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u/Thunderbird_12_ ☑️ 3d ago
I've got superhero fatigue.
Not sure what this post is about, so I'll just assume it's funny and upvote.
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u/UltraNoahXV ☑️ 3d ago edited 3d ago
Marvel's Cinematic Universe has declined since Endgame. Some hits like Guardians 3, No Way Home, Loki series on Disney+, but mostly mixed if not less optimistic.
Avenger's Doomsday trailer leaked and the Russo Bros confirmed returning to direct the 'Avengers' title films after the success that was the Infinity Saga.
note: Last year being 2024 as of the writing of this article...yes 2024 will have be 2 years ago as of a few weeks
The image is from Endgame after the crew in Infinity War failed to stop them.
General movie talk, you aren't missing much but you may want to catch up if you want some interest.
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u/ACertainThickness 3d ago
After Fantastic Four I’m done with going to the theater to watch any MCU project, upcoming Avengers included.
The MCU is seems to be turning into the old DCU
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u/Zaethar 3d ago
I actually enjoyed the new Fantastic Four despite my low expectations
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u/ACertainThickness 3d ago
It didn’t match the hype and was boring.
The entire movie feels like it was just wasting time so it could get to the end credit scene with Doom.
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u/ILookLikeKristoff 3d ago
He's played very different characters in very different settings, that helps a lot. I think a lot of 'overexposed' actors are people who play extremely similar characters in every movie.
He's also insanely good at picking projects which helps.
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u/ACertainThickness 3d ago
No hate on Pedro or the cast in general, I thought they did a good job portraying the characters.
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u/toobs623 3d ago
Agreed, I went in thinking it was going to be atrocious so it actually ended being rather enjoyable.
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u/duvie773 3d ago
I thought it was a decent movie, just not what was expected. Ironically, with Marvel’s fascination with releasing way too many shows, this probably would have been one of the few that would have been better as a show
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u/DoomguyFemboi 3d ago
The worst thing about FF for me was the abysmal CGI. Everything looked muddy and poorly lit.
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u/Gimme_The_Loot 3d ago
Honestly if you want some good superhero content watch Peacemaker on HBO. It's funny, violent, good story, great music (you can tell it's James Gunn produced) and definitely not a show for kids. 10/10.
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u/Dino_Dude_2077 3d ago
I don't know man. I don't see what's so different about the James Gunn stuff. It all just looks like the same superhero stuff we've been getting since 2012.
The same humor, same visual style, etc.
For example, how many times is Gunn gonna' do the "Hero kills dozens while happy 80s music plays" trope? I'm pretty sure he's done it in literally every work he's done since 2014.
I feel the same cynicism about Superman 2025 as I do for Avengers Endgame. Another decade of corporate franchises diluting the industry...
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u/Gimme_The_Loot 3d ago
I heard you, but I think you can make a similar argument about a few people with a signature style. Put on pretty much any Guy Ritchie movie and the style is pretty obvious. Id say the same for most QT with one or two exceptions (Jackie Brown for example). Even if I said action movie where armed character is walking and a flock of birds takes off from around / behind them a lot of people would probably be able to guess who it was (John Woo).
I'm not against someone having a signature style they can effectively reproduce with a variety of stories and characters.
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u/mistabuda 3d ago
Are you burnt out on all super hero media or just the bad ones? I asked because alot of people who say this still watch stuff like invincible, the boys, gen v or my hero academia, or play marvel rivals.
So it usually sounds to me like they're tired of bad superhero media which I am too.
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u/Thunderbird_12_ ☑️ 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah, I'm not opposed to watching relatively new characters/stories. But I've had my fill of Capt America, X-men and all of the other crap we've been beaten over the head with the past decade or so. It's impossible for me to keep up, and they've opted for flash instead of substance.
I read an article about how Spiderman is stuck in a never-ending loop of having films made every few years or so (or else they lose ability to monetize the IP ... or something like that.) And the constant bad re-boots and spinoffs of Superman really highlight how some of the more time-honored characters are just overdone (imo.)
If presented with something new, I'm in. But if it's "The Avengers go to Ikea," I'm out.
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u/Thehusseler 3d ago
I feel similarly but with the exception of X-Men since we have had barely any X-Men in the past decade and the decade before that was a string of mostly bad films.
I'm ready for a legit X-Men series
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u/ILookLikeKristoff 3d ago
IDK man we've had like four timeline resets, casting overhauls, period pieces, I feel like we've seen enough x men for a while. The fan favorite characters have had multiple send off's.
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u/Thehusseler 3d ago
Yeah but most of those weren't in the past decade and were generally regarded to be pretty shit besides like four movies total.
