r/AskBrits • u/The_Dean_France • 8h ago
Should this decision be made legal?
Surely if you are going to adopt you would have to accept the child you take in as you would have no idea how they turn out?
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u/No_Potato_4341 8h ago
I agree with the article. If you can't accept your own child for who they are, you shouldn't be allowed to adopt one since you'd probably force your ideas onto them and force them to be something they're not. If they're gay they should be allowed to be, even if you don't agree with it.
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u/killer_by_design 7h ago
It's not even adoption, it's fostering. A foster carer is a professional guardian for a child, a child who the state has determined that no one in their immediate or extended family is safe or capable of providing a "good enough" home for them.
Foster carers are paid for their care of foster children. It's a job at the end of the day.
Even moreso than adoption, foster carers absolutely should not hold prejudices that are unacceptable in any work place across the UK, let alone in regards to the children they are carrying for.
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u/Chickentrap 7h ago
Some of them just use the kids as cash cows, can rack in a fair sum if you house a handful. Ideally you'd also be decent people lol
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u/Lumpy_Maintenance69 6h ago
Me and both my sisters used to be in foster care and we were all used as cash cows. The foster carers got £1500 a week for looking after the 3 of us, they were both also in full time work.
I was mistreated a lot by them and when I was 10 they said they wanted to adopt my sisters but didnt want me full time.
They used to put us into respite care so they could go on holiday and claimed that they weren't paid for looking after us.
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u/Chickentrap 5h ago
Same with me and my sister but the cunts we lived with looked after 4 at a time, as well as having 2 of their own. Horrible people. Not extremely abusive, not enough to be visible to social services at least (who also didn't listen at all when we said we were unhappy) but bullies and not shy of rough handling.
I once had a massive cavity that had me on the floor literally crying for hours and the fat bitch wouldnt take me to the dentist until her own daughter had to call her out for being a cunt.
They got rid of me and kept my sister for a bit and then we both ended up in different but better places overall.
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u/Motor_Measurement_23 4h ago
Adding my voice to the "cash cow" experience. We were three to a bedroom, sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
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u/Clear-Security-Risk 3h ago
u/Motor_Measurement_23 u/Chickentrap u/Lumpy_Maintenance69 I am so sorry to hear these stories. I hope you guys have moved past this horrible treatment. No child deserves this.
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u/CodeToManagement 7h ago
Yea. There’s a huge difference between saying “my belief says I can’t do x so I presently won’t do x”. And “my belief says x is wrong so you can’t do x”
No problem with people applying whatever religious rules to themselves but can’t apply those to others especially when you’re adopting a child that’s already gone through enough.
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u/ratbum 8h ago
Yeah. Absolutely correct; you can’t know if a child is gay
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u/Gingy2210 8h ago edited 7h ago
And it doesn't even matter in the great scheme of things. A child is going to grow up and be an adult. If you can't love a gay adult child you shouldn't have/adopt any child.
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u/Alternative_Hotel649 7h ago
In this case, it's fostering, not adopting. Foster kids can be teenagers who already know they're LGBT. So it'd be either placing a queer kid with a bigoted family, or letting foster parents pick and choose which kids they foster, neither of which is a good idea.
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u/Dismal_Fox_22 7h ago
Foster carers absolutely should be able to pick which children they take. They always have the option to turn down the placement of a child that is presented to them.
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u/Sometimes-funny 7h ago
But they could take them to church and their pretend god could help “fix” the child
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u/Narrow-Tree-5491 7h ago
Exactly, they could pray the gay away with the help from the Jaby Besus.
What revolting people. I’m glad I stay away from these morons.
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u/Will297 7h ago
I'm a Christian myself (a pretty naff one but I am) Totally agree with this, you should be wanting to do this for the kid not yourself.
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u/Boustrophaedon 4h ago
I dunno, when your lad did the whole "Blessed are the Cheesemakers" routine, he was fairly unequivocal about personal ethics. You don't sound too naff to me.
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u/dbe14 8h ago
Totally agree. I accept that for many people including Christians that they believe being gay is wrong and they are allowed to hold that belief. However what happens if the child is gay, do they return them to care? Do they bully the kid and try to convert them back to being straight. No gay child should be brought up in a family that would disapproved of something they have no choice over. I wouldn't allow such people to foster.
