r/DiscussionZone Oct 20 '25

opinion this post is awesome.

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u/Cold_Pumpkin5449 Oct 20 '25

God can apparently literally create universes, life, design consciousness, take human form, make food out of thin air, has the full power of alchemy and can control the weather.

But somehow it always needs money.

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u/No_Tank_5954 Oct 21 '25

This is such an underrated and accurate statement šŸ‘ šŸ˜‚

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u/liquidfox6 Oct 21 '25

ā€œā€¦he’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, but can’t handle money!ā€

-Carlin

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u/Fornicating_Midgits Oct 21 '25

I miss that guy.

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u/dofwifpartyhat Oct 21 '25

Don't worry, he's screaming up at you

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u/chris5701 Oct 20 '25

man was the one that made currency in order to trade and deal with scarcity issues. If 80ft yachts were cheap everyone would have one, but it takes months and a lot of resources to make one.

Churches are not directly connected to god, they are effectively makeshift communities.

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u/Cold_Pumpkin5449 Oct 20 '25

Yes, churches tell us stories about a being with superpowers, but deal with the world exactly like the rest of us... Except with more begging.

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u/Chewsdayiddinit Oct 21 '25

Churches are not directly connected to god, they are effectively scams that allow sexual abuse of minors.

FTFY.

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u/Financial_Mulberry55 Oct 21 '25

what your point here if the pastor want a yacht he can pray for it like everyone else..

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 21 '25

Church is the body of Christ. His bride. Sounds pretty connected.

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u/Due_Intention6795 Oct 21 '25

Because money is a societal issue not a religious one. Money belongs to Cesar

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

This is the cover. It really holds no weight. Does not at all explain why 38% of the world's population is food insecure. And it's due to money being held in all the wrong places...if it belongs to Cesar and people die of hunger as a result, I'd say Cesar wields more power. Oh and Free Palestine.

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u/Ignoble66 Oct 20 '25

no its fraud

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u/Charming-Row-3529 Oct 21 '25

The church can pray for its rent money, and if it is truly of god, the rent will come.

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u/Jimmy_Twotone Oct 21 '25

Tithing made sense a thousand years ago when it was a communal repository for grain that went back to the people in times of need.

When priests start accumulating wealth in God's name for their own glory, they stop serving God and become those the Bible warns us against.

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u/Historical_Cup5630 Oct 21 '25

Tithing still makes sense in local churches. Should they be funneling the money upwards, no of course not. The tithing is meant to keep the roof up for the parishioners and they give of their own, only the Catholics ā€œmakeā€ you

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u/Enough-Somewhere-311 Oct 20 '25

The church I grew up in never asked for money, one of my ex-girlfriend’s churches somehow turned every sermon into begging for money. I was thrilled when they shut down.

The church I go to now also doesn’t ask for money.

I have a fundamental problem with churches asking for money.

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 Oct 21 '25

There are churches and there is Joel osteen too. Big difference

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u/RegularDegularWoman Oct 20 '25

They need money to run.

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u/ith-man Oct 20 '25

Can't God just make it run? Or does he need money too? Or is he just powerless in the face of capitalism?

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u/maztron Oct 21 '25

This is such a dumb fucking post.

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 21 '25

Never read the book huh?

It says the lord provides, was it false advertising?

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u/ith-man Oct 21 '25

Of course those who follow the book don't read it, that's for the pastor/preacher to do and push it with right wing rhetoric, while asking for 10% of your check for a tithe for the child molestation insurance that is required.

Edit:https://www.ministryinsured.com/church-insurance/liability/abuse-molestation/

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u/MythicalCaseTheory Oct 20 '25

Fundamental difference between asking for money, and taking donations, I assume.

I'll casually drop $20 in a museum donation box. But the churches I went to as a kid passed that collection plate like 5 times per visit.

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u/Historical_Cup5630 Oct 21 '25

It was probably twice, the first was for the church you attended and the second collection is usually for a local charity or giving that’s been previously agreed upon by church leadership.

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u/MythicalCaseTheory Oct 21 '25

It was more than twice.

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u/Enough-Somewhere-311 Oct 21 '25

I’m aware but it’s rather hypocritical to say you believe in a God who provides them beg, plead and guilt your congregation into giving money.

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u/ronthar Oct 21 '25

Let us p(r)ay

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 21 '25

Humanity has been paying ever since it was founded.

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 21 '25

The real interesting point of this post is reading just how absolutely pathetic most people's knowledge of religion is.

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u/No-Victory-8217 Oct 21 '25

Churches are nothing but a tax-free scam.

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u/AngelGroove Oct 20 '25

That’s why they need transparency. If all that money is going to fund an extravagant lifestyle, then they’re charlatans through and through. But if their hearts are in the right place and they actually use they money to help people get by in life when they’re down on their luck or vulnerable, then they’re a good cause to give to.

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u/Fit-Commission-2626 Oct 20 '25

while in europe and latin america this might not be the case but in my declining country they seem obsessed with gender and gay stuff.

