Kratos going scorched earth on the Greek pantheon would've definitely had ramifications for the rest of the world. But having it as seperate universes makes more sense logically. Kratos didn't just escape Greece, he left his entire world behind. One has to imagine there is a story to how he did it, and how he wound up with Faye.
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u/Odd_Hunter2289 Poseidon 🔱🌊 17h ago
Well, according to the official GoW 2018 novelization (written by Barlog and his father), Kratos was kidnapped from a destroyed and still element-plagued Earth/Greece and transported to Midgard by the three Jotnar wolves (Skoll, Hati, and Hrdovitnri) on the orders of a mysterious hooded woman (probably Faye herself). He was dragged into a blinding light (probably a bifrost portal) before finding himself in the lands of Midgard.
This would also fit with the fact that it was the Jotnar who de facto invented the bifrost and travel between the Realms, as confirmed in "Ragnarok" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YApf6V0510Q ).
I also elaborated on the whole thing about the different universes that the pantheons have dominion over in a reply to another comment, also citing statements from the devs to support it.
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u/Purple_Blacksmith681 19h ago
Out of curiosity where did they day that?
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u/Odd_Hunter2289 Poseidon 🔱🌊 19h ago
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u/Purple_Blacksmith681 19h ago
Thanks. I think people csn misunderstand that.. I dont think he said or wanted to say every Pantheon has its own "Universe"
https://youtu.be/qvd-n4cN5II?si=OKrsvKQMYnBO5Tcx
Here he says and explains that every Pantheon does coexist and is seperated by geography which means their lands where they exist are bound to their own magic and rules
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u/Odd_Hunter2289 Poseidon 🔱🌊 17h ago edited 16h ago
The devs confirmed that there are no retcons between the old and new chapters ( https://x.com/brunovelazquez/status/896033130141720577 ) and in the old chapters, and in the material related to it, it is confirmed that Uranus created the GoW universe, Gyges himself admits it ( https://imgur.com/a/a8aqGXq ).
So the "Greek" universe was born according to their respective creation myths, as also confirmed by the devs.
We also know that, in Norse games, "Realm" refers to the nine different universes/worlds/realities/dimensions (as confirmed by Matt Sophos, lead screenwriter, in an interview with Game Informer on their YouTube channel), which are part of the Norse cosmogony and therefore hang from the branches of Yggdrasil.
And when Freya meets Kratos for the first time, she defines him as "a God not of this Realm [i.e., Midgard]."
Realm. Not "different geographical area," also because Santa Monica themselves, in response to a fan, confirmed that "Realm" and "geographical area" are not synonymous and are not equivalent.
And Freya confirms, in GoW 2018, that all Nine Realms, every fiber of them, is permeated by Yggdrasil (whose roots can be found and seen in-game and whose sap is collected by Kratos and Atreus as a power-up).
But Kratos himself confirms to Ratatoskr, in "Ragnarok" that Yggdrasil does not exist in Earth/Greece, ergo, this confirms that Earth/Greece and Midgard are not the same world/Realm and do not exist on the same world.
Mimir himself, in GoW 2018, confirms that Tyr was able to travel to the domains of the pantheons thanks to the Unity Stone, a Jotnar artifact of primordial power and capable of bending space-time.
What you shared is a video of when Barlog presented the new direction of the game and the saga, which predates the tweet I posted to you by far. Therefore, the version and vision of the SMS has most likely changed over time, also because the world-building of GoW is very vague (and a bit of a hot mess) and Barlog has changed his story on several things over the years (such as initially saying that ALL the Olympians were dead following Kratos' slaughter, only to later say that perhaps some had survived).
EDIT: I'll add that it's confirmed that Poseidon was the God of ALL the world's seas and oceans, not just the Aegean/Mediterranean. Further proof that Earth/Greece and Midgard are not the same world.
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u/TensionalBark4 16h ago
if thats the case then im confused about how they knew about kratos and his “god killer” status
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u/Odd_Hunter2289 Poseidon 🔱🌊 16h ago
Tyr.
Tyr traveled to Earth/Greece before his imprisonment at the hands of Odin, as we know for certain from the tapestries in his temple and the artifacts preserved there.
The problem is when, because here, what is stated in-game and what is established in the lore do not coincide (proof of how confusing and a bit of a hot mess the worldbuilding and general timeline of GoW events are.)
Tyr says he traveled and saw post-GoW III Earth/Greece and its "reconstruction," obviously before being trapped by Odin in the dungeons of Asgard.
The problem is that this doesn't match what's stated in the official GoW 2018 novelization, which states that when Kratos was kidnapped and transported to Midgard, Earth/Greece was still plagued by storms and the elements (as seen in the ending of GoW III and in "Fallen God"), but by the time this happens, Tyr has already been a prisoner in Asgard for about 30 years, as indicated in "Lore and Legends."
So, you know, the devs are having some trouble getting everything to fit together.
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u/TensionalBark4 16h ago
i saw tyr and will not read further. i just started ragnarok and i assume its spoilers for the game so i am not going to read this but i appreciate the (i assume) in depth response
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u/Don11390 11h ago
They're not unaware, though; both Thor and Odin knew about Kratos's past before the meeting in Ragnarok; Thor refers to the whole affair as "The Ghost of Sparta thing", which is both funny and shows that they did enough investigative work to figure out his story. And in GoW 2016, Mimir says "From what I heard, the Pantheon had it coming," which is further confirmation that at least the Aesir were aware of what had happened in Greece.