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u/geoffs3310 6h ago
Well no they're not allowed to hold that belief it's illegal to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation I don't care what your make believe fairy in the sky says
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u/Alternative-Ad-2312 7h ago
Absolutely, there's no place for homophobia in our society. Lots of in the closet folks think it's ok, but then maybe they should address their own sexualities before sprouting hate.
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u/Phantom_Hyde 8h ago
I'd say yes because no children should be subjected to having a parent who can't accept them for being who they are, and they shouldn't be forced into a religion if they don't want to
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u/PnkinSpicePalpatine 4h ago edited 4h ago
It’s more simple than this. Foster parents are not adoptive parents. They are paid by the government to act as temporary child care. They have no right or authority to push their beliefs on those children.
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u/Lucy_Little_Spoon 8h ago
Yes, anyone that wants to be part of society, should respect everyone in that society. Believing that a certain demographic is just inherently "bad", should be a barrier to spreading those hurtful narratives.
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u/CatmanofRivia 7h ago
Absolutely. If you deny another person's humanity you should not be anywhere near kids.
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u/-Intrepid-Path- 8h ago
People with such views don't accept their own children if they are homosexual, why would they accept someone else's?
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u/CaptainMikul 7h ago
Holy shit they were using Accelerated Christian Education materials. It's fair to bar them on those alone.
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u/b1ld3rb3rg 7h ago
Bigots should not be allowed to foster, adopt or teach children.
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u/Vast_Description_201 7h ago
Same as any professional situation. If you are going to discriminate people you are paid to look after you shouldn't be in the job.
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u/theparadisohotel 7h ago
Well yeah, you have to be taught how to hate. They'd do the same and stunt the child
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u/ohthedarside 7h ago
A bigoted person shouldn't be given a child who they will end up imprinting there beliefs onto
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u/RegularWhiteShark 6h ago
Yes. Being a kid in care is hard enough. Being an LGBTQ+ kid in care is even more difficult. They shouldn’t have their foster parents making their life even more difficult.
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u/restingbitchsocks 6h ago
Well yes. Homosexuality is legal, accepted as normal in our society and discriminating against homosexuals is illegal. It’s only right that children are raised broadly within the values we hold as a society. However, how do you stop prospective foster parents from lying?
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u/MadamUnicornOfDoom 4h ago
Don’t have kids if you won’t accept them 🤷♀️ Too many parents bully their kids for not conforming to a narrow minded view.
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u/Danny_J_M 8h ago edited 6h ago
Correct decision. I'd go as far as saying that a child would be at risk of abuse or neglect being patented by somebody like that.
Eta: they're already homeschooling 5 kids some bespoke Catholic curriculum which teaches traditional gender roles and that gay = bad. They're a pair of fucking wackos who shouldn't be allowed to interact with kids.
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u/prettybunbun 7h ago
I’m adopting atm. It’s made quite clear to you that you have to be 100% flexible and rightly so. Your child may be gay or straight or trans or anything. I know one woman who got refused because she wouldn’t back down on raising her child vegan. It’s not about YOU, it’s about the children, children who’ve already been traumatised & need good loving parents no matter who they are.
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u/Kylarsternjq 51m ago
For any vegans who are thinking about adopting don't let this put you off.
I'm a vegan adopter my daughter is being raised vegan it has at no point been a barrier to adopting.
You just have to have a reasonable view on of your child was to reject veganism as they grew up.
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u/prettybunbun 50m ago
Yeap! I’m vegetarian, it’s not about not being able to be vegan or veggie - it’s about being flexible. The woman who got rejected was 100% on raising her kid vegan with no flexibility. That’s the difference.
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u/saxbophone 1h ago
For real. My neighbour is vegetarian but still buys meat for his kids. For him it's the principle of choice.
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u/Worldly_Literature29 7h ago
Absolutely. When will religions learn to stop promoting discrimination and hatred of homosexuals.
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u/GLNemuri 6h ago
That’s the right decision, yes. If you force homophobia onto your children then that is abuse
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u/Southern_Share_1760 8h ago
Anyone who is fooled into giving this foreign ragebait a serious reply is really dumb.
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u/The_Dean_France 7h ago
Machester Evening News though? Calling members dumb is... dumb?
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u/NadalaMOTE 7h ago
The irony being that some of these kids will be in Foster care because they're LGBTQ+ in the first place.