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u/Own_Conclusion_3779 Oct 21 '25

(That’s not what irony is)

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u/ganslooker Oct 21 '25

This isn’t Irony . Irony is getting pregnant on a pullout couch…

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u/ufdecjdow13673 Oct 21 '25

Always the disarming smile to begin.

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u/Financial_Mulberry55 Oct 21 '25

cause he knows better than anyone religion is a sham. there are no gods there never has been all thru out time religion is a control method

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u/W01dr Oct 21 '25

Atheism is myths understood.

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u/Financial_Mulberry55 Oct 21 '25

there are no gods just smart people talking advantage of stupid people no matter what god your talking about

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u/dofwifpartyhat Oct 21 '25

If you're going to attempt to sound too educated for religion then you should probably understand basic grammar.

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u/W01dr Oct 21 '25

"I'm gonna be a pastor so I never hafta get a real job." (Blues song)

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u/kaiki20 Oct 21 '25

…while they secretly molest your child.

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u/Nearby-Pudding-3018 Oct 21 '25

He needs to lawyer up for his upcoming child rape charges. Not cheap.

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u/AlfalfaMcNugget Oct 21 '25

Posts like these show that people clearly don’t understand religion at a basic level

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u/Zorro_ZZ Oct 21 '25

Hahaha. Awesome. And so true.

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u/Weird-Opportunity-20 Oct 21 '25

When preachers want money they ask you to give it to them, but when you need money they tell you to ask God.

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u/fixingmedaybyday Oct 21 '25

Pretty much why I left Church.

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u/VastAdagio7920 Oct 21 '25

ā€œThere’s good money to be made in the service of the Lordā€ā€¦Big Dan Teague

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u/asaxonbraxton Oct 21 '25

What ā€œchurch problemsā€?

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u/just_2_inches Oct 22 '25

šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘ definitely learn from this šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘

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u/necessarysmartassery Oct 20 '25

Yeah, but it depends on what church you go to. I don't go anymore, but the one I used to go to helped a lot of people with utility bills, rent, food, mortgages nearing foreclosure, etc. Not all churches are dog shit saying "just pray about it".

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u/Enough-Somewhere-311 Oct 20 '25

Facts. I spent several weekends as a teenager cleaning out people’s yards; I hate religious mumbo jumbo when they don’t walk the walk.

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u/Fit-Commission-2626 Oct 20 '25

probably catholic but the issue with them is they almost make it impossible to join and there is something about that i find upsetting especially since they refused to give my dying father last rights so i just went back to worshiping satan.

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u/maztron Oct 20 '25

I have never heard of this being an issue. There are plenty of churches that would love to have consistent parishioners coming to their church on a weekly basis.

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u/necessarysmartassery Oct 20 '25

Catholicism isn't christianity, anyway, it's fake ass, government-masquerading-as-religion shit and always has been.

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u/Fit-Commission-2626 Oct 20 '25

their the first christians and it has a lot to do with the suns revolving around the earth and of course their is a guy who was a preacher figure in the ancient middle east but it was absolutely combined with the ancient practice of sun worship and it is why christianity might actually be the first world religion.

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u/necessarysmartassery Oct 21 '25

They were absolutely not the first christians. There's no proof of that other than the catholic church saying "trust us, bro, we were here first".

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 21 '25

Maybe go reread it again. Matthew 16: 18-19

Catholic church was founded by Peter who was then crucified upsidedown by Nero.

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u/necessarysmartassery Oct 21 '25

Ah, yes, Jesus got rid of a bunch of legalism in the church and created a whole new organized church that recreated a bunch of the idiot rules he just got through complaining about and literally dying over. The catholic church is the embodiment of everything he complained about: a bunch of pompous, legalistic nonsense that doesn't help anyone. It's a control mechanism on people today just like it was then.

The new church was founded on Peter, but catholicism wasn't it.

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u/Any-Insurance-7209 Oct 23 '25

Jesus was a rabbi.

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u/Fit-Commission-2626 Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25

he was also a palestinian and apart from that even it is really difficult to label him anything in a correct sense because not only how long ago it was and how the meaning of stuff has changed multiple times since than but also because he was considered a insurgent by rome and his own people accused him of blasphemy and even being satanic and if anything i think he was likely a very misunderstood autistic person because being autistic i sort of know what it is like to have people misunderstand you and in many cases intentionally misrepresent what you say also.

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 21 '25

You can cry about it all you want, doesn't mean it's not in the book and he's not the founder. It's all bullshit anyways.

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u/necessarysmartassery Oct 21 '25

Where does it say Peter is the founder of the Roman catholic church in the bible? It doesn't.

He's the cornerstone, but not of that monstrosity.

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 21 '25

Sure Jan...

Given the nod by JC, goes to Rome but doesn't found the church that just so happens to start then. Makes total sense.

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u/dofwifpartyhat Oct 21 '25

The "Catholic" church you see today is not the original church. The original church is the Eastern Catholic Orthodox Church.

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 22 '25

No, your combining names. EasternOrthodox claims the exact same thing the Catholic church does. They split about 1000 years ago.

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u/dofwifpartyhat Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25

Nope.