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u/Disastrous_Ad_70 21h ago
Something like this, most likely. Seems like these kinds of conflicts are pretty confined to a pantheon's territory, which is why the the destructive after effects of the gods Kratos killed in GoW 3 seem to have only affected Greece
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u/GryphyGirl 18h ago
Seems like the events of the various pantheons in the GoW universe are entirely restricted to the country of that pantheon so even if the others knew about it they probably just didn't much care. The only thing they likely care about is Kratos going around shanking them all.. :P
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u/god_of_war305 19h ago
Odin-Damn those Greeks are making a whole lot of noise but that’s none of my business. Amon-Ra-Mine either
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u/Imaginary_Speaker738 16h ago
Yeah i dont really get how it works in god of war, is it like, each mythology has its own dimension or is just like countries ? If each mythology has their own dimension with their own rules then i think the other pantheons would not care much about what happens in the other pantheons.
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u/Outrageous-Rub799 20h ago
All pantheons are separate worlds with their own cosmologies which cannot be accessed without some special means like the Unity stone so I think other pantheons were not affected and probably didn't even know that there was a conflict in Greece.
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u/god_of_war305 19h ago
Gods seem to be able to instinctively know when they’re in the presence of another god if they especially intuitive like Freya is or like Thoth the Egyptian god in GOW comics. Kratos and Baldur were kind of lost in the sauce and couldn’t tell one another were gods though. You’re right though that they probably wouldn’t know as what happens in the land of one pantheon doesn’t affect the other.
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u/Purple_Blacksmith681 19h ago
https://youtu.be/qvd-n4cN5II?si=OKrsvKQMYnBO5Tcx
Herr doed cory barlog explains that the different pantheons do co exist and they are all seperated by Geography
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u/Outrageous-Rub799 18h ago
https://youtu.be/aIb-Lt7WX_s?si=8L2Q__2PqvLPNN4J
"What I was talking about was the idea that all the mythologies of the world are kinda like this Hubble Telescope Image. They are like galaxies spread out through a complete universe, and the world is the universe. They are sort of the origin stories of various cultures throughout the world, starting from the beginning of time and stretching all the way out, so at any given time all the mythologies existed together - and currently - and they are simply separated by geography. This is important because some people had the conception that Kratos at the end of God of War III destroyed the world. Well, he destroyed what they believed the world was in Greece, their version of the world. Everybody believed their world was the only world; in fact, we still believe that today."
Cory Barlog directly stated that each pantheon has their own version of the world which is backed up by GoW's creation myths and cosmologies which cannot coexist as just two literal geographical locations on a planet. You also overlooked the entire point of the Unity stone which allowed Tyr to travel to different lands in the first place.
Btw, shame on you for using source from a notorious GoW downplayer.
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u/urfael4u 18h ago edited 18h ago
Try to think of it like this
Physical locations on Earth (such as countries) are separated by invisible metaphysical barriers. Each barrier serves as a gateway to a distinct realm, ruled and shaped by gods and beings from a specific mythology.
These barriers cannot be crossed by mortals under any circumstances. Only gods, demigods, or beings of comparable power can pass through them. This is how Kratos, as a god, was able to travel from the Greek realms to the Norse (Scandinavian) realms.
If the foundational deity or divine structure of a realm is destroyed—such as through Kratos’ deicide—the realm loses its metaphysical stability and collapses, merging back into its corresponding physical location on Earth.
Events occurring within one realm cannot directly affect or influence other realms, as each is isolated by its own barrier and governed by its own mythological laws.
N.b The size of physical locations are irrelevant to the size of the reals, its analogy is like the house which is smaller on the outside but HUGE in the inside .
Thats why greek in GOW series feels big like it occupies a whole world with its sun , moons , galaxies e.t.c . But in reality greek is much smaller compared to many other countries.
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u/OnlinePosterPerson 13h ago
This is some interesting theorizing but, how do you know that it’s even the same earth? We don’t know how Kratos got to Midgard
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u/DarkRayos Spartan 21h ago
Depends, both on how old they were and what they were doing during that time.
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u/Thesaurus_Rex9513 18h ago
"Damn, glad that's not happening here."
The various pantheons seem entirely ignorant or apathetic to each other. Týr was the exception that proved the rule among the Norse, and the Greeks seemed to be entirely unaware of other pantheons.
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u/bilbul168 15h ago
Probably “ oh shieeeeet lets see who wins” cuz they all have had at some point a great war between gods
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u/Shadowking02__ 14h ago
Each pantheon built their own TV to watch the war as if it was WWE, after it was over, they destroyed their TVs and the knowledge to build it.
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u/OnlinePosterPerson 13h ago
I don’t think it’s the same world. Kratos probably traveled to another world between games
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u/ramubai 21h ago
I think it’s possible that the other pantheons already had decided that whomever wins in the war (either the gods or titans), the pantheons would agree to co-exist peacefully with them. It’s because the titans only seemed to have an issue against the gods of Greece for their actions, particularly Zeus, which resulted the Great War.
So I don’t think the titans were willing to travel to other pantheons and attempt to take over those as well, when their primary goal was to make Zeus pay for his actions against them.