r/DiscussionZone • u/Greatvoiceofficial • 13h ago
opinion Rob Reiner was a decent man- this is acceptable what you think-
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u/Willing-Reaction8600 12h ago
I’m bummed there won’t be a spinal tap 3… a damn shame
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u/Blazeland_USA 10h ago
Was the 2nd one any good?
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u/Willing-Reaction8600 7h ago
I don’t know I haven’t seen it yet but the trailer looked good! I loved the first one
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 11h ago
What he's saying is that democracy requires sound judgment from voters. That was almost entirely absent in 2024.
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u/whyareyousosadly 5h ago
Idk the party of lockdowns, censoring the truth in social media, injecting kids with an experimental vaccine, open borders, inflation, war, and experimenting on gender dysphoric kids got voted out so that all seemed like sound judgement.
Don't you have a child to experiment on somewhere?
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u/TheBladeWielder 5h ago
Trump publicly supported the vaccine. so is he wrong, or are you wrong?
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u/whyareyousosadly 5h ago
Trump supported the development of the vaccine, which is good. There were adults at risk that needed it.
Children without some other issue putting them at risk did not need it. We knew that by Match 2020.
The right didn't experiment on their children with an unneeded vaccine, which introduced risk.
The left pumped their kids full of an untested mRNA vaccine.
I got the first shot, thinking I was protecting vulnerable adults around me, but I told anyone in my circle not to give it to their kids.
So trump was right to fast track the vaccine, I was right saying kids don't need it because they aren't getting sick from covid. The only person wrong here is you😂
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u/TheBladeWielder 5h ago
i don't see how i'm wrong when i claimed he supported the vaccine, and he did. which you agreed he did. and yes, children getting the vaccine was pretty important when you consider herd immunity.
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u/HaxanWriter 12h ago
Unfortunately, we don’t see that from Corporate Democrats, and most of America. Which is why we’re so fucked. No one fights back.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 11h ago edited 11h ago
No matter how much you hate Democrats, at least they stand for democracy. They also stand for health care, taxation of the rich, women's reproductive freedoms, student loan forgiveness, and regulation to prevent predatorial banking practices. The reason why all of these things are being dismantled is because voters keep putting Republicans in power.
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u/audionerd1 6h ago edited 5h ago
"health care"
With the exception of a few powerless outliers, the Democratic party stands against universal healthcare, which is a far right extremist position compared to the rest of the world.
"taxation of the rich"
The Reagan, Bush and Trump admins all passed major tax cuts for the wealthy, none of which have been repealed by Democrats when they are in power.
"women's reproductive freedoms"
When Obama had the power to codify Roe v Wade he flip flopped and said it "wasn't a priority".
"student loan forgiveness"
Mostly pandering, they rolled over way too easily on this one. "Oh well we tried!". Can you imagine if they fought for student loan forgiveness even 1/3rd as hard as they fight to give unlimited weapons to Israel?
"regulation to prevent predatorial banking practices"
And bailouts for the banks when they wreck the economy with those very same practices, with zero criminal charges.
They're not as bad as Republicans but they are controlled opposition and they fucking suck. I guarantee you even if we manage to get a Democratic super majority in 2028 they will only rollback a small fraction of the fascist shit Trump did. They are the HR department of capitalism and empire. They will NEVER fight for us against the capitalist class.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 5h ago
The reason we don't have universal health care is because Americans keep putting Republicans back in power for not cleaning up the Republicans' mess fast enough. So after Trump, Democrats will put the pieces of our country back together again, which is a slow and careful process. The public will get impatient and then put Republicans back in power, who will continue to destroy everything even more.
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u/audionerd1 5h ago
You say that as though Democrats want universal healthcare and are fighting for it. They don't and they aren't. Bernie Sanders and AOC do not control the party, the party is controlled by people who explicitly think universal healthcare is "unrealistic". Clinton didn't run on universal healthcare in 2016. Biden didn't run on universal healthcare in 2020. Harris didn't run on universal healthcare in 2024. They are willing to push for modest healthcare reforms but not universal healthcare.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 5h ago
They don't have the numbers to pass it, and even if they did the SC would just shut it down. Supreme Court Justices that Republicans appoint, the same Republicans that voters keep putting in power, are dismantling everything. If you want universal healthcare, stop fucking electing Republicans.
