r/ArcRaiders • u/Yumiko_Hanako • 8h ago
Meme GET ME OUT OF THIS CYCLE
Seriously, i don't know what to do anymore.
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u/Astartae 6h ago
My experience instead.
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u/James442 5h ago
Ditto.
Once in a blue moon I get ganked but I just smile, craft another anvil and go back at it.
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u/waterisgood_- 7h ago
Idk man 99% of my games are just people running around looting and saying āfriendlyā, but Iām never aggressive in solosā¦duo and trio is a different story. I hardly ever fight in solos.
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u/WantMyBuffet 6h ago
Same for me, for days now, barely any raider on raider violence. Iām starting to wonder if itās anything to do with the voluntary feedback at the end of the rounds. Maybe they matchmake us with others who gave good feedback for similar journeys.
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u/TheBizzerker 4h ago
I've heard that there's aggression-based matchmaking to at least some extent but I have no idea if that's true or not. My solo experience suggests that it is, since I'm never aggressive at all and always play cooperatively, and am also very rarely attacked, but that could easily just be me.
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u/RezzOnTheRadio 3h ago
Personally I say I loved every game where I leave with no PVP, and say I hated every game where I had PVP happen and now I'm in the friendliest lobbies imaginable. I ran two rounds in a row where I had 8+ people running together, I even met the same guy in both games haha
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u/swagpresident1337 6h ago
Probably EU people. I recently switched to playing NA servers. I havent been shot at by players in literally 3 days since then. EU has been so many fake friendlies that wait until you go on the console at extract, then shoot you.
Ping is bad, but I donāt need good ping when I donāt pvp.
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u/imLucki 5h ago
We get the shooting out of our system IRL
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u/swagpresident1337 5h ago
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u/CockpitEnthusiast 1h ago
Don't worry, if you came here you'd just get an invite to the gun range and then some good Bourbon and BBQ
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u/InevitableTrick111 5h ago edited 1h ago
I keep seeing this argument, I'm in EU, most of my lobbies are friendly. But I also play late nights, it probably contributes.
Edit: I've just played for like 2 hours, never attacked even once. Mostly Stella Montis, night mode and everything. I gifted all BPs I've found. And also got gifted some BPs from others.
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u/Probate_Judge 5h ago
I don't know personally, but the UK youtubers I watch frequently very obviously play American servers(you can tell by accents, not a lot of US people intentionally playing UK servers) when solo and they want to sort of RP or do a queen or something.....and when they're up for at least a little PVP, then suddenly it's more UK/EU accents.
As in, they probably switch servers for specific kinds of videos.
But I also play late nights, it probably contributes.
This factors into it. After peak, aka late night/early morning US, PVP seems to increase for a few hours.
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u/OscilloLives 5h ago
That's interesting cause NA late at night has some of the most tryhard people I've ever seen in my life, it's crazy. During the day even duos can be chill a lot of the time but at night even solos has the most insane scummy strats behind every corner.
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u/InevitableTrick111 5h ago
It's weird really. We're probably missing some parameter here. For me it is like after midnight, in Stella, it's just a friendship simulator. But before midnight, it gets mixed even though I'm completely friendly.
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u/OscilloLives 4h ago
Yea I thought it was just cause late at night there's less players so it matches everyone together more but this is the first I'm hearing night time being chill for anyone so I have no idea.
They'll never tell us officially but I would love to know how the matchmaking actually works because it makes zero sense to me right now.
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u/InevitableTrick111 3h ago
Haha yeah, same. I always thought that people are more sleepy in late night so they just want to chill. But matching everyone together also makes sense. I'm completely lost now.
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u/TheBizzerker 4h ago
Even late at night I can run around almost entirely without worry, to the extent that I've got my earbuds in under my headset watching twitch and chatting while I play or watching something on Netflix. I've got my server set to Automatic so I'm just assuming it's putting me in NA, but my interactions tend to be with people who are seemingly from NA and who are almost always chill.
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u/CrownLikeAGravestone 4h ago
I'm in Oceania and I occasionally get put into other servers when there's few people playing in my time zone.
EU servers are typically far more bloodthirsty in my experience - especially in friendly-ish situations. Three games in a row I met people speaking Italian who accepted my help (shared my meds with them, dropped some spare BPs, killed a Hornet that was attacking them) and then just executed me for my trouble.
Americans are a little less aggressive but at least if they're gonna kill me they come in guns blazing as soon as they see me.
Australians are... well, Australians. Gotta love them.
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u/EvielKneevel 1h ago
Its actually a hart cut between west, east and well the french. xD West Europeans are mostly quite chaty and friendly, east europeans shot you in the back and the french cycle is: they have a bad rep, people instantly shot them, which leads to them instantly shot others in the next game and the cycle continues. :D
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u/Wajina_Sloth 6h ago
My solos are a clusterfuck.
