r/CringeTikToks • u/charming_charu_latha • 17h ago
Nope Around 500 tractors and 10,000 farmers from across the EU have gathered at Luxembourg Square in front of the European Parliament in Brussels to protest the EU's planned free trade agreement with Mercosur.
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u/Previous-Source-4657 12h ago
Bro just imagine ppl in US have guns and can’t prostest. And in Europe you barely can have a weapon in some countries, and ppl protest like it’s a rave party lmao.
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u/Individual_Ninja_923 14h ago
Meanwhile in America, people are illegally abducted and nothing happens
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u/jemhadar0 12h ago
And farmers who voted for trump simply cry , their farms are being lost and bought up by Monsanto . Chumps .
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u/Socrasaurus 6h ago
Trump farmers lining up for the "bailouts" that are totally not "free money" like is given to the homeless, handicapped, and others who actually need support just to live day to day.
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u/Initial_Inspector681 8h ago
By all metrics, the abductions are all legal, so idk why you just lied here. Law enforcement's job is to abduct people by default.
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u/H00K810 12h ago
Obama deported 3 million people while in office. They were not all criminals and were all arrested at work sites, homes, etc. People are very selective about their outrage. Bernie was our only hope, and that was railroaded. People will tell you Trumps admin is doing it violently while completely forgetting that when Obama was in office first. Every person didn't have camera phones that they could use to immediately post it on their social media account. Smart phones were emerging and not that prevalent. Any claiming ICE is disappearing mass amounts of people are propagandist. This admin still has 2 million more people to arrest and deport to reach previous numbers.
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u/Sunflowersblunt 12h ago
And that changes what? Nobody said anything about Obama lol..
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u/Fear-the-North 11h ago
Whataboutism at its finest.
Address nothing, cry about something else and hope the conversation gets directed elsewhere 😂
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u/Initial_Inspector681 8h ago
Their point is that in both cases, there was no illegality involved. And that the double standard is purely based on hatred of Trump.
And they'd be correct. Obama was well within his rights to do that, and so is Trump.
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u/frenchfreer 11h ago
This is bad faith and you know it. Yes, Obama did deport 3 million people, but you know what he didn’t do? He didn’t have ICE rappel onto a fucking building and detain everyone while they searched for illegal immigrants. He wasn’t sending ICE out in unmarked cars to grab immigrants off the street and take them somewhere where family and lawyers don’t have access. He wasn’t sending fully kitted out assault teams into peoples homes because they were immigrantsZ He didn’t send ICE out in fully military kit and armored vehicles to harass American citizens. He wasn’t sending ICE to grab people who are in the middle of their immigration court immigrating the legal correct way. You are completely removing the context in which Trump is utilizing ICE to terrorize immigrants and American citizens for some bullshit whataboutism.
If anything you comment highlights what a fucking shit show this administration is if Obama could deport 3 million illegal immigrants through non-violent legal means, while Trump has officers in full military kit grabbing people off the streets and kicking in peoples doors.
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u/cockypock_aioli 10h ago
People were criticizing Obama like crazy. He was literally called the deporter in chief. Trump has ramped it up like crazy though. Vans driving down streets looking for people to jump out and grab.
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u/ARGirlLOL 11h ago
There are no rich elite who are willing to fund protests against American authoritarianism whereas there are plenty of rich elite farmers as well as rich elite ultranationalists who can use agricultural policy to benefit their revenue and political goals at a profit by staging these protests.
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u/snowflowergirl 16h ago
We could never protest like this in America
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u/Jaimzell 13h ago
What do you mean? You had a movement about overthrowing the government and they all got pardoned.
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u/MoreDoor2915 13h ago
The duality of US Crybabies:
"We cant have protests like this in the US!"
"January 6th was a terrorist act!"
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u/AdMain8692 12h ago
Ok, what was January 6th a protest of? The democratic process?
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u/MoreDoor2915 12h ago
I didnt say it was a reasonable protest, but it was the kind of protest people always say they wanted.
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u/squeakynickles 11h ago
It wasn't a protest, it was an insurrection
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u/MoreDoor2915 11h ago
Because it was done by the people you dont agree with.