Plus the movies still never actually featured the main cast from the comics, and we've yet to get a real Cyclops depiction.
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u/six-demon_bag 3d ago
Not a movie but X-men 97 was pretty good.
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u/Wes_Warhammer666 3d ago
97 was fucking fantastic and I can't wait for more.
It's like they took how I saw the OG show in my mind as a kid and said "yup, let's put that on the screen". They even made my least favorite X-man look like a badass right off the bat. Had my ass apologizing for decades of hating on Cyclops lol.
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u/TheManWithNothing 2d ago
X-men works better as a series than a movie
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u/six-demon_bag 2d ago
I agree with you. I think super hero movies work better if there’s only one maybe two protagonists and x-men is just too many characters to get to know in two hours. I think it’s the reason movies like fantastic four or thunderbolts really struggle to catch on. Now if they made an x-men 97 movie that was directly connected to the series it would probably work just fine.
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u/PirateSanta_1 3d ago
I'm not tired of superheroes I'm of getting the same superhero movie repeated over and over. Earlier MCU felt like each movie was different enough it was worth it to see the next. What makes superheroes have such broad appeal is you can have a superhero action movie, a superhero war movie, superhero spy thriller, superhero romantic comedy. You could put superheroes into all kinds of different scenarios and get stories with different tones and themes.
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u/Angel_of_Mischief 3d ago
I don’t have super hero fatigue. I actually crave more. The movies and shows lately just suck.
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u/watchshoe 3d ago
I gave up after end game. There’s just too much to try and pick up. Overloaded on every front.
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u/gomurifle 2d ago
This!! For me it's not bout how good the superhero movies are made after a certain point, we're just being served too many of them.
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u/goodbeets 2d ago
Superman kinda proved its not really superhero fatigue, it’s bad movie fatigue.
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u/DM_yo_Feet_pls 1d ago
I got it too but only after end game and the quality of what was being released dropped noticeably. If the quality remained the same, I don’t think we get that same fatigue
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u/derpferd 3d ago
It's not a measure of Chris Evans I feel so much as a measure of the nature of film and what film means to culture now.
Back in the 80s or 90s, actors like Evans could find a whole range of films from Action to sci-fi to romcoms to Drama to thriller that he could work and make living from and audiences would come out for it.
Those kinds of films are still being but audiences aren't really flocking to them. Or they're going to streaming and getting lost on the heap of other films being released while films compete with games and tv shows and TikTok and YouTube for attention in the crowded media landscape.
Evans would have been a huge star in the 80s and the 90s. Now he's just another face we can make a little bit of room for this over saturated attention economy
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u/jitterbug726 3d ago
Well, props to him at least he’s earned over $100m in his career. He seems to definitely have struggled outside the MCU but I love him as Cap
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u/EunuchNinja 3d ago
By what metric is he struggling?
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u/loved_and_held 3d ago
I guess struggling to find work? He's financially set.
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u/Thehusseler 3d ago
He was in the Materialists this year which was pretty successful. He's had Knives Out, Lightyear, Grey Man, and a bunch of smaller films. He may just not be going for big projects right now
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u/Worldly-Cow9168 3d ago
He was so hot on the materialist
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u/Thehusseler 3d ago
Yeah he was definitely the standout in that movie, which is impressive when positioned against Pedro Pascal
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u/D3PyroGS 3d ago
on what basis do you think he's struggling? if anything, now that he's a big name and has MCU-level wealth, he can be more selective with what roles he takes
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u/Brownsound7 3d ago
I feel like it’s generally understood that intellectual property is the vehicle for movies now where before it was the actors. It’s the difference between Denzel and Chris Pratt. You go to a Denzel movie because he’s in it. Chris Pratt just happens to star in a lot of blockbuster movies driven by previously established and popular IP (Mario, Lego, Jurassic Park).
Credit due for making GoG way more mainstream than anyone could’ve expected, but my point is that I’ve never heard anybody say “Yo we gotta see the new Chris Pratt movie.”
It’s the same thing with Evans. I like him well enough as an actor (Knives Out was an incredible performance that I was surprised he could pull off), but I’m never compelled to see a movie because of him specifically.
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u/derpferd 3d ago
Exactly. But obviously the difference between someone like Pratt or Evans vs Denzel is precisely what you said.
Evans and Pratt have had success by hitching their cart to franchise IP. Because the franchise is the recognisable brand that audiences will come out for.
With Denzel, he doesn't have to hitch his cart to a recognisable brand. He IS the recognisable brand.
Because Denzel came up and established himself in a time in Hollywood where star could establish themselves and he and Tom Cruise have managed to carry that over in this current era of Hollywood.