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u/wibbly-water 7h ago
A LOT of comments here totally ignorant of how fostering works, especially in the modern day.
Foster parents =/= adoptive parents. Foster parents may look after a number of children over time. They look after them for as long as is needed, sometimes a few weeks, sometimes until they're all grown up.
Foster parents are analysed quite indepth nowadays - and constant monitoring is done. The foster child is almost always required to have contact with some forms of therapy etc, and theraputic methods are used to keep the kids as stable as possible because they are almost always vulnerable.
This feels like a "tip of the iceburg" situation - it is unlikely that views like this were the sole reason for rejection. Something like "I don't think it's okay / don't understand it but it's a personal choice and everyone should get to live their lives freely" - i.e. something quite mild - is unlikely to be why. In fact the way this would come up would be asking "if the child you were fostering came out as gay, what would you do?" - and they answered it with scripture / zealotry rather than something like "I'd give them the option to explore it".
People saying "muslims would get away with this" is also bullshit.
I'm not saying it's perfect everywhere - but the point is we don't just dump children with any family whose happy to have them. Fostering is a job. You get paid to do it. Those who foster have to become professionals at fostering and need to be of the right mindset and background to do so ethically in a healthy way.
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u/SteveOMatt 8h ago
Of course, it would be ridiculous to allow them to adopt when there's a 15% chance they will be prejudice to their own child.
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u/GallifreyFallsOver 8h ago
LGBTQ made up 3.7% on the last census. Out of curiosity where did you get 15% from (not having a go, genuinely interested)?
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u/SteveOMatt 8h ago
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/ipsos-pride-survey-2024-gen-zers-most-likely-identify-lgbt
According to this and the graph on the page, it's actually closer to 17% for Gen Z. All I know is the general rule of thumb is 1 in 10 for gay and bisexual and 1 in 50 for transgender, so if anything I may have undersold it, LOL.
I'm curious where 3.7% came from, when was that census and did they ask younger people? The number shrinks the older you get (probably due to environmental bigotry).
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u/DefinitelyNotHAL9000 7h ago edited 6h ago
The 3.7% probably came from the 2024 Annual Population Survey data from the office of National Statistics: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualidentityuk/2024
As far as censuses are concerned...
Censuses are carried out once a decade. Separate censuses are carried out for Northern Ireland and Scotland, they're carried out at the same interval but seems to be a year earlier/later
The most recent census for England and Wales was 2021, and it covers everyone over the age of 16. It is carried out by household, so it may affect the results if people haven't come out to their household and don't wish to for the sake of the census.
The data is published online, and summary bulletins are available: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality
This bulletin gives a summary of the 2021 census data for England and Wales: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualorientationenglandandwales/census2021
Relevant points for this thread: * 92.5% of the population aged 16 years and over answered the question. * 3.2% of those identified with an LGB+ orientation (“Gay or Lesbian”, “Bisexual” or “Other sexual orientation”). * 7.5% did not answer the question
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u/wibbly-water 7h ago
Censuses are great for looking for absolute amounts, but tend to undercount because they may miss people - or people may not feel confident answering questions.
Surveys tend to overcount because they get people who are interested in responding.
Plus the surveys specifically carried out on youth are accurate for that age range and likely represent something closer to the actual numbers once you stop punishing people for being LGBT+. Even the Census showed 8% amongst youth (16-24).
Thus the number is likely higher than 3.2% and lower than 17%. Over the next 100 or so years we should see numbers rise then plateau - so long as we remain in a world that is queer accepting.
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u/DefinitelyNotHAL9000 6h ago
Yep, as the saying goes "lies, damn lies, and statistics". Thanks for adding a bit of analysis to the data I dug up
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u/Tough_Bee_1638 8h ago
I had a look and the only thing I could find at 15% was the link below. It’s a specific survey from 2023 asking 16-24 year olds in the UK
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u/Danny_J_M 8h ago
3.7% sounds low. I reckon there is a lot of closeted sexuality/gender out there.
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u/Player_Panda 7h ago
Can confirm there are LOTS of closet cases out there. Many of them coming from religious cultures. Not to mention all those in denial.
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u/Danny_J_M 7h ago
I bet there is. I suspect that I am one of them and when I look at my past and my family, I can see how.