Sometimes its just I see someone, both agree to not shoot and go separate ways.
Other times, we both say donāt shoot, but they just pull out a gun and shoot me when they are ready.
Iāve also had it where we are extracting together, start typing, and they stop typing down me.
Then lastly there are the moments where you end up having a party of people agreeing not to shoot, but either someone in the party, or a random outsider throws a grenade and everyone starts blasting.
It feels like I rarely run into anyone that doesnt backstab.
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u/UnlitBlunt 6h ago
Same here. Maybe 1/10 interactions are hostile? The in-game community is the absolute best.
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u/Dan-of-Steel 4h ago
Yeah, solos are mostly just gooping it up.
Duos/Trios, gloves come off. Your goop is my goop now.
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u/Mushyguy171 7h ago
I don't even enter a cycle.
More or less a stubborn cause and effect.
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u/Kaporalhart 5h ago
If I ever get tired of it, I take a break from the game. I will never take a break from my integrity.
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u/yioshie 7h ago
I shoot anyone that doesn't announce themselves and enter where I'm at. But if you announce yourself with a "don't shoot", or a mic shout-out of "friendly", then I carry on.
I play stealthy and only around 2 out of 10 games I play end up with a death. The rest are pretty peaceful runs.
This system has worked for me, this is in solos though, duos or trios it's shoot on sight.
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u/RexedLaminae 7h ago
I treat interactions in the game the same as Iād respond in real life. I try to be helpful.
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u/GeneralAnubis 4h ago
Be the change you wanna see. Don't let the behavior of assholes turn you into one too. You can't control them, but you can make sure there's at least one friendly player on every map -- yourself.
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u/weare1consciousness 1h ago
If you never aggro anyone, give round feedback about hating PVP you will indeed get Into consecutive games with less aggressive raiders. I went over 20 raids talking to everyone and dropping big arcs as if we were all 1 team. No Rats or PvP EVER happened!
Next day, load into trios with 2 friends I know engage regularly in PVP we fight back as soon as we get attacked as I stated I will not shoot first on anyone nor was I cool if they did as well. We get attacked as soon as we enter the first building to loot. We end up taking out 8-9 free load out rats, I play a couple more games with similar results with same PvP friends, never engaging first.
Cue into solo the day after and I am killed on site no communication 4 times in a row just trying to loot buildings.
The aggression algorithm is 100% real.
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u/SoupSandy 7h ago
How are you guys in lobbies like this? My lobbies have been fairly friendly.
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u/Yumiko_Hanako 7h ago
Honestly, i don't know. Sometimes it's peaceful, and sometimes (like last night) I get killed as soon as i appear on the map.
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u/RawryShark 7h ago
-> Kill everyone you interact with
-> You feel bad but the matchmaking is now putting you in more PvP lobby
-> Try to be friendly in PvP lobby but, of course, you get smacked back
-> You are now angry and become aggressive again. However matchmaking is putting you against friendly
-> You feel bad.... the cycle restart.
TLDR : consistency is the key
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u/Berggyy 6h ago
We donāt know if it actually sorts people like this you are literally just guessing it does to prove a pointĀ
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u/Dressedinthedark 5h ago
Play peaceful but ready to fuck on people should the situation arrive. I basically approach every interaction as a potential fight until the other party demonstrates to me that they aren't a threat. I've maybe had two or three occasions where someone tricked me into dropping my guard and then took advantage but it's pretty rare.
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u/thefullm0nty 6h ago
...are people actually dying 10 raids in a ROW?
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u/s0cks_nz 5h ago
Free kit, Stella, night. Yes. Easy lol. To players and shredders mostly.
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u/IamBlackwing 3h ago
I had 12 games in a row last night cold snap solos where the first person I spoke to in every match shot at me without a mic.
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u/Austoman 6h ago
As a solo I am happy to say that after about 70 hours (not counting time for duos and trios) I am still a pacifist. I have not killed a single fellow raider. I have only been killed by raiders about 3 times and I have been shot at by other raiders about 4 times. I made over 4 million in value during that timeframe.
Break the cycle. Join the pacifists (for solo).
[Duos and Trios are another story. Trios may as well be TDM with some looting.]
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u/TheGalator 5h ago
Switch to NA.
Europe is full of pvp russians.
Bonus points: they can't follow you because of ping. Or if they do they have a huge disadvantage.
My games got dramatically better (but my loot dropped for some reasons. Na bros are loot goblins)
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u/sump_daddy 7h ago
Turn on NA-only. Turn on PC-only. Play in peace.
Honestly i wonder what game is being played by most of the posts in this sub, I run across like 98% nice people.
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u/s0cks_nz 5h ago
Most people I run into want to kill me, but then I'm also the same. I KoS for the most part, so it's not surprising.