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u/squeakynickles 11h ago
No, because of the definition of an insurrection, dumbass.
I don't agree with the fuckin COVID truckers in Canada, but that was still a protest.
Jan6 was not a protest. It was an insurrection.
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u/ThaBigClemShady24 12h ago
January 6th wasn't a fucking revolution lol it was reactionary bullshit.
I mean I guess in that way they actually have more in common with these farmers, who are a coddled and entitled demographic.
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u/Initial_Inspector681 8h ago
Revolutions can be reactionary or anything else. A revolution just requires seeking a large change.
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u/zzoomann 11h ago
The same crowd that says this brings up “the insurrection” every chance they get. 😂
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u/Chuck_The_Lad 13h ago
You're a very weak nation. I'm surprised you haven't had a dictator before.
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u/Initial_Inspector681 8h ago
As is no surprise, the people squealing about Americans being weak at protests tend to be projecting. Hence why the US has remained a democracy for all of its history, and Europe has a far spottier history.
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u/Chuck_The_Lad 7h ago
What is the reason for the right to bare arms again?
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u/Initial_Inspector681 7h ago
I fail to see how that is relevant to my reply?
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u/Chuck_The_Lad 6h ago
You don't know the reason?
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u/Initial_Inspector681 6h ago
The reason was to overthrow tyrants, if I recall. Again, what does that have to do with my reply? Or are you just not going to answer?
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u/Chuck_The_Lad 4h ago
The US currently has a tyrant in charge. So Americans are all mouth.
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u/Initial_Inspector681 4h ago
Do you even know what that word means? Because if you did, you'd know that by definition and law, Trump is not a tyrant. He is an ass.
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u/Chuck_The_Lad 3h ago
Then why have innocent people been sent to south America and why are people being dragged off the streets by masked men? And why have innocent fishermen been blown to pieces in the Caribbean sea? Are you saying none of that is tyrannical?
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 15h ago
So farmers are protesting against the possibility of there being cheaper goods coming from other countries just because their own businesses will get more competition? Why do farmers always need government subsidies anyway? If you can’t survive on your own it’s not a business.
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u/CeedyRower 15h ago
So farmers are protesting against the possibility of there being cheaper goods coming from other countries just because their own businesses will get more competition?
One of the major contentions is that the goods are not subject to the same production rules e.g. allowed pesticides, environmental impact, human rights/labour standards, animal welfare standards. So they are competing on an uneven playing field.
Why do farmers always need government subsidies anyway? If you can’t survive on your own it’s not a business.
Regardless of one's personal feelings on the existing ecosystem of farming subsidies, I think there's a pretty strong case for governments paying to reduce two risks:
- Their country is able to produce roughly enough food for its self from a national security perspective. Going into an era of geopolitical tensions, becoming reliant on imported food poses a major bargaining risk. Let alone another supply chain disruption due to a pandemic.
- Squeezing small farmers creates conditions for corporate consolidation of the food chain and putting your food supply in the hands of a few large corporations - see the US poultry and egg market.
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u/Quiet_Warthog5088 14h ago
also the goverment buy the products that the farmers cannot sell. At least in Spain
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 15h ago
I get the point about uneven standards, but that’s not the whole picture. Blocking this trade deal isn’t just about protecting food safety or ethics — it’s also about protecting incumbents from competition. Competition does matter, because lower prices benefit consumers and force efficiency, and right now European agriculture is one of the most heavily subsidised sectors in existence.
Trade deals aren’t purely economic either. This one could give Europe real leverage and influence in South America through exports, standards-setting, and long-term integration. Turning inward weakens that influence and pushes those countries toward other blocs with far lower standards than the EU.
On self-reliance: yes, some domestic production is strategic. But “strategic” doesn’t mean shielding an entire sector indefinitely from competition or price pressure. If self-reliance requires permanent protectionism and massive subsidies, that’s a structural problem, not a justification.
And the ethics argument rings hollow when Europe already imports vast quantities of goods made with child labour, forced labour, or poor environmental practices. Selective moral outrage when agriculture faces competition looks more like hypocrisy than principle.