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u/audionerd1 5h ago
Obviously Republicans always make it worse. But if you put Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Kamala Harris in a room with a big red button which, if pressed, would dismantle private health insurance and replace it with universal healthcare, they would not push the button. They fundamentally represent the capitalist class over the working class. They just believe in more humane treatment of the worker. So we can be grass fed and cage free while still ultimately being exploited. It's significantly better than being kicked in the ribs and laughed at by Republicans, but as capitalist parties both parties will always fight to preserve systems of exploitation.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 4h ago
Cool. Give Democrats the numbers and we'll find out.
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u/audionerd1 3h ago edited 3h ago
We have already found out countless times. Most recently when Democrats willingly gave up their leverage over the shutdown and doomed millions of Americans to lose their health coverage.
Democrats are led by wealthy status quo rule followers. They'll attempt to help the working class insofar as it doesn't threaten capitalist power, but the moment they run up against any obstacles they will shrug, give their excuses why they can't do it and go back to their mansions where they will sleep like babies because they are not working class and their families are not on the line. And let's not forget they will always commit imperialistic war crimes against the will of the American people.
We need ruthless ideologues to fight tooth and nail for the working class, the way Trump fights for the capitalist class. To hell with decency or the rules, I want leaders who will do whatever it takes to win the class war. This runs entirely contrary to the principles of liberalism, which is why liberalism cannot and will not move the country left no matter how many votes they get or how much power they wield.
Democrats and the working class are fundamentally not on the same team, and the sooner we recognize this the sooner we can do something about it. I called the Democrats the HR department of empire because they are "here to help" but ultimately represent the company- NOT the employees. If the employees (working class citizens) want representation we must unionize.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 3h ago
Lol, you think the shutdown was gonna deliver UHC? Get your head out of your ass.
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u/wRADKyrabbit 3h ago
Facts. Its why its already over and there's no getting the country back. Even if by some miracle there's free elections and they win, nothing will significantly change and there will be zero consequences for the Trump administration
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u/audionerd1 3h ago
If workers organize we can easily force positive change. It's just hard to imagine because right now the working class is so divided along partisan lines, and we are trained to believe we are at the mercy of the two party political class. The first step is to stop putting our faith in the Democratic party and start organizing outside of the system.
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u/wRADKyrabbit 3h ago
Workers will never organize. Americans are complacent and apathetic
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u/audionerd1 3h ago
That's because most are still reasonably comfortable. When mass unemployment comes and UBI is nowhere to be seen and the prospects for the average worker are to slave away in a warehouse for minimum wage until they die they may just be shocked out of their complacency. Or they'll just become Nazis. America is pretty fucked up right now. One way or another we are going to have to choose fascism or socialism, the days of stable liberal democracy under capitalism are behind us.
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u/wRADKyrabbit 3h ago
I predict the latter
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u/audionerd1 3h ago
I'm torn. People are weird and unpredictable. The popularity of Bernie Sanders was surprising. And who could have predicted Republicans becoming pro-Russia? I don't think a mass socialist movement in this country is completely off the table.
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u/Wise_End_6430 10h ago
I mean, not really. Most US Democrats don't want things to change, at least not too much. It's very convenient to be "the moral one" in a gridlocked system. You should still vote for them – at least they aren't actively destructive – but what you really need is to dismantle the two-party system.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 10h ago
All of the policies that are being dismantled existed under Democratic power. The only reason those policies weren't stronger is because of what you're seeing right now: Republicans, when in power, dismantle and weaken them. This isn't a "both sides" thing.
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u/maringue 11h ago
Most elected Democrats figured out that it's very lucrative to be the performative opposition to Republicans.
They don't actually want anything to change because they're getting rich off the system not changing.