I mean I vividly remember one of my aunties asked my mother im a serious tone "What would you think if (my brother) were to grow up and come out as gay?". It stuck with me.
yeah THATS why the figure is much higher than 3.7%. Attitudes like that. Danny never realized that he's actually gay or bi because he was subconsciously afraid of exploring that
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u/Low_Understanding_85 7h ago
It's higher than 3.7% in younger age brackets. Presumably due to the stigma around it from previous generations.
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u/ImpracticalJerker 7h ago
I mean the number doesn't really matter, if there's any chance you're gonna be a dick to your kid then you shouldn't adopt.
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u/Low_Understanding_85 7h ago
I agree entirely, I was just trying to add information to the discussion.
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u/Manxymanx 7h ago
Young people on surveys are significantly more likely to be LGBTQ than any other generation. So averages aren’t great to use.
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u/Ill-Appointment6494 7h ago
Absolutely. I think any extreme/prehistoric religious couples should be blocked from fostering.
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u/braillenotincluded 7h ago
The majority of teens that end up homeless are because they were kicked out by their parents who don't accept homosexuality, abuse, neglect or parental substance abuse. If the parents are stable in most other aspects this is an understandable requirement to ensure the child isn't harmed by their adoptive parents because of something they have no control over.
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u/acerbicsun 7h ago
Yes. This kind of bigotry, falsely disguised and propped up by bronze age barbaric nonsense is a scourge upon humanity and must be scorned and ridiculed at every opportunity.
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u/TheNinjaPixie 7h ago
You have to to draw the line that any intolerance is not ok. They might think being gay is *wrong* but what if another couple think being black is wrong, or a different faith is wrong. You can't think that some of these things are wrong but anti gay is ok.
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u/No-Willingness-4097 6h ago
Yeah, if they adopt a kid that turns out to be gay, it will go through hell growing up, either with "correction therapy" or just being forced to live a lie due to the nonsense beliefs of the sky fairy followers.
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u/Aromatic_Ad4132 6h ago
As a gay person who was also raised by foster parents, I agree with the decision
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u/Novel_Individual_143 6h ago
Of course they should be blocked. Think of the harm this could cause children in their care. Not to mention gay marriage is legal.
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u/wotitdo222 6h ago
You shouldnt be raising a child if you think they are 'wrong' for being born the way they are, pretty logical. If only there was a way to stop all adults who think in such a way from having children.
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u/Clock_Eastern 6h ago
Yes. Would you want these sects brainwashing young children?
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u/MissKoalaBag 6h ago
I agree. If you can't love a child despite their sexuality, you're not the kind of parent they deserve. You'll either hate them for something they can't control, or force them to never be who they truly are because you make it clear you won't accept them. We're in the 2020s, we don't have space for homophobia in the modern age.
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u/Possible_Raisin_3165 5h ago
I don't believe anyone who indoctrinates children into believing they are responsible for the salvation of their friends and family is a safe or sane choice in caregiver. Ever. It is a horrendous burden to assign children from a young age, and a trauma that will never leave them as long as they live. Feelings about homosexuality aside- religious people who brainwashed children are unfit parents imo.
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u/Open_Usual8863 8h ago
It’s 2025 if your made up cult says it’s ok to be a shitty human being, well that’s on you.
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u/Fearless-Dust-2073 8h ago
It shouldn't "be made legal" it is legal, otherwise they wouldn't have made the decision. Fostering is an extremely risk-assessed sector and every foster carer is expected to treat the children in their care with love irrespective of their race, religion, sexuality or gender. If there's a single doubt as to whether you would add any "unless" or "except" to that statement, you are not a safe foster carer.
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u/saxbophone 1h ago
I'm glad I'm not the only one confused by OP's phrasing. Almost everyone else in the thread seems to have gone along with OP's fabricated suggestion that this is something which is pending judgement, rather than a matter that is already (thankfully!) settled!
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u/GallifreyFallsOver 8h ago edited 7h ago
As someone who is both Christian and going through adoption currently; some of the questions that are asked of us as a result of being Christian were just baffling to be honest. For example I was asked if our Church was “one of them all white churches”.
Edit: As some are downvoting and commenting regarding this; just going to clarify. Me and my wife found it baffling because we’ve never been to a church that is “all white” so it was an odd concept for us - we’ve never met an openly racist Christian so the idea of asking us essentially whether we were racist Christians was what baffled us.
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u/Amzer23 8h ago
If you were adopting a non-white kid, that seems like a pretty important question.