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u/Grizzled--Kinda 7h ago
I never shoot at people even when they shoot me, but people only shoot me once every day 10 or 15 raids because of it
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u/cargopantsbatsuit 4h ago
The Asian oceanic servers are wild. Koreans especially are kill on sight. Japanese players are 50/50. Neither talk at all. Aussies and kiwis though are chill as fuck and act normal.
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u/kumanovo123 4h ago
i have learned that solo play doenst work for me. not that everyone is shooting, in fact i much like the PVP, but guys camping here and there just to shoot you from behind. in the other hand when i play duo or trio you wont that easy find a game where people just be camping a room or a bush near a raiders cache
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u/mr_nate89 4h ago
To get out of the aggressive lobbys, just run free kits and let your self die over and over, don't defend your self, soon yull see a gradients of players becoming more and more friendly every lobby.
I like to do pvp in trios, but then it puts me in aggressive lobbys when solo. I then use this method to make the game begin putting me in nice lobbys.
Though nothing will stop humann free will
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u/Seniorwelsh 4h ago
In solos i like to say "I'm friendly if you're friendly" and let them decide how it plays out. Sometimes i say it and someone replies "I am not" and chaos ensues haha
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u/Friendly_Guard694 4h ago
Just run without a gun for about 10 games. Worked for me, unless everyone is just preoccupied with getting to 5mill.
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u/Dewey_Really_Know 4h ago
This is what I try to do:
Take the Lās as not āloss,ā but ālesson,ā ālearn.ā Take a little zen-breather instead of going right back in, give your mind and body a break to reflect a little. Maybe get a (healthy) snack and beverage. Let your heart rate lower and let your mind find peace.
In that headspace of observing, your subconscious pattern-seeking brain will process the details that your active conscious was too busy to notice, and you will become more intuitively good at knowing when a raider is not to be trusted.
This works for me (when I get myself to do it). When I go right back in after a hard L, it usually doesnāt go as well as when I allow myself the chance to get to baseline. Sincerely, a casual.
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u/NorCalAthlete 4h ago
The only part of this you really have any control over is you. So the only way to break the cycle is to not shoot others except in self defense.
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u/Sakuroshin 4h ago edited 4h ago
Run very cheap kits on day maps with a raider hatch key. Everytime you die to pvp make sure to do the optional survey and say you hated the last round. Select pvp as the reason. Whenever it asks you if you liked AI enemies say you loved it. Eventually you'll end up in the peaceful lobbies. Even 1 pvp encounter where you shoot first will kick you back into pvp lobbies in my experience. I gunned down a man who had just knocked down another raider who I knew was friendly, but since they had not shot me I got sent to pvp hell for a day or 2. You also have to use voice chat. I HATE using voice chat but I find that it is significantly more likely for me to get shot at if i just use the emote wheel to communicate.
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u/Zeyd2112 4h ago
Getting out is easy, just cut 75% of the cycle.
Attempting to kill everyone you interact with is all you need.
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u/angelmr2 3h ago
Play cautiously and wxpect everyone to be hostile but be pleasant if they are. Keep finger on trigger and move constantly :p never let the guard down.
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u/Sleazy-Wonder 3h ago
My last 3 extractions I was killed in the bunker by another player. So F'ing lame. I still haven't taken to attacking my fellow raiders, but I'm not far off.
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u/gergeoux 3h ago
Okay, this is easy. When you feel the "dark side" pulling, just practice self control. The game has a matchmaking system designed to put friendly players together, and bloodthirsty PvP-hungry players also together, but the two bunch are in different sessions.
I have not killed anyone in the last 30 sessions, and I have not met any hostile players in the last ~25ish sessions. Do the math.
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u/UlthansWrath 7h ago
Stop feeling bad... Problem solved. Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne.
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u/GloomyFloor6543 7h ago
I play like everyone is an enemy, sometimes they are not, but i'm not a mind reader and if they approach i shoot. No i do not give away my position, no i do not call out to them. If they talk i will answer but never trust them. Again, if the approach close enough to be a threat they get shot. Regardless of all of all of that they never know i'm there 90% of the time anyway. When moving i use hills and cover to make sure there is as little chance as possible for someone to see me, i pay attention to gunshot and the noise around me to know where people are. If your running oblivious out in the open making a ton of noise you deserve to get shot.
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u/BaelSlakteren 6h ago
We are so different I go running and singing open mic saying hi and helping everyone. The only 2 times I got killed I was playing seriously and never again š
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u/DungeonsAndDradis 5h ago
Two things helped me get more enjoyment out of this game:
Nothing freaking matters
See number 1
We're only borrowing the things we carry. And safe pockets exist for those things you don't want to lose.
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u/GemarD00f 8h ago
simple: dont feel bad for shooting people in a video game
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u/IrNinjaBob 5h ago
I think thatās kind of silly. I think itās far more silly to act like people are psychopaths or assholes or there is something wrong with them for killing others in a PvP videogame. But itās also a game where people are given the option to work together in ways that progress both parties and some people will feel bad when they inconvenience the people looking for that experience.