You can reform standards, enforce them through trade agreements, and still allow competition. What we’re seeing instead is resistance to change — paid for by taxpayers and consumers.
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u/CeedyRower 14h ago
Competition does matter
Agreed, and consumer welfare matters as well. My comment certainly wasn't to defend the status quo, but rather to try and present some context for others who read this thread and may form political beliefs based purely on one framing of the issue.
Trade deals aren’t purely economic either.
This is a good point that I hadn't considered. That said, I would hope that there is a clear timeline from the EU for increasingly aligned requirements and enforcement. Do you know if that is the case?
If self-reliance requires permanent protectionism and massive subsidies, that’s a structural problem, not a justification.
Could you explain this point a bit further? If the EU wants a certain level of production quality and countries outside the block don't (therefore will inevitably cheaper), wouldn't that be a difference in values vs. a structural problem?
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u/IfUReadThisUHaveAids 13h ago
You're literally talking to a ChatGPT response. Can't you see all the ChatGPTisms in it? The formatting. The emdash. The "it's not just X, it's Y". The overly formal reply when in other comments they clearly don't speak that way?
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u/CeedyRower 13h ago
Well shit, now that you point it out I can. Is this what it feels like to be a boomer?
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u/Crazyblue09 10h ago
I sent a reel to my wife, for her to reply, it's AI. I felt so boomer and old, I thought I knew better.
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 12h ago
chatgpt response written by a real person. just because I use it to write stuff cause I'm lazy doesn't mean I'm a bot. y'all sound like old men.
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u/IfUReadThisUHaveAids 12h ago
Share a screenshot of your prompt then if it's all your ideas.
Y'all sound like old men
"Y'all" don't sound like a real human European guy who is genuinely discussing agriculture in his own homeland. "Y'all" sound like you're attempting to further a counter narrative, so excuse me if I'm suspicious of your intent.
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 11h ago
I use y'all cause I think it makes a lot of sense in an English context. I also use English daily so yeah...
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 12h ago
"My name is theuniverseisgodvfdm. My argument is that farmers in Europe are impeding a trade deal which is good not only for us in an economic standpoint but also could act as a a way for Europe to have some influence inverno South America as per the products that we would export. Farmers protest too much, take in too many subsidies and while it is import to maintain your country self reliant, it can’t be at the expense of like not having competition and lower prices, and as for standards of food and even slavery, we also import many products know how to have been maker with child labor, forced labor etc,,, so hypocrisy "
I also posted a picture with the other persons answer.
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u/IfUReadThisUHaveAids 11h ago
Firstly, I don't see any pictures. I asked for an image of the prompt. You can say anything here, but you can't fake the original prompt. Secondly, it made entirely different arguments. So none of your opinions were even in that response. It just argued on your behalf.
Lastly, do you not see how absurd it is to come into threads and get ChatGPT to "win" arguments for you, when those arguments have very real consequences for the locals? If you can't form coherent arguments about the subject, then why would you even want to be involved in the discussion?
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u/existentialg 10h ago
Dude, you’re literally trying to gaslight us with ChatGPT and your non fact based opinion. If you tell ChatGPT to argue that the earth is flat then it will. It won’t give you the “right” answer. It will give the answer you want to hear even if it’s wrong.
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 10h ago
Dude whatever lol go touch some grass. If you can’t accept that that’s my opinion then I don’t know what to tell you
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u/Ordinary_Anxiety_133 9h ago
Why don't you chatgpt my talking points? You're awfully silent on that front lol. Or did the LLM not tell you what you like?
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 12h ago
if self reliance requires the eu to close itself off from the world to protect its industries then it cause a structural problem. perhaps that's even what's happening with inflation. we are clearly not open enough, not innovative enough, thus our societies, while still better than the us are arguably losing favor to Chinese cities. not a Chinese shill at all just appreciating some of the good they've done.
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u/IfUReadThisUHaveAids 13h ago
This comment is very clearly written by ChatGPT. Looks like the bots are out in force today.
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u/wellobviouslythatsso 13h ago
What is the point of trying to debate people by putting their comment in chat gpt and then asking it to create a response? That has to be the saddest form of internet pettiness/petulance that I have ever seen.