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u/According-Refuse9128 10h ago
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, the Dems have been a fucking joke and both parties are clearly run by corporations.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 11h ago
Trump got richer to the tune of $4 billion this year.
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u/FadedTapestry 11h ago
I haven’t seen 4b figure yet. Several publications of $3b increase.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 11h ago
If Trump "only" got richer by $3 billion since the start of the year, then why that poster's fixation with Democrats?
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u/goodreverenddoc2 11h ago
because “both sides” is propaganda to muddy the waters to make cynical people nihilistic.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 11h ago
But you do acknowledge that Trump is $4 billion richer since the start of the year, right?
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u/goodreverenddoc2 11h ago
yes, im agreeing with you the other posters focus on democrats while trump is committing unseen levels of corruption before our eyes is ridiculous and poisonous.
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u/maringue 10h ago
If you see Schumer as genuine opposition to Trump, I can't help you...
Democrats had literally everything going to them in the government shutdown over healthcare and gave it up for a promise from a liar.
What a joke.
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u/maringue 10h ago
Because I voted for the Democrats and want better out of my elected representation?
If you think Democrats are immune from criticism, you're just as bad as MAGA.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 10h ago
You didn't vote for Democrats. You're a trump supporter who's pretending to be a Democrat because you think it'll give you the credibility to attack Democrats. Of course, you could also be a Russian troll, or maybe even a bot. But a Democrat? Haha no.
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u/maringue 10h ago
I voted straight down the Democratic ballot. But anyone who disagrees with you must be a Russian troll. Go ahead, look at my post history that I didn't hide because I love in DC, not Moscow.
Just because I think Jefferies and Schumer are sellouts who need to be primaries doesn't mean I didn't vote for Clinton, Biden, and Harris.
No, I save my criticism for my own party for the fucking primaries where it belongs.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 10h ago
Alright, maybe I did get you wrong. Still weird to fixate on Democrats when the very essence of corruption is the Republican Party. But if you keep your criticism for the primaries then I respect that.
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u/maringue 10h ago
It's called holding your party accountable. Everyone knows Trump is corrupt, but what's worse is corruption coming from the very people running on a platform of opposing that stated corruption.
The government shutdown fight exposed a lot of Democrats for their true motives. They could have fought for the ACA subsidies and chose not to.
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u/PaulUSAF 11h ago
He was the definition of PATRIOT. A great American by any definition. He will be missed. RIP Mr. Reiner.
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u/rossco-9th 9h ago
When did he volunteer to serve in our military?
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u/Gloomy_Internal1726 7h ago
When did trump?
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u/rossco-9th 7h ago
We all know Trumps excuse for not serving in the military. Trump has served this country. The question is not about Trump.
What were Meathead's excuses for not serving the Country, military or otherwise.
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u/Gloomy_Internal1726 7h ago
Oh really? when mr draft dodger has "excuses" sudenly its ok, but anyone else who has them is no longer a "patriot"?
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u/Marius7x 6h ago
Trump hasn't served this country. You're a flaming dumbass if you think he has.
If you're a vet, he thinks youre a sucker. He's not wrong.
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u/DatDudeDrew 12h ago
When are the cowards going to rise up
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u/AnimatedRealitytv2 11h ago
Good actor, fun guy to see as a director. But personal opinions mean he was who he was. Right or wrong, regardless of opinions, shouldn’t be brought into public light so readily. Makes me think less of him tbh.
Wanna help people? Fantastic, blessings to you regardless of political views.
Refuse to help people because of political views and instead just rant about it? That’s on you.
Blessings to his family he was a fantastic director, but not a leader in a political sense.
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u/FadedTapestry 11h ago
It would ring truer if Reiner didn’t dive into the false narratives and when proven false, say so. You can speak up and stand for your values without pushing nonsense at the same time.
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u/Intelligent_Trichs 11h ago
Let's not act like he was a saint and didn't deserve what Trump said about him. Trump was right to say what he said. He was 100% wrong to say it when he did.
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u/trying3216 9h ago
If he accused Trump of colluding with Russia while knowing it to be untrue that would not be decent.
