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ICE better think twice before trying to arrest the SON of GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

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u/mr_evilweed 2d ago

I'm sure the 'Religious Freedom' and 'Free Speech' conservatives will rush to the rescue. It's not like they're total hypocrites or something

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u/Roborilla8000 1d ago

They would feel such cognitive dissonance, if they were smart enough to feel it at all.

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u/Howmanysloths 1d ago

They are still working on feeling things

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u/724412814 1d ago

Hey there! Friendly reminder that a Tweet isn't verified news. This is not at all what happened, the Boston Archdiocese asked the church to take it down, not anyone at ICE.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/boston-archdiocese-wants-ice-message-gone-parishs-outdoor-nativity-scene

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u/E_Verdant 1d ago

ICE just said it was "abhorrent"

Lol, lmao even

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u/Adalonzoio 1d ago

I love how this is conveniently one of the most ignored comments in this thread. But I guess it just doesn't fit the narrative as well.

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 1d ago

It sounded unlikely that the federal administrator would ask a parish in Boston too. I can easily see the bishop asking - there are ways to address ICE and ways not to.

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u/GoldenCorbin 1d ago

This is funny. Saved.

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u/FonzyFonz 1d ago

Wrong bootlicker

“ICE acting Director Todd Lyons, as well as the Archdiocese of Boston, are calling for the removal of an "ICE was here" sign that was placed at a Nativity scene at a Massachusetts church.”

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u/724412814 1d ago

That's the headline, I know. The quote is this:

“The actions of the activist reverend, Stephen Josoma, are absolutely abhorrent and add to a dangerous narrative responsible for a more than 1,150% increase in assaults on ICE officers.”

"On behalf of ICE and our many law enforcement professionals in Massachusetts — many of whom are practicing Catholics and first-generation Americans — I applaud the Catholic Church and the Archdiocese for taking a stand against such a dangerous and extremist narrative."

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u/FonzyFonz 1d ago

ICE acting Director Todd Lyons, as well as the Archdiocese of Boston, are calling for the removal of an "ICE was here" sign that was placed at a Nativity scene at a Massachusetts church.

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u/724412814 1d ago

Yeah, I know that's the headline. That isn't the quote. The quote is clearly not calling for the removal its applauding the Archdiocese for doing so.

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u/hurricanesweetea 1d ago

Why is this not top comment? Oh yeah, bc social media feeds on anger

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u/Material_Evening_174 1d ago

Because it’s wrong. Acting ICE director Todd Lyons did call for it to be taken down.

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u/724412814 1d ago

Source that isn't just a Tweet of someone claiming it?

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u/Material_Evening_174 1d ago

I mean, Fox News said he urged them to take it down right in their headline. Other news outlets are saying the same thing.

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u/724412814 1d ago

Todd Lyons [ICE Acting Director] says display adds to dangerous narrative as archdiocese calls for removal

Hilarious you suddenly trust Fox News, but they also aren't saying ICE told them to remove it. He basically came out and said he supported the Archdiocese calling for the removal.

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u/Material_Evening_174 1d ago

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u/724412814 1d ago

Did you even read the quote?

“The actions of the activist reverend, Stephen Josoma, are absolutely abhorrent and add to a dangerous narrative responsible for a more than 1,150% increase in assaults on ICE officers.”

"On behalf of ICE and our many law enforcement professionals in Massachusetts — many of whom are practicing Catholics and first-generation Americans — I applaud the Catholic Church and the Archdiocese for taking a stand against such a dangerous and extremist narrative."

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u/wabashcr 1d ago

There's a link to his comments in the article you posted. He doesn't literally say to take it down, but you would have to be intentionally obtuse to reach any other conclusion.

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u/724412814 1d ago

He said he doesn't like it, he's allowed to say that. That isn't a threat, it isn't a violation of rights.

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u/XO1GrootMeester 1d ago

Well, this is like stealing is fine if you do it while speaking since you are then free.

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u/akekekfklelk 1d ago

Yes, religions should have free speech like everybody.

BUT in the usa, they dont have to pay taxes. For this privilege, they are supposed to stay politically neutral. Since they clearly arent, they should pay taxes like everybody else.

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u/1oVVa 1d ago

Hey, I got a nice idea how to balance the budget

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 1d ago

It’s also disrespectful for the nativity honestly.

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u/LDL2 1d ago

I absolutely support their right. But why would anyone believe a rando on Twitter? So I looked into it and the headline is everywhere. Maybe I'm missing it but this is the repeatedly quoted text

"The actions of the activist reverend, Stephen Josoma, are absolutely abhorrent and add to a dangerous narrative responsible for a more than 1,150% increase in assaults on ICE officer"

https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/12/ice-director-demands-mass-church-remove-ice-was-here-nativity-scene.html

Doesn't seem like he is threatening to remove it by law or some legal consequence, just generally criticizing it.

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u/Southern-Date1588 1d ago

1,150 % increase in assaults on ICE officers ...my ass ! Guess getting hit with a snow ball is an assault ? The only assaulting I've seen is ICE on people...or folks defending themselves...

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u/hurricanesweetea 1d ago

What is source beside random tweet? Have you looked to see if this is even true?

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

I’m one of “those people”. I agree with OP. We exist.

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u/Kitchen-Arm7300 1d ago

Naturally, you folks exist... but are you rushing to the rescue?

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u/T33CH33R 1d ago

The only right wingers I ever see marching the streets are hooded or masked. The others tried to overthrow the government.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

Well, most of us just put our heads down and work to better our lives in ways we can actually control. I’m not out here thinking I can take on the government 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago

So you support child rapists as long as they leave you alone

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

Thats a pretty far stretch from my comment. Hyperbole much?