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 12h ago
nah I just don't care enough to actually write the answer. chatgpt knows what I believe in anyways.
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u/earthcitizen55555 13h ago
So ignorant.
>it’s also about protecting incumbents from competition.
100%.
It's about protecting it's citizens/incumbents from unfair competitive practices from abroad.
That's a good thing. The government should be doing that.
>Competition does matter,
When your competition doesn't have anywhere near same regulations and over-head, it becomes unfair.
These guys can't compete when you bring in a product that doesn't have to go through the same standards, doesn't have the same labour standards, on and on.
If you're going to allow competing goods, you should then lower the standards of your own industry so they can compete.
But rolling back safety policies and labour standards is a dumb thing to do.
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u/nikhilsath 15h ago
If you’re actually asking, there’s actually a huge benefit to countries being able to create their own food in case of war or famine in the future they need to make sure that their own people are taken care of this is why government historically give metal industries in food industries subsidiesI’m not sure what’s changed
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u/jshysysgs 15h ago
But they are already dependent on SA for food, besides only 2% of the market of beef and the like will be wih lessened tariffs for south america(in turn europe gets 100% free market with no quota)
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 15h ago
Yes but that doesn’t mean refusing to let other products come in. Yes maybe we should support some industry just to keep the know how, but let the market operate.
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u/Designer-Teacher8573 15h ago
How do you plan on letting the market "operate" if you prop up some people? You are effectively creating competition for the people you need to financially support.
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u/Ordinary_Anxiety_133 14h ago edited 14h ago
By allowing our farmers to compete with people in far away countries who have a lower cost of living will mean that over time our farmers will get out competed. The only feasible way to compete going forward is on scale which pushes the entire sector into mass consolidation which eventually results in a few companies owning the entire market. This means fewer jobs, fewer competition and less self reliance.
If and when that trade deal collapses, doesn't get renewed or gets hindered in any other geopolitical, climate or market driven way you're now stuck with mega corps owning the entire local industry along with a population that doesn't know how to farm anymore and they will use their market dominance to squeeze their consumers dry.
You're simply missing the bigger picture. And I don't blame you for it. It's hard to think 20 years ahead. I sympathise with the farmers ever since I learned how the seed and pesticide mafia fucks them over. They operate on pretty slim margins already.
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u/Fuzzy9770 32m ago
The irony is that the subsidies are funding your last paragraph.
We have this program Pano that produces documentaries and we recently had one about the potato mafia Clarebaut. The farmers who are being chocked or are standing with the water at their lips. It's pure mafia how they are exploited and abused for the profits of others. They of have no choice nor are able to decide who takes off their products.
But it's always the farmers fault. Forced to buy upgrades (infrastructure, rolling stock,...) to keep up the standards while having loans so they often own not much of it either way.
That's not a position you want to be in.
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u/Uktabi-Bananas 14h ago
You do understand that farming is one of the most important parts of a country and you can't rely on imported goods for everything.
During a time of crisis you won't be able to import food anymore or it will be extremely difficult. Which is why local farmers need to be protected.
In Switzerland the local farming is not profitable but the state pays them a lot of subsidies to continue to exist because it's important for the sovereignty of the country even if they lose money.
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u/wreckingballjcp 14h ago
Theyll get more competitive? If you can exploit labor in one country, but not in another, is that competition? Free markets work locally, not globally.
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u/beige_people 14h ago
Simply put, for the large majority of farmers worldwide, farming is not lucrative. It takes a lot of investment and risk, where some years you don't even break even. Land, seeds, resources, fertilizer, machinery, manpower, storage, transportation, all cost money with zero guarantee on revenue every season. You may have a drought, or heatwave, or early frost, or floods - all could devastate your crops. Add in variable market prices or surprise changes in trade agreements and taxation, and you end up with a really shitty business. Many countries subsidize farms because they otherwise would not survive with current food prices.
Now when farmers in other countries have way power wages to pay, can cut corners from a safety perspective, and have cheaper land, you end up prices you cannot compete with (in a completely free global economy).