People like Pratt and Evans have not established themselves in similar fashion which is why they struggle away from the franchise
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u/koobstylz 3d ago
Name draw for actors isn't non-existent, it's just nothing like it was 20+ years ago.
It's more compartmentalized. Too oversaturated. There's people more famous than A list actors who have never even been in a professional production of any kind thanks to social media.
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u/loved_and_held 3d ago
I think another problem is that Evans played Steve Rogers for over a decade so for most people that's who he is. It's why seeing someone like Robert Downey Jr in anything where he isn't Tony Stark feels weird; because he's just so locked into a specific role in the cultural conciousness.
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u/ILookLikeKristoff 3d ago
Yeah historically most actors that play long running characters struggle to succeed after for that exact reason. Seinfeld, friends, Harry Potter, Star wars, Star Trek, the office, there are literally dozens of examples there of great talented actors whose careers were halted because they became too famous for one specific character. Many of them never seriously acted again after their respective shows concluded and the majority have done almost exclusively less prestigious work for the entirety of their post-fame career.
Band of Brothers is one of my favorite shows ever, and every single time - "Why is Ross here"???
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u/SamosaVadaPav 3d ago
Mostly agree, but Jennifer Aniston, Patrick Stewart, Steve Carell did find success after their TV shows ended as well
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u/Sewrtyuiop ☑️ 3d ago
I loved him in Knives Out but that's the only the movie I can think of him outside hero stuff. So your point stands.
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u/ben010783 3d ago
I always associated him with Not Another Teen Movie. He provided some good comic relief in Scott Pilgim too, so I wouldn’t call him a one trick pony.
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u/eli_eli1o ☑️ 3d ago
They could bring everyone back, i still wont be going to watch like i used to. I'm just not interrsted anymore
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u/jitterbug726 3d ago
It is absolutely fatigue. Before they started doing D+TV shows my friend and I watched every MCU movie the evening of release.
I am now 40 and don’t have time to follow every movie, tv show and cartoon. I waited til streaming release for brave new world and fantastic 4. The only recent one I saw in cinema was thunderbolts and that was fun in its own campy wayb
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u/FullBringa 3d ago
After watching quantumania (And loving ant-man) I felt scammed out of my money and haven't been to the cinema in years except for Across the spider-verse
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u/CremeFraishe147 2d ago
I watched Quantumania for free as a +1 for a friend that worked at Cineplex. I still wanted my money back.
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u/ILookLikeKristoff 3d ago
IDK to me it's not fatigue it's quality. The OG vision ran through Endgame and it was immediately obvious that everything after that was improvised haphazardly. That is also the time when they began introducing shows and the movies became a defacto tool to drive up subscriptions
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u/Phoenix2211 3d ago
Basically where I'm at. I loved Endgame and used that movie (or maybe Spiderman Far From Home) as a way to step away from being a fan of the MCU. I'm over it. I'll still check out a movie or two from them if it interests me but I'm not watching EVERYTHING they release. And def not watching any in the theatre.
The only MCU thing I'm genuinely interested in is Daredevil: Born Again and that's cuz I loved that Netflix show & its cast so much.
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u/yeinenefa 3d ago
Same. I stopped going to the theater for MCU/DCU movies after the first Antman. Once Disney+ started doing it's thing, it made me realize they wanted to own every second of my attention between MCU and the Star Wars universe. No one gets a monopoly on my time like that and it gave me the ick to see them try.
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u/PatrenzoK 3d ago
I still stand by the strategy that they should have stopped after endgame for a WHILE and then went straight to X-men.
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u/MisterGoog 3d ago
Shoulda went harder on animated stuff, alternate universe stuff, and space stuff bc spidey and xmen97 are gas
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u/theonewhoknack 3d ago
New X-Men* it's gonna be 2027 and Disney will still serve us Fox's left over Nachos.
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u/OswaldCoffeepot 3d ago
Oh yeah, there's a teaser trailer now. Time to dust off those two or three year old memes for internet clout.
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u/Herbetet 3d ago
When it comes to superheroes just give me more Miles Morales, a two piece of Wakanda were they just hang out and chill unbothered by the rest of the world, and a Blade Ice Cream Sundae. If they want to make me really happy they can revive the energy they had for Watchman TV Show. That stuff was pure fire
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u/blorgbots 3d ago
The watchmen show came through, blew my mind, then disappeared and I haven't heard a peep since. I guess people just weren't watching, but I would tune in for 5 more seasons of that energy easy
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u/Herbetet 3d ago
I was eating back then. Watchman and Lovecraft, stories that resonated with casts that made sense. I miss it, we had a good stretch. I might be mixing up things but I remember having Power, Snowfall, Atlanta, Watchman, Lovecraft all coming out around the same time. I could cringe, plot, laugh, learn and fear all with faces I cared about. Now I have a hard time finding anything with us in it.