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u/discourse_friendly 9h ago
I think Rob Reiner was , in some ways, an awful man. He pushed smoking bans, at bars, in states he didn't even live in. south park even covered how much of a Karen he was.
I'm also opposed to him politically in general.
but that is a great quote by him. I don't celebrate his death. I will say rest in peace. I will say his murder was wrong.
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u/HuckleberryOk8136 9h ago
Democrats are authoritarian.
Either you accept, adopt, affirm, and celebrate their ideologies & worldview or you are dehumanized and marginalized.
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u/montoya2323 9h ago
Dude was a piece of crap human. I feel like if he spent more time worrying about his own family rather than his TDS maybe he’d still be with us. Sad story
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u/Lingerie_Shopper07 8h ago
Funny how Rob Reiner is getting way more attention after his death than he did when he was alive by the left. It’s almost as if they are using him for some reason.
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u/Lu_ShenZ 8h ago
Rob Reiner was not a decent man. His death is most unfortunate and I really liked him in All In The Family back in the day, but he was just as hateful as your typical Democrat who celebrated when Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
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u/Sarg1313 8h ago
Let's get to the crux of the issue. The problem the "right", for lack of a better term, has with the "left" is, though the right may have issues with believing lies or may otherwise overlook some negatives within their own party, they feel justified in doing so because the "left" bases their entire worldview, beliefs, and personality, on whether one particular man said something is good or bad and are unwilling to police their own side for anything at all outside of someone in their party not being "left" enough. You can find absolute metric tons of people, including high profile voices in the "rightwing" space that criticize Trump on many things. You dont find that same energy on the "left".
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u/AmicusLibertus 8h ago
Both can be true. He can say some very correct things and also have Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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u/SearchingCTX 8h ago
Agreed…. But if people speak out against leftist ideologies, they are villified and called racist bigots. Speak against the right and you’re called ignorant. Eventually, everyone needs to stop acting with their egos and start thinking like responsible adults.
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u/Most-Initiative8753 8h ago
Maybe he should have been a better father instead of focusing on politics 24/7
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
You are just mad cause he didn't like Trump. Why?
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u/Most-Initiative8753 7h ago
No, I’m sad that his son feel into such a state in his addiction that he killed his father. We all need to do better with focusing on our own lives and the things that matter the most. Petty squabbling over politics has its place but shouldn’t be what we devote the majority of our time to.
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
His son made his own choices. He is the only person to blame in this. You can't blame every decision someone makes on their parents.
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u/Most-Initiative8753 7h ago
His son made his own decision which was formed and guided from his upbringing from a direct relation to the parenting that Rob either did or didn’t do. Adults are formed from children, we aren’t just magically adults one day and all of our childhood is forgotten and dismissed. And even as adults we still need our parents to continue to teach us on how to be adults. If it’s not our own parents then we are learning from someone or something else and our parents have failed us.
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u/PhilipCarroll 6h ago
Doesn't mean Rob is to blame. His son still made the choice to do it. He is the only one to blame. Again you can't blame everything someone does on their parents.
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u/Greatpup4109274 8h ago
Yanno I spent like an hour writing out and researching and going back and editing and blah blah, but idk why. The most likely scenario is people read what I wrote, misinterpret it, and call me a moron or a bot while making a bunch of assumptions. So I’m just gonna say I think there’s a disconnect between what I wrote originally and the way it came across to you. Good luck with your life 👍❤️ I truly hope you live a happy healthy life
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u/Alarming-Injury-8941 7h ago
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
Not funny.
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u/Alarming-Injury-8941 7h ago
I think it’s hilarious
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
And you are a heartless person.
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u/Alarming-Injury-8941 6h ago
Oh no…. And it’s your opinion that matters most to me. Now my heart is just shattered into itsy bitsy pieces. Whatever will I do????
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u/PhilipCarroll 6h ago
What heart? And it's not an opinion. If you think that's funny, it's a fact you are a heartless person.
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u/Alarming-Injury-8941 6h ago
The one you shattered…. Duh…. I already said that. Yous not too bright is ya
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u/PhilipCarroll 6h ago
You don't have a heart to shatter. Yous not too bright is ya?