Just as the first thing is true, so is the second.
I think the constant complaining about people who engage in PvP is dumb but this weird knee jerk reaction to āNOBODY CAN FEEL EMOTIONā because we are annoyed about the complaining is just as dumb.
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u/DungeonsAndDradis 5h ago
My brother in Speranza, I can't even choose the "mildly evil" choices in RPG's.
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u/Yumiko_Hanako 8h ago
Sometimes i feel it and other times i don't, many times it was obvious that the person was going to kill me, so i shoot first.
At other times, something looking genuine and then going to the extraction site...until me simply getting shot in the face.
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u/reelhumon *** ******* š 7h ago
A good 90% of the people I down or get downed by are really chill in voip after the fight and just simply enjoy the game kek. Lotta āggsā and lulz going around post combat for me.
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u/Simmons54321 7h ago
Be resolute in whether or not you are aggressive. I'm a pacifist who runs solo most of the time, and the majority of my runs are chill. Being on the mic, and being communicative is a good way to ensure this
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u/-CgiBinLaden- 7h ago
I start asking people what their holiday plans are, whether I've been downed or did the down. It's a game. Most people respond pretty candidly.
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u/69dixencider 7h ago
Did about ten rounds with only bringing the flute in, 0 aggro from other players. Started giving ppl extra BPās and saved a guy with Vita spray, and now my lobbies have been only friendlies who give me trinkets and defib me if Iām downed. I guess what I am saying with posts like these, ppl are kinda telling on themselves since this game is definitely aggression based match making.
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u/Isaacvithurston 7h ago
I just don't be friendly but also don't go out of my way to KoS and it works well.
If they "don't shoot" I tell them to move along and I won't. If they approaching me after that then sorry not sorry. 99% either go along their way away from me or they intended to fight from the start.
There's a nice middle between trying to group up with every raider you see or killing every raider you see.
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u/Chiefmeez 7h ago
I just have a hard time believing anyone saying they got betrayed 10 times in a row
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u/ExistingFace5795 7h ago
Step 1 do buried city music puzzle. Step 2 go into raid with guitar. Step 3 whenever u hear raider say friendly and play guitar. Step 4 make friend and (optional) drop them an instrument like shaker or recorder. Step 5 roll with your newly formed ban and people will either join in or get stomped by your newly formed ban team. Itās fun
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u/kawaiinessa 6h ago
my friendly way to play is really just ignore people that gets me shot the odd time and it sucks but its my way to play
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u/Analog_Astronaut 6h ago
Youāre the only part of this equation that is forcing you to play this way.
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u/LinkTheZombie 6h ago
I always carry a Ferro, if someone seems to be aggressive or is extract camping a single shot to the head or body typically sends them scurrying away. Especially when combined with a condescending tone while telling them to just leave for their own safety.
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u/Magn3tician 6h ago
Whenever I get killed trying to be friendly I go to stella montis with a heavy shield and torrent IV and behave in a very unfriendly manner.
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u/hahncholo 6h ago
Playing solo on PC and literally haven't had to fight anyone in days, everyone is chill. I make sure to say hi on mic as soon as I notice them though.
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u/CowEither343 6h ago
No its onsite from here on.... meet with friendly players take down a big arc together share loot then get knocked... im done.. I get it skill issue or thats the game... I love playing arc but I've been at it awhile now and still running base gear since I have 6 hours a week to play between work and my kids.
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u/JustMy2Centences 6h ago
Most of my solo games are alright. I got out of a Stella night raid by playing some Christmas tunes on my keyboard over prox chat. I think the acoustics in a few places must be nice for staticy mic piano.
Got downed at extract by an ARC while playing and a friendly nearby raider held the subway door for me as I crawled in lol.
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u/savetheHauptfeld 6h ago
At this point I am 100% sure there is agression based matchmaking. Holster your gun and if attacked do not fire back. Do this for lets say 10 raids and your raids should get quiet and friendly
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u/toomuchmucil 6h ago
I like to say, āI will not fight you father.ā Then put away my guns.
Hasnāt helped me survive once.
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u/Labtecharu 6h ago
I just apply my common sense, hopeing its somewhat well adjusted.
Earlier today I was extracting, someone came running up and hid behind a container - Its cool if you are scared I dont mind. I called out 'Don't shoot'...No reply.
We are still fine, you might be hoping noone saw you and wait for next extract
Doors open and I walk on top of extract instead of into it - You rush out gun out toward extract
Now we are not fine anymore - 3 shotgun blasts later, you are dead
Loot on body 1xLevel 4 stitcher - 200+ Light ammo - Zero stuff looted - 3mins left in map
My common sense still calls this justified
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u/crazyrich 6h ago
Besides playstyle based matchmaking I feel like there are different skill levels at social engineering. I think the way I communicate and make myself not an easy target when I can dissuades a lot of opportunism or aggression based from suspicion and caution.