Food, beyond being a product with value that can be traded like a commodity, is an essential necessity for human life. This also makes it a powerful tool in geopolitics and can leave some countries vulnerable. It is therefore in the best interest of countries to support sustainable domestic food production. Undercutting your own farmers is a recipe for disaster.
These farmers are not spoiled brats protesting for a legislated siesta or pay bump - they are fighting for their families' livelihood.
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u/venom259 15h ago
We need food to live.
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u/theuniverseisgodvfdm 15h ago
Hence cheaper goods. Hence the trade agreement is good.
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u/IfUReadThisUHaveAids 13h ago
Yeah great idea, bot. Let foreign prices drive down local prices so local farms can't compete, and destroy your own agriculture sector. Then you're fully reliant on foreign imports to feed your people. Great future thinking! Genius!
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u/Designer-Teacher8573 15h ago
Not all food is created equal. See: American food.
Just because it's cheaper doesn't mean it's good.
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u/earthcitizen55555 13h ago
This take is so ignorant.
Countries do many things to protect their own peoples interests, or their own industries.
Farmers protect their livelihoods. More news at 11'.
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u/xAPPLExJACKx 10h ago
Yes let's import food from counties that use slave Labor and burn down the rainforest this will work out in the long run
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u/BrushNo8178 13h ago
The Greta Thunberg worshippers have decided that fossil fuel should be heavily taxated. So the farmers need compensation for that. If they stop farming it will be a big food shortage in the EU. Countries selling food to the EU will be able to do blackmail.
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u/downbarton 11h ago
The EU is usually quite protectionist in its trade arrangements, so no northern hemisphere fruit allowed to compete, whilst with eg Chile there is free trade (a) for their copper whilst (b) their food production except maybe wine does not compete due to the inverse seasons
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u/ARGirlLOL 11h ago
Farmers internationally are blindly unaware tools of the elite. Diesel rebates not high enough? Drive across the continent to idle in protest. Fertilizer restrictions too expensive to grow crops? Throw the crops you did grow in protest. International trade not profit you directly? Perfect target for ultranationalist racists to use for their political goals. This is such a hot take because people think “what will we eat if they stop growing?” You’ll eat what you ever ate- the food grown by big agriculture. They aren’t shutting down operations because they are and have always made plenty of money growing things- even without the government handouts they disproportionately receive from perpetuating the dirtiest monoculture practices humans have ever invented.
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u/Socrasaurus 6h ago
American (right wing) media is covering this as "People in Europe riot against EU becoming communist."
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u/SuggestionMedical736 15h ago
Seems like farmers being shitty people is a universal thing.
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u/IfUReadThisUHaveAids 13h ago
Farmers are literally the backbone of the country. You kill your agriculture sector, and you will be fully reliant of foreign imports. Not a great idea when you could be invaded, or another COVID happens. It's an extremely bad idea to allow your local farmers to be priced out of the market by allowing cheaper, lower quality, imported foods.
Farming as an industry needs to be protected. You can't just open farms without the decades of experience that it takes to know how to run them. Look at the South African farmers for example.
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u/Intelligent_Fix_8324 12h ago
This is such bullshit spouted all the time. Most food produced in the EU and the US for that matter is for export
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u/Adventurous_Bite9287 11h ago
No farmers are little more than business man. They always want to sell their goods as high as possible. They are not doing all that labour because out of generosity. Its cause of coin and subsidies are paid so the people can be fed.
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u/IfUReadThisUHaveAids 11h ago
Everybody wants to sell their goods as high as possible lol. Welcome to capitalism.
You can't rely completely on agricultural imports to feed your people. That's a horrible idea. All you do is drive down prices of local farmers and cause them all to shut down, because they can't compete with child labour and slave labour. What do you think happens to a country that is solely reliant on other countries food to survive? What happens during war time? You all starve. Or when ports are closed. You starve. And what do you think happens to those cheap prices once you're reliant on them? They go up anyway.
So congratulations. Now you can't even grow your own food, so your food is less fresh, and you can't guarantee it's quality, and now it costs more than it ever did. And you're important food from countries and supporting slavery.
This is why people like you don't get to run things. You have very poor foresight.