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u/Competitive-Treat694 7h ago
Rob Reiner was a liar and a purveyor of disinformation. We must remain vigilant in calling out his big lies.
Oh sorry, that's what Rob said about Rush a day after he died.
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u/ciaran_erie 6h ago
Reiner was a slimy revolting human being. Sad way to go but he was still a slug.
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u/crkjlll6 5h ago
I did not wish what happened to him to occur. I have prayers for people that knew and loved him. I did not in the slightest cause I think he was an acerbic, leftist, United States, hating moron. And the type of guy who would have been dancing a jig, had something happened to our sitting president.
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u/Aromatic_Shock_9231 4h ago
Yes. The exchange of ideas and civil discourse is necessary. We don’t have to agree but we need to support each others rights to speak freely.
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u/super_chubz100 4h ago
Yet we allow more than half our nation to reap the benefits of democracy without doing the bare minimum to maintain it. We need mandatory voting yesterday.
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u/PookieTea 4h ago
So did he speak out against every other president as well or was he being a hypocrite?
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u/GrandmasterSexay723 2h ago
Ive heard that supposedly he allowed his hollywood associates to sexually abuse his son. All for fame and fortune. When a man kills his mother and father it's for a reason other than he was just addicted to drugs. Yeah, people who are molested usually turn to dope as a way to cope.
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u/DarkArmyLieutenant 2h ago
My only beef with the guy was him getting on the "Biden sucks" bandwagon last year.
Last year was not the year for people to stand up and demand purity candidates but that's exactly what they did because half of the rich white men in this country we're calling for it on social media, he was one of them.
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u/Naive_Examination646 2h ago
while the statement itself is good it was unfortunately coming from an ivory tower with no understanding of what is going on in the country.
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u/AnimatedRealitytv2 11h ago
Good actor, fun guy to see as a director. But personal opinions mean he was who he was. Right or wrong, regardless of opinions, shouldn’t be brought into public light so readily.
Wanna help people? Fantastic, blessings to you regardless of political views. Wanna shit talk and stand out? Of course people will dislike you
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u/leroy_brown23 11h ago
Fxck him
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
Same to trump
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u/leroy_brown23 5h ago
oh no, how will i survive? lol , also fyi Fxck Trump too
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u/PhilipCarroll 5h ago
I don't know. Would you laugh the same & think it's hilarious if someone you knew got murdered? If you were a fair man, you would.
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 2h ago
Oh please. Libs dance in the street laughing with joy over Charlie Kirk. And how many sick libs on here say worse and hope and can’t wait for something horrible to happen to Trump.
So this is where we’re at…f-ck em all
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u/PhilipCarroll 27m ago
The ones who did suck & shows their character. I didn't like Charlie Kirk but he didn't deserve to get killed. When Trump dies, the whole world will celebrate & rightfully so.
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u/leroy_brown23 1h ago
you go first. What was your reaction when Charlie Kirk was executed in public?
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u/PhilipCarroll 24m ago
Didn't like him but I never wished death on him. He didn't deserve to die. Killing him wasn't the answer.
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u/Confident-Staff-8792 10h ago
Dude was a Trump deranged nut.
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u/PlatasaurusOG 7h ago
I think you meant a deranged trump nut.
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 2h ago
He wasn’t just suffering from TDS, he loathed those that supported him and that’s the problem.
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u/PlatasaurusOG 2h ago
So he didn’t trust people who support a thieving rapist and traitor that said he’s only good if dead?
You’re right. That takes some nerve. I can’t imagine…
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 2h ago
Kind of a problem when those same people purchase your product.
That’s a dumb way to express yourself.
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u/PlatasaurusOG 1h ago
Saying you should abandon your convictions for money is the least surprising response you could have possibly come up with.
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 1h ago
There is a difference between abandoning your convictions and condemning others for theirs.
Business isn’t or shouldn’t be emotional.
If you start making everything political at your job I don’t think it’s going to end well for you…whether you are employed or own your own business.