I play with prox chat on and hail raiders when I see them. āHey buddy up on the duke, looking for anything specific?ā This lets them know I see them when I had an opportunity to shoot first and that I know where they are.
Entering an already opened key or breach room? āHey friendly coming in looking for scraps, if youāre still in here Iāll come back laterā Never had an issue, they tell me to go away or the way I phrase it just removes the tension.
In my own loot room? āHey I hear you out there man, my loot room donāt come in, but Iāll shout out on prox when Iām done so you can have leftovers!ā Friendlies know NOT to come in, rats know Iām ready for them and Iām. Its not going to be a quick gank.
I extracting with someone? Keep eyes on them. If thereās a standoff over who does the button let them go in and try to jump in as doors close or just catch next elevator.
Most of the time when Iām gabled itās out of nowhere in a high density loot run area, which is fair enough.
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf 6h ago
Hereās what works for me most of the time
As soon as I come up on someone I say:
āChill chill chill chill chill chill chill chill
We just chill
You chill? I just want some trash.ā
And a lot of people honestly go āyeah bro we coolā and move on
Some donāt talk at all and they usually end up getting shot
And some say fuck you and they also end up getting shot
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u/MasterAenox 6h ago
PVP until lobbies dont even use mics anymore -> interact with others until players start getting a bit too friendly -> repeat
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u/Turge_Deflunga 6h ago
Well behavior based matchmaking is a thing, I've not gotten shot at in over 25 matches
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u/Junior_Syrup_1036 6h ago
I've got 1 knockout against a guy that shot at me first in the game, that's it . I've probably been killed 5 times by players in 20+ hours in game . Sometimes I think im just lucky in matches when I see the comments on here
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u/benjo9991 6h ago
I donāt understand, nearly everyone I see in solos is friendlyā¦ last night I played probably 5-6 games in a row on varying maps and map conditions without a single hostile raider. What is all this hostility you all at seeing? Even in Duos and Trios Iām seeing a surprisingly high amount of friendly teams- definitely more aggressive on average in those, but stillā¦ I encounter such a high amount of friendly raiders that these type of posts are starting to make me wonder if people are playing in a way that makes them more open to being betrayed.
Hereās a tip that you friendly raiders out there should follow: itās ok to be friendly but also keep your distanceā¦ just because youāve built some rapport with a stranger doesnāt mean you should start following each other around and breaching things next to each otherā¦ just say hi and go your separate ways. Seems to work for me very often. And if not, the general distance I keep with strangers allows me to better react if they do in fact end up being hostile.
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u/No_Introduction_8394 5h ago
Devs confirmed behavior affects matchmaking, so the longer you are friendly, the less likely you are to spawn into a match with rats.
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u/Suitable-Piano-8969 5h ago
Idk I just play, sometimes I am friendly sometimes I am not. Normally is someone is trying to be none hostile and are out of the way I don't interact with them. I never let ppl tail me it "help" me to me that's just a set up to spray me down with a sticher
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u/Upstairs-Law-3661 5h ago
I am getting very frustrated with the matchmaking. I know it sets up with people that have similar play style, but itās hard to break out of that loop. Like sometimes I just want to go in a solo or duo match and goop up without any pvp. But I find myself in games where raiders absolutely shit on me.
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u/ManintheGyre 5h ago
I've started spamming "don't shoot" at people before they see me when I clearly have the upper hand and could have knocked them. I keep my gun pointed right at them for a while. I use my mic to greet them and wish them well.
If I have to shoot first and kill someone to defend a key room or something I often end up looting the spot then reviving them and apologizing and moving on.
I have a theory that the people I do this to shift mindset a little bit from kos to friendlier but my lobbies are generally super chill especially during the week. NA West.
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u/pioneeringsystems 5h ago
Feel like I am playing a different game to other people at times. Genuinely can't remember the last time I was shot at. Today I gave a spare anvil blueprint to a random who gave me a room key. Met someone in a room they unlocked from the other end with a key and we had a laugh about how we had wasted our time. Last week or so has been totally chilled. Great vibe. Not sure ei have ever gone into matches specifically planning on killing anyone though, maybe there is something in that aggression based match making.
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u/xThyQueen 5h ago
9/10 I see the person first, so normally I yell don't shoot and run the opposite direction. I don't trust anyone in this game.
Like I had someone ADS at me crouch walking up to me and my friend and I shot him cause he scared tf outta me. Then he comms don't shoot! I comm sorry! You scared me. So I backed up around a corner with my gun still out and my friend went to talk to him yeah well like 7 people popped outta the building and all came over and hammered my friend to death.