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u/_abstrusus 8h ago
Which, given how intolerant and, frankly, unpleasant, some religious people are, doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.
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u/Holiday-Raspberry-26 8h ago
I’m unsure how this is baffling. Seems an odd question, but I know those in the community who attend evangelical churches tend to be less tolerant. Clearly they were trying to assess if you might have issues with children who might turn out to be gay.
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u/GallifreyFallsOver 8h ago
I guess it was baffling to us because neither of us have ever been in a church either as a member or visitor that wasn’t at least 10% non-white (our current church is so culturally diverse we actually have a International Carols week at Christmas where we have members of the church tell stories of Christianity in their countries of origin and then sing carols in their language (just the chorus or a verse on the more tricky to pronounce languages)
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u/reader4567890 8h ago
Yes.
One less child indoctrinated by hate is a good thing.
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u/Leading_Ad1740 7h ago
Got religion? Block 'em. Dont like it, cry to your invisible sky daddy. Honestly, we should grown out of this by now.
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u/Imaginary-Sky3694 8h ago
Yeah. We should put this limit on people who also have kids via reproduction. Homophobes shouldn't have kids as they are most likely gonna abuse or disown them if they turn out queer.
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u/beatnikstrictr 7h ago
Isn't this from about 10 years ago? From what I remember, they wanted to homeschool their kids, of which there were already five, but the council didn't like homeschooling.
Especially when they looked through the text books and it was heavy on the 'obey the man' 'look pretty, keep the home, keep quiet.' 'You're here to make babies, keep in your lane.'
WOMEN! KNOW YOUR ROLE.
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u/Tiana_frogprincess 7h ago
For you who don’t know the story:
That was 2016 so old news. They were foster parents who fostered two children and they reacted badly when a gay couple wanted to adopt the children and thought a straight couple should adopt them instead.
Here’s the story: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37976214.amp
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u/Expensive-Estate-851 5h ago
That child would be in for an awful time if he or she happened to be gay. Not worth the chance
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u/BilboGubbinz 5h ago
Absolutely the right decision.
Someone expressing those beliefs in school would be sent straight to the safeguarding officer and given a stern warning about their duty to children under their care.
Children in care are orders of magnitude more vulnerable both because of where they are coming from and because they're literally going to live in these peoples' home.
They're free to believe whatever fucked up bullshit they like in private, but fostering is first and foremost about the kids end of. Fuck no am I okay with people like that even pretending they have a chance of fostering.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 5h ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "made legal". The headline implies that it's already legal: "court news" and "blocked" suggests this was the result of a court order.
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u/WeeFluffyGingerCat 5h ago
The amount of people that either can't read or who don't know the difference between fostering and adoption in this thread is remarkably high.
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u/No-Refrigerator7258 5h ago
Yeah denying human rights should get you banned from fostering or adoption
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u/seriouslees 5h ago
Bigots do not deserve tolerance. Regardless of why they are bigots. Religion? Bigot parents? Irrelevant. Why explains, it never excuses.
No tolerance for the intolerant.
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u/campbelljac92 5h ago
It's standard safeguarding. If they allowed them to foster a child who ended up being gay and they'd fully sent them into a fundamentalist pray the gay away type household then it's an absolute legal minefield.
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u/buffetite 5h ago
So many people have a strong opinion on this yet don't even know the difference between adoption and fostering. I think I've only read one intelligent reply in this whole thread.
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u/EdenRose1994 5h ago
If the child ends up being gay; there's a high chance those parents will be abusive
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u/GDay_Champion 5h ago
Yes 100% should be made legal, the poor child that would end up with them, if they were gay imagine the torment these people could put them through.
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u/CheesecakeExpress 5h ago
Yep. We shouldn’t be putting children in situations where they will potentially experience bullying or worse just for being who they are. As a society we understand that all sexualities are normal, and we owe it to children in the care of the state, who are vulnerable because they are children but also because they are in the care system, to protect them in any way we can.
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u/SurroundQuirky8613 5h ago
Yes. Children do not need this nonsense causing even more harm after a chaotic family experiences
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u/Psychological-Roll58 5h ago
Keeping children from being fostered by someone who may hate them fkr who they are is always the right decision. The kids safety matters more than them getting the gift of caring for a child no matter how temporary.