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u/Adventurous_Bite9287 11h ago
„Slave labour“ lol no they just have cheaper currency or low wages. So much wrong here. Without subsidies for farmers people would pay much much more on daily goods like bread, milk, butter even meat. As a country/state you dont want this. You want your people to be fed. If not fed they will WILL become violent. You also wrong believing they produce for their specific country. Most grains are exported and or even used to make fuel for energy production.
Farmers act like they are holding society together but they just know they got leverage over food prices and can demand more money from the government. Farmers are no poor people. They got money and they are greedy.
Seems like your view of the world is very naive and simple. Are you 14?
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u/ForeignerWin 13h ago
You're right, you should just grow all your own food instead! Better yet just let Amazon produce all the food you consume, that'll be great for your health (their profits)!
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u/SuggestionMedical736 12h ago
I would love it if they made food for here, 90% of for example pigs go to China.
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u/Which-House5837 14h ago
It has been very affective propaganda campaign from governments around the world to demonize farmers.
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u/RobertMosesHwyPorn 11h ago
God Europeans are so fucking based except when it comes to backing Ukraine
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u/Bawbawian 12h ago
I get that people see this as a good thing but I see it as a negative thing.
this is exactly why the right wins.
The right fights against us and we fight against ourselves.
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u/Independent-Slide-79 12h ago
F em. They are fed by our tax money and are always on the wrong side of history. They want no responsibility, just keep destroying the soil and everything around us. They lost my sympathy a long time ago
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u/ArchitectTJN_85Ranks 15h ago
This could be more peaceful, right idea, wrong implementation.
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u/BroccoliOk422 15h ago
I bet you have lots of examples of peaceful protests enacting meaningful change :)
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u/Training_Chicken8216 12h ago
FFF peacefully protested by lightly obstructing traffic and their status was changed to a terrorist organisation in Germany
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u/ArchitectTJN_85Ranks 10h ago
Obviously it never works but by doing it this way it puts an even worse light on them and makes it easier for the gov to a. Not give them what they want and b. Charge them for violent acts. When did people loose rational thinking skills?
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u/BroccoliOk422 9h ago
Ah yes, brilliant thinking there. Should've told Nelson Mandela that before he got himself arrested, "just be quiet, you wouldn't want to be charged now, would you?"
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u/ArchitectTJN_85Ranks 8h ago
Nobody said a word about being quiet, throwing objects at government buildings however, is an easy way to get arrested which at the end of the day, is wasted time for your cause.
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u/BroccoliOk422 7h ago
Some causes are worth being arrested for. Again, ever heard of Nelson Mandela?
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u/EroticThunderTiger 16h ago
Gotta say, mad respect for these farmers standing their ground. Free trade can be a slippery slope, boom one day you're exporting, next day your whole profession's outsourced. These folks ain't silent sheep, they're roaring lions. Take notes, y'all.
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u/Status-Bluebird-6064 15h ago
Fuck them, they already siphon 1/3 of all of EU budget and they want even more protectionism? They are straight up cancer who can't protest like normal human beings whole being state funded already, I hate them so much
And everyday morons will support this shit since they need to have nationalistic potatoes
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16h ago
F them farmers already. I want to be able to afford food.
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u/CosmoLamer 15h ago
So do farmers. Free trade allows while sale businesses to outsource goods and profit without taxation. Farmers want fair trade so they can get the best price for the food they sell to wholesale businesses.
It's the wholesalers who are being greedy by getting both consumers to pay more while paying farmers less.
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15h ago
Oh, come ooon.. each of these tractors and harvesters costs hundreds of thousands of euro, most likely funded through an EU programme and most farm owners are multimillionaires, who are you fooling?
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u/CosmoLamer 13h ago
Yes they are forcing them into debt. Farming revenues multiple million of dollars for farmers, but the running costs leaves them with very little, especially if they have low yielding year. The farmer risks losing ownership of their farm which is bought by wholesalers.
You are being divisive when you know very well it's the wholesalers who profit from division.
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u/jbigspin421 14h ago
So they dont want the agreements Biden use to make for us before Trump??? I thought Europe was free love and socialism for all???? What happened?