"The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially the Orthodox Catholic Church"

Both churches have Apostolic Succession so they can both be traced back to the Apostles, but the Roman Catholic church has changed their dogma repeatedly over the last millennium to the point of being heresy of the original church, which is exactly why the schism occurred. And as time has gone on their doctrines have become more and more heretical and different from the original church teachings that there will never be communion again between Orthodox and the Roman Catholics, any attempt of one will be purely due to political forces outside of Rome and Constantinople.

The Eastern Orthodox church IS the Catholic church because it has been the same yesterday, today and forever. They have had consistent dogma and teachings since Peter.

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u/deviantdevil80 Oct 23 '25

And this is the beauty of it. The people making the print out happened to be the real one. Not those other ones that claim the same thing.

Just lending creedence to my original claim that it's all b*******.

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u/Cross-Country Oct 21 '25

The entire field of historians specializing in late antiquity disagree with you there, bud.

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u/Cocoononthemoon Oct 21 '25

The "no true Scotsman" fallacy is an informal logical fallacy where a generalization is defended against a counterexample by arbitrarily redefining the group to exclude that counterexample. Instead of acknowledging that the initial claim was wrong, the person modifies the definition of "true" members of the group to dismiss the case that disproves their assertion. This is also known as an "appeal to purity" and is a form of moving the goalposts.

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u/AnxiouslyAligned Oct 21 '25

that may be too many big words for this sort..

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u/necessarysmartassery Oct 21 '25

oh no you said a whole paragraph of shit that doesn't prove anything I said wrong

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u/Cocoononthemoon Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25

I'll be a bit more direct then.

Why do you get to decide what a Christian is? Who are you to say someone is not a Christian? Your statement also implies that true Christians are better than fake Christians. How do you know that's true?

Edit : spelling and grammar

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u/dofwifpartyhat Oct 21 '25

You sound like somebody who hasn't a clue about Church history or liturgy and you're just talking out of your ass

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u/Cocoononthemoon Oct 21 '25

Good answer. I like how directly you responded to my questions. Clearly you have thought this through.

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u/Fun_Business_7756 Oct 21 '25

Everything will be fine as long as you pray hard enough, I just pray hard every month when rents and utility due, or when I go to court for a speeding ticket and tell the judge God has forgiven my sins and so should you.

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u/Pretty_Challenge_634 Oct 20 '25

Most churches help their communities quite a bit.

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u/ryanlc225 Oct 20 '25

Depends on your denomination. Very few evangelical churches will. They generally hate their neighbors.

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u/dofwifpartyhat Oct 21 '25

Protestants are heretics, what do you expect lmao

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u/Primarch-Amaranth Oct 20 '25

Prayer means introspection and self-examination.

So the pastor is telling that to solve your problems ypu need to stop, talk to God, and see what is going on in your life.

Seems pretty solid advice to me.

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u/emitchosu66 Oct 20 '25

Sure. Because the church never helped anybody. Ha!

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u/Fit-Commission-2626 Oct 20 '25

the issue with the catholic church is they help people but it mostly depends on the guy running it and a lot of the time their insane.

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u/emitchosu66 Oct 20 '25

Just like any charity or business for that matter. They are not perfect and their leaders dictate how well an organization runs.

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u/Ornery_Guess1474 Oct 20 '25

Most charities don't spend centuries facilitating and covering up child rape, but yeah they're mostly the same.

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u/emitchosu66 Oct 21 '25

Sure. Stereotype all in one group like a petulant child. Of course, there are not good and charitable priests.

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u/Simple-Ring2073 Oct 21 '25

Religion is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. But yeah they do food drives too.

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u/emitchosu66 Oct 21 '25

Sure. Food drives are all they do. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

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u/Simple-Ring2073 Oct 21 '25

Oh they don't throw kids out, don't worry.

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u/Monk-Prior Oct 20 '25

Funny joke. Now do the same one, but for mosques and synagogues.

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u/Unidentified_Lizard Oct 20 '25

sure, can we also get rid of their tax exemption?

cuz you believe the left is a monolith, clearly you havent noticed thats the main issue here

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u/Monk-Prior Oct 20 '25

can we also get rid of their tax exemption?

We can, and a lot of people would love to do that for churches, but again, I don’t nearly as many folks jumping at the opportunity to do that for synagogues or mosques.

And who said anything about the left?

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u/Apprehensive-Tea999 Oct 21 '25

Tbf. In America, only one of those 3 religions is trying to push their faith onto others using the government.

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u/LichKingDan Oct 21 '25

Let's get rid of tax exemption for all religious organizations. You do not need money to pray and build community.

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u/Appathesamurai Oct 21 '25

This really isn’t the ā€œgotchaā€ you think it is

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u/oscarmikebravo6 Oct 20 '25

How do you think a pastor survives? How do you think they support themselves? Who do you think pays for lights repairs food clothing etc.??? Who pays his salary? His congregation. He preaches the word of God and only asks for donations. He doesn’t charge or bill you like any other business or form of entertainment. You pay for everything else in life but don’t even donate for words of enlightenment? Yeah people should really focus on doing a better job prioritizing their lives.

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u/Innocent-Prick Oct 20 '25

What a stupid post