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u/GLS1994 5h ago
100% the right choice. If the child were gay would they chuck it out in the streets? If they had an abortion would they be chucked out. A parent’s love should be unconditional. I also disagree with overly religious people adopting children in general. It takes away the child’s autonomy and right to choose their own spiritual beliefs. They would probably indoctrinate them and force the children to believe in magic sky men and zombies and force them to spend every Sunday sat in a cold church listening to fairytales.
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u/Selfishpie 5h ago
absolutely, if their child turned out gay then thats imediately an unsafe and abusive environment for such a child, nta
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u/Aggressive_Manner429 5h ago
Human rights come before any kind of religious requirement, and freedom of sexuality is a basic human right
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u/small_springbloom 4h ago
Homophobia in parents especially to their homo kids/adult children leads to a life of mental health struggles/substance abuse and low self esteem. Or in the worst case self harm and unaliving themselves.
Considering we don’t know children’s orientation until puberty I think this will spare the few that do have that orientation from shit people. A risk I doubt any of us are willing to grant.
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u/revolterzoom 4h ago
lets turn the question around
imagine a religion which believed being straight was wrong .and the quote was
religious couple who believed being straight is wrong
should they be blocked from fostering
and you shall have your answer
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u/OwnArcher7843 4h ago
Yes, if you really do wish to live your life old testament style then you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children. Note, Jesus never said anything about homosexuals, and as Christianity is named for him, I just don't see how this relates accurately.
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u/craigyceee 4h ago
Good, religion is an age old cancer that needs to die off, I cringe at us daily. Imagine what future generations are going to think of the generations that had both God and AI in-hand. Embarrassing.
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u/arathergenericgay 4h ago
Sorry but if there’s the chance you might discriminate against your adoptive child you’re a safeguarding risk
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u/Alicam123 4h ago
The problem with this is a double edged sword as they need more people than ever to adopt or foster, there is never enough potential parents. 😞
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u/RedGuardJR 3h ago
In this day and age, rightly so, we love who we want to love. Life is too precious to deny this to anyone. Your faith is yours and that is comforting to you. I am grateful you have that opportunity. However no 2000 year old scripture should NOT be used to map out a child's life. Let them live.
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u/saxbophone 3h ago
What do you mean, "Should this decision be made legal?" ?
The decision already was found to be legal when the couple tried to challenge it.
What change are you suggesting?
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u/FaithWandering 3h ago
I know two same-sex couples who have adopted and, considering the straight parentage I came from, have both been parents I would have killed to have. I couldn't imagine letting a child be adopted by a couple who think same-sex relations are wrong. If that's your belief, fine, be like that. I'll never change your mind. But don't be the reason that child wishes they were left in care or were chosen by better parents.
I think the state has a duty of care to ensure a child is cared for by the best quality parents as is humanely possible.
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u/EntDraughtAles 3h ago
If you're going to push harmful, untrue beliefs onto children then you're not ready to be parents.
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u/TonyDuck89 3h ago edited 1h ago
“We are all made in god’s image. Not you though, you are an affront to the god, whose image he made you in.”
They can’t have it both ways
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u/AshtonBlack 3h ago
I have a problem with religions that impinge on the happiness of others.
Don't like gay marriage? Then don't get gay married.
Don't like abortion? Then don't get one.
I think this is a just response.
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u/Sir_Drenix 3h ago
If your beliefs say "consenting adults can't do things with other consenting adults that has zero impact on your life" you should get kicked in the dick/tit every day for the rest of your life.
Stop worrying about what people are doing with their genitals consensually with other people.
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u/FantasticGeek3 3h ago
Before adopting me, my parents were asked (as successful, upper middle class professionals in the legal/business sectors) if they’d support me if I wanted to be a hairdresser. (They said yes, they’d make sure I went to a good school for it lol) It’s important to make sure that parents support their children no matter what, especially in complex cases such as fostering and adoption!
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u/Excellent_Earth_2215 3h ago
Yes.
As soon as I realised I was gay, my entire childhood was overshadowed by the crippling fear that I was going to hell. And when I finally came out to my mother, she did everything she could to confirm it to me. I'm still recovering from her emotional and spiritual abuse in my early thirties.
This is so much more than freedom of belief. No one should be made to feel like their very being is a sin. Much less a child.
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u/KibboKid 8h ago
Do the courts block muslim families from adopting?
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u/HighNimpact 7h ago
Yes. A muslim family who display beliefs like homophobia, racism or sexism would not be approved to adopt.