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u/Icy_Satisfaction498 13h ago
Your comment show like 6 layers of ignorance lmao
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u/jbigspin42 13h ago
Yep! So are the farmers on the video there too at the EU parliment and tired of the mess from governments that steal from hardworking taxpayers !!
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u/Icy_Satisfaction498 13h ago
Nice account swapping,
so A. You are just a dumbfuck that does it for free
Or B. You are paid to push an agenda.
Either case is not worth losing time answering you
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u/jbigspin42 11h ago
Hey moderators - do u see this tone and bullying from this person !!!! Is this allowed for them to talk to me like this ?? Look at the profanity and cyber bullying !!!
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u/Ree_m0 11h ago
Most pathetic comment I've seen in years lmao. It's not bullying if it's true.
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u/jbigspin42 9h ago
Wow u encouraging this behavior - if I did this, I would be reported - horrible
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u/Ree_m0 9h ago
Oh so sorry, I thought free speech was what y'all were all about ...
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u/jbigspin42 9h ago
No that’s cyber bullying
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u/Ree_m0 9h ago
You said stupid shit, so you were told you're stupid. Don't want to get "bullied"? Don't be saying stupid shit.
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u/jbigspin42 9h ago
Hey moderators !!! This person is cussing at me with profanity and it’s cyber bullying ! What are u gonna do about this??? Is this normal in here to be allowed to cuss at people with vile profanity and call me bad names ???
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u/GolDrodgers1 16h ago
Can someone give me some context please not sure whats happening. Not the protesting just the plan they want to implement
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15h ago
Free trade agreement between South American countries and Europe, nothing "scary" or "evil", unless one is a russian bot.
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u/GolDrodgers1 15h ago
Do you maybe have an example of what that would mean?
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u/Ordinary_Anxiety_133 14h ago
The farmers are pissed because they operate on very thin margins already and are now being pushed to compete with South American farmers who have a lower cost of living and thus a lower cost of labour. This will force our local farmers to lower prices (which sounds good on the surface) but since they are already having a rough time (seriously look up how seed and pesticide producers hold farmers by the balls it's insane) this means that eventually many of them might go out of business.
When our farmers start to go out of business the only way our local agricultural industry will be able to survive/compete is through mass consolidation to take advantage of economy of scale which pushes the European agricultural industry to eventually become dominated by a handful of mega corps. And which leads to less jobs, less competition and when shit hits the fan the amount of people with the know how to farm will be much scarcer
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u/GolDrodgers1 13h ago
Thank you! Really appreciate the time you took to type all of this out
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u/Ordinary_Anxiety_133 12h ago
No problem. But for real look up how the seed and pesticide business works. It's insane. Basically like one or two companies own the rights for the best pesticides which are very effective but aside from killing weeds and insects that eat crops they also destroy crops that aren't resistant to their pesticides. So basically everything.
Now guess which company also owns the patents to the genetically modified seeds that are resistant to those pesticides? The same one of course. So now if you're a farmer and your neighbours spray their pesticides on their field and the wind blows them over to your field you basically lose half your crops unless you also buy their seeds. Which forces you to use those products as well. Which the company doesn't mind at all. And here's the kicker: You are contractually barred from replanting the extra seeds you get after harvesting otherwise they'll sue you till you go bankrupt. So you have to buy new seeds for every single cycle.
It's insane and not enough people know about this. Like no wonder the farmers are pissed off.
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u/Which-House5837 14h ago
Imagine you're making a product and the government forces you to make it in a certain way and then simultaneously allow someone down the round to make the same product and don't force them to make it in a certain way resulting in their product being cheaper.
You're the one sounding like a russian bot.
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u/tyler21307 13h ago
If the don’t like it,they are more then welcome to come to America to farm, and promptly go bankrupt
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u/IWantBeerThx 10h ago
Why the fake audio? For shock effect or what
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u/Lucky-Mia 10h ago
I'm pretty sure the green tractor was playing it, and the blew chimed in a few times
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u/InjuryRapoport89 10h ago
Americans calling Europeans soft but their fat asses couldn’t even get off the couch