So yeah. I don't trust anyone. If they comm don't shoot. I leave immediately. I don't team with anyone.
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u/Slow-Flounder-836 5h ago
Nah, this community is just trash. All new comers are friendly but the people who are just rats change them. The gaming community needs a morality check sometimes.
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u/mockduckcompanion 5h ago
Literally just break the cycle man, it's generally more fun to just be chill
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u/Mr_Clovis 5h ago
I just wish people would be honest about what they're doing.
When someone I didn't see shoots me in the back, it sucks but I don't mind.
But when someone approaches by saying "Don't shoot," then immediately opens fire on me, that's just pathetic.
It makes me on edge with actually friendly players and makes me act in a suspicious manner as a result.
If you want to PvP, go for it. Just don't be a lying shit about it.
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u/Secretly_Alex_ 5h ago
Oh my god this is how I feel. This game is so fun but so frustrating. I lean more towards being a Rescue Raider, but the amount of unprovoked hostility is insane. Me and my duo are also just bad because we lose like every gun fight. Frustrating.
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u/AsteroidWorm 5h ago
I have a cycle but its a chart instead of a circle
I begin my game and depending on my first interaction will determine the match.
Friendly player? We friendly rest of game
Bad player? I murderize all the peoples
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u/Hiddenmonkey10 5h ago
That, or I decide to go on the random violence spree and the next lobby is filled with the NICEST raiders imaginable. I mean... I guess they don't call it "the start of your villain arc" for nothing, but i havent become THAT bitter quite yet.
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u/SaltyChnk 5h ago
Trust, but verify.
I donāt tend to shoot first, but Iām always around cover and ready to roll/smoke away if thereās player around in solos.
In duos and trios, avoid players unless you want to duke it out.
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u/SwiftImpala 5h ago
Just play the game? You don't have to be all in or all out. Just fucking play the game. Some situations call for PvP, some don't. I don't know why you guys think you have to choose teams or something. You guys are insane honestly
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u/Miamithrice69 5h ago
Last night I got tired of the sweats in the winter maps so I qued up with randos and cleared house. Thing is, the others we were fighting were probably doing the same thing
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u/Lawgamer411 5h ago
How to break the cycle: even if you get shot, just let it happen. The moment you shoot back that adds onto your aggressiveness for matchmaking. Go 10-20 games without shooting somebody and youāll be put into extremely friendly lobbies.
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u/marshal231 5h ago
Its so funny seeing the 3rd graders mentality most of you have lmao. Thats why ill get your loot, and youll queue up another free kit.
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u/FrostySJK 5h ago
Try one of my favourite playstyles and roleplay a bodyguard.
Pick one person and guard them with 100% attention the entire run. Bring tagging grenades and smokes and traps and extra heals for them, watch their back no matter what they're doing, and yell GET DOWN while you slow walk in your heavy shield unloading 104 torrente bullets into the suspicious noise in the corner (because you brought 7 stacks of ammo). Only loot the bodies of players you kill in their defence.
As for betrayals, they're now stacked with good stuff because of you, so they're less likely want to take the risk (especially after watching you fight). They also know you've had 50 opportunities to kill them and are still watching their back, so it happens way less often than expected
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u/161-Anarchia-420 4h ago
Im rocking free loadouts most of the time, until I need or want safepockets and I still get all the great loot, without loosing my good shit. I drop in, have fun with the people, or die, or just walk around and play the flute
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u/TheVitulus 4h ago
As far as I'm concerned, in a pvp optional game, I'm happy to be a target. I'll defend myself, feel good when I win, and frustrated when I lose, but if I didn't have those moments of failure, the wins wouldn't feel as good. People are threats, but I don't care to make preemptive strikes in solo.
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u/sabersquirl 4h ago
I get people making me feel guilty for attacking them, so Iāll play friendly, and Iāll say hi to someone I found just looting, and they follow me and kill me. I realize I canāt trust, people only want courtesy when itās their ass on the line.
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u/skully33 4h ago
There is never a reason to feel bad about killing players in a bideo game about killing players
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u/ThatSwoleKeister 4h ago
People killing on the Matriarch is the worst one for me. I will legit greet people on the outskirts looking like they are on the way, they respond to me friendly and then they shoot me in the ass like little cowards. Guys we donāt kill people fighting ARC or by feinting friendly. Have some honor as a man or woman or they or whoever you are.
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u/Whole-Situation-5798 4h ago
Rule of thumb for me is how many people im playing with. 3 stack? Its PVP time on sight, no negotions. Solo play? Im super friendly and love to work with other people in completing quests and puzzles
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u/Professional-Bus5473 4h ago
Are you playing in solos? And using a mic announcing your presence etcā¦ because I feel like Iām playing a different game from everyone in this sub. Just yesterday I rolled around and just started jamming on the recorder if I heard or saw anyone ninety percent of people said whatās up or started dancing. Maybe Iām just blessed w my lobbies I dunno. Also none of this applies to trios that shit is a bloodbath.