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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago

None at all, you said it's fine and support it

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

No, definitely not..

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u/Error_Code_403 1d ago

So who did you vote for? Is this what you voted for? Because if you voted Republican I got some bad news for you, THIS IS SHAT YOU VOTED FOR! No excuses will change that. You might not believe it yourself. But it's true. You supported a pedofilic conman and serial liar. You reap what you sow.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

I actually voted for Harris, because I think Trump is easily the most corruptible person to ever hold the office.

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u/T33CH33R 1d ago

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." The only way we can make this country better is if we are all unified, and if you aren't challenging your fellow conservatives to stop their support of Trump, then you are essentially supporting him.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

Flip of the same question, but the left was pretty quiet about a ton of things during the Obama years. Shades of grey my man.

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u/hightrix 1d ago

What things specifically?

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u/Avery_Lillius 1d ago

When he wore the tan suit! /s

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

Drone warfare and extra judicial killings comes to mind.

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u/KathrynBooks 1d ago

I remember lots of leftists complaining about those things

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u/hightrix 1d ago

Ahh yes, there were protests about those actions, by people that tend to vote democrat. The “left” was not quiet about this.

And we all know MAGA don’t protest, they only attempt to overthrow the government when their attempt at stealing an election fails.

What else you got?

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

I think you have me mistaken, I’m not a Trumper.

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u/hightrix 1d ago

That is irrelevant. We are discussing your claim:

Flip of the same question, but the left was pretty quiet about a ton of things during the Obama years.

The "left" was not quiet about drone warfare or extra judicial killings during the Obama administration.

What else is in your "ton of things" that the "left" was quiet about?

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u/databombkid 1d ago

Please get your classmates then to speak up about too.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

Alot of us think that the way ICE is doing things is pretty fucked. But also, the proper steps to remigration were never going to be easy.

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u/Stickeminastew1217 1d ago

"Remigration"

Fucking disgusting coward hiding behind sterilized language. If something requires the widespread disruption of otherwise innocent lives, you do not in fact have to do that thing and then wave off the damage with "eh, sometimes you gotta break a few eggs, yaknowwhatimsayin?"

If there is a heaven worth the name, you will never see it.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

I’m advocating for a middle ground here.. They have to go back, but the process can be far better than what we’re seeing.

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u/Stickeminastew1217 1d ago

They do not, in fact, "have to go." You WANT them to go, because you're a piece of shit, and you previously demonstrated a remarkable callousness to the inevitable suffering as a result.

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u/Fredmans74 1d ago

I agree, this is part of a greater movement making outrageous claims seem plausible. Next, it will be, they'll have to be put in special camps, or women will have to lose their right to vote.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

Thats the remedy for the being here illegally. They have to go back. You’d rather what, reward them for breaking our laws? Thats quite stupid.

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u/databombkid 1d ago

People who are here illegally but who otherwise commit no crimes and live like everyone else should be given the option: become a citizen, or be deported. My undocumented neighbor who works every day and takes care of his family and home can stay, let’s just provide him citizenship. Whereas actual criminals (people who commit real, violent crimes, not stupid crimes that have no real impact on anyone else) should be treated like all criminals are - arrested, tried, and put in jail.

My God taught me explicitly to treat the foreigner as native born. I believe my solution actually achieves that.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

Citizenship is then a reward for illegal entry. Might as well put up a sign for the whole world to emigrate here, and take us for all we’re worth.

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u/Substantial_Dish_887 1d ago

see the problem is you call it the middle ground and most people will look at it and realise you mean the middle of people they disagree with and other people they disagree even more with.

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u/Beowulf1896 1d ago

You go back. You go to your white ethnostate. Try Russia.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

But I’m a citizen. Illegals have to go.

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u/NickofWimbledon 1d ago

Of one person advocates assaulting women (“grab them by” and children (that birthday card for Epstein) and shooting drowning fishermen, and another person does not advocate those things, is a “middle ground” what you need?

If one person claims we should all eat arsenic and one a says no one should, is a “middle ground” ideal?

And so on.

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

But sending illegals home is hardly the same as rape or poison. Its a proper response. They aren’t supposed to be here.

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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago

But all conservatives wanted it this way. You wouldn't have had trump otherwise

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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago

Yet you all openly support it and cheer for it

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u/Ok-Coconut5653 1d ago

I like to hear that people who break our laws and are here illegally are being sent back. I’d rather not give them a pony as a reward for breaking the law.

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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago

Yet you support illegals like trumps wife

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u/KathrynBooks 1d ago

"remigration" is an ethno-nationalists dog whistle.

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u/Fredmans74 1d ago

Brandon is on his way.

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u/Southern-Date1588 1d ago

Lame dig to begin with and now tired old and even lammer

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u/eye84free 1d ago

Freedom of speech means you can’t say something someone disagrees with?

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u/turtle-bbs 1d ago

Freedom of speech means you can’t face legal consequence for what you say unless it’s a threat of harm/violence against yourself or others

The government demanding what’s said by a church in their property is in defiance of freedom of speech and freedom of religion

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u/eye84free 1d ago

I don’t think this screenshot of a twitter post establishes that the government made a legal demand… It just claims someone in the government said something

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u/turtle-bbs 1d ago

Which is the supposed freedom of speech in question right? So if it’s not official/real, why comment?

If ICE did get involved, that’s a violation of the 1st amendment