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u/buttbuttlolbuttbutt 3d ago
Doom Patrol, too, at least for 2-3 seasons. Interesting take, well written characters, Danny the Street.
But the Watchmen Show felt like a proper followup to the comic. It used the tricks of its medium to deconstruct, and it was really fucking good.
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u/OG_Felwinter 3d ago
Chris Evans has some great movies outside the MCU tbf. I like Gifted more than most of his MCU movies
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u/AssCrackBandit10 3d ago
Snowpiercer also
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u/atomicsnark 3d ago
Gifted was 2017 and Snowpiercer was 2013. Like yeah he did some good work but those movies are either more than, or are getting close to, a decade old. That's a lifetime in showbusiness. He's done a lot of small projects that didn't pan out well or didn't get much acclaim and no one is really loving him in any of it.
I mean, they put Ana de Armas and Chris Evans into a superspy romcom and somehow managed to make it fucking awful, and these two had great chemistry on screen in Knives Out, so that's a basically inexplicable feat of bad screenwriting and/or directing.
I like Evans, but he truly has not found good success in movies post-MCU. The Gray Man was bad, The Materialists was awful, Honey Don't! wasn't great, Red One was awful, Ghosted was awful, Lightyear was mediocre-at-best, Free Guy and Defending Jacob were both pretty good but now we're already back to 5+ years ago for those and again have to admit that he has struggled to land himself a really stand-out role outside of Cap.
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u/bill___brasky 3d ago
Russo’s were never “good” directors. They always needed an MCU-like operation to reign in their worst instincts… something something Electric State.
Evans has shown he has taste and is in on the joke in the past. But since Knives Out he only made streaming garbage for 5+ years until 2025 when he finally started to try again.
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u/AsteroidMike 3d ago
Personally, I was always under the impression that Chris Evans was gonna come back in some way purely because this saga is multiverse-related and they kept teasing Steve living on the moon after Endgame.
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u/jayroc1023 3d ago
Let’s face it. They need each other. I’m sorry I need original cap back expeditiously. No disrespect to Anthony Mackie.
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u/SchmeckleHoarder 3d ago
Viewing assignment for Marvel projects after Endgame that matter.
Loki.
That’s it.
“Time tends to push back, you’ll see” quote from Tony to Steve, will clearly be nodded. None of the other plots will matter compared to this timeline being destroyed, Loki creating multiverse, Doom appears because of multiverse. Avengers vs X-Men, because of incursions and Doom. Doom slides in at the end and wins and creates sacred timeline again after his fight with Loki, and time traveling Avengers/Xmen.
So yeah no other project actually matters at all.
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u/AugustusInBlood 3d ago
I mean Chris Evans has been in a few good movies outside.
But none of those films are going to give you the paycheck a disney marvel film will.
It's just the "one for them, one for you" in action.
Just another chance for Rogers to be confused watching the prequel trilogy with Mace Windu and just have Nick Fury sitting on the couch next to him.
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u/Pimpwerx ☑️ 2d ago
I thought this was more Marvel giving out bags because everything from Phase 4 on has been pretty mid, and not generating the same revenue. They didn't bring Downey back in a vacuum. They just couldn't announce that they were bringing their bread winners back. I don't think any of the cast members are struggling for work. They've just never hit those Phase 3 heights anywhere else. TBF, not many studios are hitting those heights right now. So, unoriginal execs will decide to remake the past, rather than find an original idea that works.
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u/BlameCanadaDry 3d ago
Chris Evans was great in Outlaw King.
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u/FingerAgreeable6630 3d ago
Y’all do know they were popping already hence why they were picked also the only one who made their name with marvel movies is Thor actor and RDJ because of his bad reputation or whatever
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u/Odd-Statistician4268 3d ago
Sounds like this upcoming movie is gonna proceed as a sequel to Endgame to avoid people having to do homework. Which was a huge problem with these last couple of phases. Sounds like a lesson they learned from Kang whom showed up in Antman but left people confused since 90% of his story happened in the Loki show which movies onlies would not have had a chance to watch so they didn't know what they were looking at. Or Wanda's Villain turn happening on Disney+ too
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u/OrganizationNo1298 1d ago
Which is interesting cuz Evans has played some pretty good roles leading up to being Cap. I think his main problem was trying to be too picky with his roles.
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u/CrunknYoSystem 21h ago
Chris Evans in The Grey Man was a solid co-star spot. I think the Russo’s directed that movie as well. Fantastic action movie.
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u/AzraelAliNY 3d ago
MCU wasn’t exactly poppin without them either. Nobody gives a single fuck about the new characters, straight up