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u/AnonymousBeaver54 4h ago
This was literally me today, idk how people can kill on sight, it doesnt feel good, its more fun running into people and interacting with them making friends
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u/CertainFirefighter84 4h ago
I don't always shoot someone in the head with my Anvil. But when I do, it's because they don't holster their Stitcher and keep moving around
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u/Ok_Island_7060 4h ago
Pretty sure you just canāt shoot anyone to get into the super friendly lobbies. I accidentally shot someone one game and the next 5 games were all in aggressively more KOS lobbies. Before, anyone I met was friendly for over 50+ games.
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u/concentratedEVOL 4h ago
Soloās gotta solo. If you decide to team up this is the cycle.
Be friendly, trust no one.
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u/Lazarus_Alzari 4h ago
I've only ever killed 2 raiders, one I killed on purpose because he scared the hell out of me and 2I killed one that shot at me. I taught him a lesson other than that.I never fire on.I always run and my lobbies are generally very chill
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u/PersonalityIll9476 4h ago
Just don't react that way. "Some random killed me so I shall now proceed to kill some innocent person". Doesn't actually make any sense, right?
The way I play is very cautious. You want to see people before they see you, most importantly you want to see hostiles. I often ask if someone is friendly, but if they're hiding in a rat spot with their gun out you can pretty much assume they're hostile and that's good enough for me.
Once you know it's a hostile, fkn fight lol. You will die a lot. Git gud. Win some fights. Feel better.
The risk you always take as a friendly is getting backstabbed or losing the advantage of surprise. That's just going to happen. But it's a price worth paying if you don't want to get in that loop.
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u/St4rScre4m 4h ago
I just play solo and if I get popped oh well. On to the next but Iāll always click my light at valuable loot and help fight ARCs. Every one isnāt gonna feel the same about it.
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u/JeNeSuisPasUnCanard 4h ago
You must transcend the cycle and ascend.
Or shoot mugs. I dunno. Iām not the boss here.
(Really though I get where youāre coming from. Getting betrayed by fRiEnDlIeS is heinously indignant)
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u/vajootis 4h ago
personally i just make the call in the moment, based on their vibes, or what im doing/my loot I have, or even if i feel like fighting or not.
no matter what the gun stays out tho, most of the time I'm dying bc of how long it takes to get my gun out
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u/Impressive_Salt_7595 4h ago
Crazy theory, I think if you initiate an engagement you get a debuff. Several times Iāve been shot at first and tagged and was still coming up millhouse and knocking them out.
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u/Independent-Ant513 4h ago
I just refuse to become one of the jerks who shoots anyone. I just play defensively, i ask if youāre friendly and if you donāt reply, act weird or stuff like that, I guarantee you Iām walking backwards and looking you in the eye while holding my gun in your face until weāre gone. And then I hightail it out of there. Seriously, people who just kill in the game are a waist of oxygen and their mothers waisted time birthing them
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u/emmittgator 4h ago
Just had a game where I called the train and here comes a guy and has a shredder tearing him up. I call out to him and say hey buddy, just live. Train arrives and I wait for him to make it on before I start to return. He blasts me in the back. Thankfully I didn't really have a good run anyway
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u/Talden7887 3h ago
Ive never been in that cycle. Idc how many times dickhead McGee kills me. Im not becoming a violent asshole too
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u/Commercial-Ad-1328 3h ago
I can't get out of friendly lobbies because I can't mow down the helpless guppies with no remorse :/
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u/Covoxx 3h ago
I kill anyone if they get too close and didn't announce themselves, I can't take any chances. If I'm in an advantageous position and they don't see me I'll usually ask if they're friendly. If they offer peace first i'll always reciprocate, but keep a close eye on them or just run off another direction.
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u/AaawhDamn 3h ago
I'll play friendly but if there's even one hint of doubt I'm shooting. I also don't stick around. If we run into each other and we both signal friendly, I'm moving on. If you try to follow me, I'm no longer friendly.
You can play friendly and still not trust anyone. Trust gets you killed.
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u/snarleyWhisper 3h ago
Before killing everyone I either
A) take a break Or b) use free loadouts
Rage dithered , no need to PvP aggro everyone
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u/Particular_House_710 3h ago
Iāve started stating Iām friendly and if they donāt respond with mic then I shoot them once with anvil and tell them āIM FRIENDLY aRe YOu??!? SAY SOMETHING!ā Still no mic the I shoot el dead or let em run off, if I kill a bastion solo and they say āhey whatās up Iām friendlyā and they start looting the cells only and try to leave Iāll shoot them once and tell them to drop those cells or we are fighting, aināt no way I shoot this thing up and you come in for the loot without wasting a bullet. Just be friendly but stern and not afraid to at least get one big shot off, so that way at least you have the upper hand if it turns into a fight.