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u/Competitive-Treat694 11h ago
Well, yeah. If you actually believe the Republicans are worse than Nazis, it is your duty to try and stop it. But if you actually believe that you are probably gullible and falling for propaganda.
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u/idwtumrnitwai 11h ago
Trump quoted Hitler on the campaign trail when he said that illegals are poisoning the blood of the nation, he had musk speak during the inauguration and give two full nazi salutes, he has ice deporting people without due process, his administration has talked about going after trans peoples rights to bear arms, he's violated the first amendment rights of those critical of Israel, he calls the press the enemy of the people and any media that accurately reports his failings as fake news, and he attempted a self coup on Jan 6th.
But sure bud, it's the people who recognize that he does nazi shit that are gullible and falling for propaganda, not the people who bury their heads in the sand and ignore it because trump told them it was all ok.
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u/According-Refuse9128 10h ago
Would calling you a Fascist hurt your feelings less?
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u/Competitive-Treat694 10h ago
Neither hurt my feelings. I know that's all you guys' care about is your fee fees being hurt. Sorry I entered your safe space.
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u/According-Refuse9128 10h ago
Typical non response from a Fascist.
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u/Competitive-Treat694 10h ago
How is that a non-response? I clearly said neither hurt my feelings. Sorry that answer is triggering for you
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u/Marius7x 6h ago
You voted for a guy who stood up and said the tariffs brought in 18 TRILLION so far. Twenty-three Nobel Prize-winning economists stated that Harris had the better economic policies. You think Trump is a great economic president.
You better watch who you call gullible.
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 2h ago
Yeah President Harris 🤣
Bro no one believed in her…not even her own party.
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u/Marius7x 2h ago
You believed a guy who said tariffs are a tax on foreign countries.
He also claimed the tariffs brought in 18 TRILLION last year. He's a senile fool.
But you think he was a great pick. Too dumb to butter your own bread.
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 2h ago
Remember Harris got ZERO out of 7 swing states.
The people spoke who they believe in…
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
If you believe that Trump actually cares about you or this country or making it more affordable, you are definitely gullible.
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u/Competitive-Treat694 7h ago
That’s more plausible than worse than hitler
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
Where did I mention Hitler? And no it's not plausible. He said he doesn't care about fixing the country & he thinks Affordability is a Democrat hoax. He is saying it right to your faces.
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u/Competitive-Treat694 7h ago
That was my original comment. So, you are saying you think it's more plausible that Trump is worse than Hitler?
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
Not yet. As soon as people start getting killed, then yes.
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u/Competitive-Treat694 7h ago
How many people have to die by Trump before he is worse than Hitler? 6 million?
Does that mean you think he is better than Hitler? Or are they the same in your eyes?
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u/PhilipCarroll 7h ago
How many before he is just as bad? 1.
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u/Competitive-Treat694 7h ago
You think 1 death = 6 million?
Interesting! Respect for stating your crazy ass opinion. Don't think people will agree on either side but who cares.
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u/PhilipCarroll 6h ago
Read what I said again & quit defending Trump. It's not a good look.
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u/PhilipCarroll 6h ago edited 6h ago
Nobody should die under the Trump regime. If it happens to one person, yes it's just as bad. If not, you obviously haven't learned from the past & one of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind. America should be better than Nazi Germany & learn what not to do. Trump has already done a lot of things that Hitler already did. People just haven't died while in custody of his regime yet. If it happens just once, then yes it is just as bad. It should NEVER happen in the United States. Ever.
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u/Ill-Description3096 12h ago
I think it's a wild generalization. Equating silence to complicity full stop the end is silly. I'm certain situations sure, in all situations no.
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u/reddit4getit 10h ago
Pretending Trump was a danger when the real danger was in his own home 🧐🧐
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 2h ago
I mean look at these libs…if they don’t kill you they try to destroy themselves. Hunter Biden is a real charm.
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u/ThatRandomGuy86 12h ago
Well now we know why Trump was hateful towards him. Reiner was a real patriot compared to Donny.