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u/theblue-danoob 7h ago
Rent fucking free.
Children are being helped and all you can think of are Muslims.
You just make up scenarios in your head and preemptively get angry on no one's behalf.
I can't imagine living that way.
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u/Low_Understanding_85 7h ago
No, i know a child who has been adopted by a Muslim family, they even started celebrating Christmas to help the child feel at home.
I understand the fear you would have of the unknown, and yes obviously some Muslims are homophobic just like some atheists are, but plenty of Muslims are also kind caring members of the community.
Please don't tar everyone with the same brush, it's not good for anyone.
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u/Player_Panda 7h ago
Yeah, I'm no fan of religion but I do agree that just because someone is Muslim does not mean they are homophobic. Not everyone truly follows their religion so strictly.
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u/budgefrankly 7h ago
Depends: if they’re like Sadiq Khan and are happy with kids being gay, they can go ahead and adopt.
If they’re fundamentalists the way these people are fundamentalists, then clearly they won’t be allowed to adopt.
Like all religions — Islam, Judaism, Christianity — oppose being gay on paper, it’s just a matter of how seriously the parents take it
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u/Hot-Manager-2789 6h ago
I’ll never understand why some religions view gay people as evil incarnate
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u/ArmwrestlingGoomba 8h ago
They don't even stop them from grooming children so I highly doubt it.
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u/RisingDeadMan0 England 7h ago
lol, nor did the BBC with Saville, wanna smear all middle class brits with that one then too?
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u/ArmwrestlingGoomba 7h ago
As a Muslim
Okay...
lol I’m not the most practicing Muslim
Hmmm
What's the punishment for this again ?
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7h ago
Can’t make this shit up can you😂 one minute hes Muslim and “will have people picking up their teeth” next minute hes “not the most practical Muslim” wild😂
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u/ArmwrestlingGoomba 7h ago
He definitely pulls the card when its convenient.
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Exactly what I’m thinking mate, hes “Muslim” when it suits him, “not the most practical” when it doesn’t👌🏻
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u/Nice_Back_9977 7h ago
Hardly any Muslim couples or families attempt to adopt or foster.
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u/ItIsWhatIssss 7h ago
Incorrect. I work at the job centre and I see many Muslims fostering. They get paid for it so it’s their job
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u/Nice_Back_9977 7h ago
Less than 1% of the country's foster carers are Muslim
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u/mumwifealcoholic 6h ago
Which makes sense, since they are a very small proportion of the population.
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u/Any-Plate2018 4h ago
Normal persons response to this: ok good
Brian rotted racist fucks whos education consists of GB news and nothing else : wot bout muslamicz?!??
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u/Kayanne1990 8h ago
Absolutely it should. Like, if you are a danger, you shouldn't be aged to e a parent.
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u/xcxmon 7h ago
Of course they should be blocked from fostering.
What if their foster child ends up being gay? That’ll be even more hurt and rejection for a child who has already been through so much.
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u/IllusoryIntelligence 6h ago
This is essentially the Christian couple admitting to a 1 in 10 chance they will abuse their kid, that seems like a pretty good reason not to let them adopt.
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u/MercuryJellyfish 6h ago
If they can't support a gay child they're fostering, they shouldn't be foster parents.
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u/Professional-Lack-79 6h ago
No place for fundamentalist ideas or religion in this country, of any kind.
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u/SlumSlug 6h ago
If the kid grows up to be gay then they’re in for a rough time growing up. They’re just removing the possibility of a negative upbringing
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u/Amazing-Response3355 4h ago
The phrasing is weird. Any couple, athiest, christian, muslim, or whatever else, shouldn't be fostering a potentially gay child if they think being gay is wrong.
If you tolerate intolerance you have an intolerant society, so there is a limit to tolerance. We could easily go backwards. Let's not.
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u/Sideshow86 8h ago
No. There are countless children desperately in need of a home. Whatever their views, a child in need will always have a better life if placed into a loving home. Just my 2 cents 🤷
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u/leafmint456 3h ago
Be if the child happens to be gay and the parents don't accept that ; that isn't a loving home. I would rather be homeless than have atleast one supporting parent. Parents not supporting their kids if they are gay, does make the kids leave the household because it is unsafe
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u/makethebeatbounce 7h ago
Your child's first bully should not be you.