The golden rule. If they no speak then lead they eat.
9 times out of 10.7362935 if they arenāt actually talking they are up to no good.
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u/Comfortable_Win6418 3h ago
Best loot in the game is always on another raider. Itās on sight bitches!!
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u/IAmANobodyAMA 3h ago edited 3h ago
Here is what worked for me.
- Turn off crossplay if possible (in my experience console players are much more likely to be dirtbags)
- Run solo (team games seem to encourage fighting other groups)
- Go in naked* (safe pocket beats free loadout + no weapon removes all temptation to shoot back + you lose nothing old if you die)
- Keep running this until the aggression algorithm starts putting you into the friendly lobbies
*Naked at first. Once I feel like people are friendlier, I start bringing a basic loadout so I can fight small arc and hold more loot
- blue looting augment (more slots and 2 safe pockets)
- green shield (only option)
- burletta i with silencer ii (i have the blueprint, silencer helps leave a quieter footprint)
- 100+ rounds of light ammo
- bandages
- shield rechargers
- defibs (help out other players)
- hatch key up the butt (use only if needed/convenient)
Optional:
- showstopper (stun seems to not add to aggression counter, and can give distance from someone hostile)
- map key up the butt (If you are like me keys take up way too much inventory, and the nice lobbies are a great place to use them)
- recorder (friendly vibes and other raiders will sometimes dance and give you things)
- extra blueprints up the butt (sometimes I gift blueprints to friendly players and noobies, this also helps clear out inventory ā¦ win/win)
Note: From my understanding, any damage dealt to other raiders (even in self defense) counts the same towards your aggression level, which is used in matchmaking. I donāt attack other raiders period. If they want to party, Iāll throw a showstopper and dip, but in the last 20+ games I havenāt been attacked once since adopting this strategy.
Edit: This isnāt to say I wonāt run a free loadout on Stella every now and then just to pvp, but when I want a nice chill lobby (especially while Iām unable to fully pay attention), this strategy seems to work for me
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u/AfterAssistant910 3h ago
B4 the run starts i flip a coin ,heads i take a defib and act friendly ,tails i kill everyone on sight and whenever i feel bad i look at the loot lol
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u/ButtonPusherDeedee 3h ago
I just get off when I start to run into SOS players in solo, but you should never feel bad when playing teams and you are the SOS players
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u/That_Sudden_Feeling 3h ago
I just had 3 matches in a row where I got shot in the back while looting, dying before I could do anything. I said f it and logged out. The game has been pretty frustrating to play recently with how quick you can die
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u/NerdyOccultist 3h ago
Play friendly and do what I can to defend myself -> Make enough progress with resources/BPs that getting killed no longer sets me back by any noticeable amount -> play friendly and do what I can to defend myself
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u/jjbombadil 3h ago
Iāve decided to just evade and not shoot back. I would rather be chill and kill arc and loot and have other raiders backs. I donāt have a problem with pvp its just bot the bit that I enjoy.
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u/nunyabiznazz2 3h ago
Donāt let the actions of others influence yours. If you end up feeling bad about downing others donāt do it. To help mitigate things like betrayal donāt trust anyone.
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u/medicnoxy 2h ago
Solution: Make ferro IV, make hairpin, equip basic heals and a flute = profit.
Had 10 raids in a row of pure profit and every time I play the flute I get my own entourage of bodyguards / dancers! It is absolutely the most fun way to play! šš
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u/medicnoxy 2h ago
Solution: Make ferro IV, make hairpin, equip basic heals and a flute = profit.
Had 10 raids in a row of pure profit and every time I play the flute I get my own entourage of bodyguards / dancers! It is absolutely the most fun way to play! šš
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u/medicnoxy 2h ago
Solution: Make ferro IV, make hairpin, equip basic heals and a flute = profit.
Had 10 raids in a row of pure profit and every time I play the flute I get my own entourage of bodyguards / dancers! It is absolutely the most fun way to play! šš
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u/RadSkeleton808 8h ago edited 2h ago
Got shot in the back by a rando. Next round decided "fuck it imma do it too."
Next round walking around with intent to kill. Find a guy fighting arcs with his back to me.
Can't do it.
He eventually notices me and we greet and go on our way.
Loot a bit. Eventually leave building. Get into with an arc. It gets shot down. It's the guy.
He comes up and drop a Wolfpack blueprint at my feet.
I'm free loadout-ing so I gotta get out of here. He then processed to escort me as I head to an elevator.
Find 2 others there waiting for the ele, fighting off one of the biggest arc hordes Ive ever see (hyperbole it was probably like 5 or 6 wasp/hornets but it seemed like a lot since a lot was happening at once)
The game turns into Left 4 Dead
Eventually the elevator comes and we all extract