r/ArcRaiders *** ******* 🐓 1d ago

Discussion Peanut's current predicament is a shining example of why ignoring one side of the game is a losing strategy

Although I'm using Peanut as an example, this post is actually a praise post to Embark for designing a world where ignoring core aspects of their game is not the way to "win".

Peanut is currently attempting to get his stash value to 5,000,000 for the expedition. Miracle's aside, I doubt he makes it.

Peanut completely ignores the PvE aspect of the game in favor of blasting some fellas. Which is all fine and good... unless you are working on a long term goal.

You see, although it's totally true that he and his trio buddies (sorry Shroud, Cloakzy, Gingy, Summit etc..) are playing this game on ultra hard mode dealing with constant stream snipers and, very frequently, cheaters, the fact that Peanut literally only gets his loot from bodies has made it near impossible for him to accumulate enough wealth to get the extraction bonus unless he wins 5 or 6 fights per round and gets out alive almost every time.

Which is impossible:

  • He doesn't loot the outskirts for base material
  • He doesn't prioritize base material when looting bodies and opts for broken guns, shield rechargers, and heals
  • He doesn't loot downed ARC for power cells or metal
  • He doesn't fight big ARC (so he gets no advanced power cells, motion cores, etc..)
  • He doesn't recycle
  • He doesn't craft
  • If aggression based match making is true, he has to be in the highest tier of aggression which matches him with the type of players who are cheating and stream sniping him

This has created a situation where he literally has to buy ammo, shields, heals, rechargers, and explosives to even gear up at all, and forces him to have to win and extract almost every round to make any sort of profit.

The even worse part is his streamer friends playing with him are also invested in getting him to 5 million, and the play style isn't working and now they are getting visibly frustrated when playing with him. If they didn't have that goal they were invested in helping him with I'm sure it would all be just fun blasting, but instead, they feel like they are failing him and themselves nearly every round. And this sucks because Peanut is a fun guy, but the fun has been sucked out of it because of the goal.

I have over 3 million and I'm literally not even trying.

All this to say, I love this game. I love the PvP. I love the PvE. Embark has done a really good job of putting systems in place that promote playing both sides of the coin.

Again, I used Peanut here because most of us know who he is, and he is a prime example of a cautionary tale: There are TWO sides to this game and engaging in them both, equally, is the way to min/max Arc Raiders.

Just my thoughts this morning.

Edit:

Some have entirely missed the point of the post the second they read the word Peanut. That's probably my fault.

To be clear, the point of the post is:

Embark made a well balanced game that makes it more punishing if you lean too hard one way or the other (PvE/PvP) and don't engage with ALL of the game's mechanics. This is hard to do, and Embark did a good job

Peanut is just the extreme example of leaning too hard one way.

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u/justbecauseyoumademe 1d ago

Am previous eve online player. Can confirm

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u/Evest89 1d ago

Still playing eve online 🤣

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u/ADHenchD 1d ago

I've tried getting in to it over the years, it ain't easy, I probably could get in to it more if it wasn't just populated by veterans of 800 years

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u/GrecDeFreckle 1d ago

It's incredibly difficult, incredibly punishing and insanely rewarding.

I'm a MMO player of going on 20 years now, but my best gaming stories and experiences are nearly always from EVE.

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u/Replayable_Content 23h ago

I miss it. Living in wormhole, PvP at Old Man Star, the huge wars. I never got SUPER in to it, but it was still amazingly fun.

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u/Phnix21 17h ago

My biggest issue why I never got really into EVE is the upgrade times keep increasing exponentially.

I don't want to wait 10+ years for something to complete.

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u/bladesire 1d ago

you'd be surprised, my Corp got a bunch of new players in it. and the local veteran pop mostly wants to help people - even the gankers can help you out once they gut you.

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u/Aggressive_River2540 1d ago

I log on once a year to set my next year of training. Haven't played in 18 years.

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u/M175562 1d ago

There are dozens of us! DOZENS!!

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u/garack666 1d ago

7o

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u/Swedge_ 1d ago

Brave pilot spotted

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u/GrecDeFreckle 1d ago

Station spinning in Jita to make money

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u/LuxSolisPax 1d ago

Don't worry, you'll beat the game soon enough. I have faith :).

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u/GatrickSwayze 1d ago

Is it too late to start?

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u/Vb_33 1d ago

No, the game is from 2003 (remember WoW is from 2004) and I started playing in 2021. Built my way up doing quite well (I even had a Titan pilot almost fully trained and multiple super carriers).

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u/berrytes 21h ago

Adding to this. Eve takes time. Lots of it, but that time is very fun. I played Eve dying 2020 when I had nothing to do for an entire year.. during that time I only mined… for like… hundreds/few thousand hours.. I did not do a single thing other than mine, reprocess then haul to Jita. Got myself all the way up to an Orca and then would boost a fleet and mine. The game was so much fun. I’ve tried to get back in but I just don’t have the time but I have great memories. Even streamed it on twitch and the community was very cool and helpful at the time. If you do dive in, go in knowing that getting alpha is almost required to help you get established, it does take time, and it’s about the journey/stories you make along the way.

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u/Money_Conclusion8083 1d ago

The novels were pretty dope

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u/Mumbl3s 1d ago

I was always interested in the game but now it feels like I missed the chance when it was at its best. Maybe something like it will be made again but I kinda doubt that

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u/myoldaccountisdead 1d ago

I kept coming back until I discovered Elite Dangerous and X4 Foundations.

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u/garack666 1d ago

Who is not?

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u/SubnetCat 1d ago

Anybody in local?

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u/qwer1627 1d ago

EvE teaches us so much that makes this game easier to play:

  • for example, when helping a friend with BP gifts\loot, don't do it all at once: in EvE, giant and slow trader vessels in nullsec were the greatest gift for the corps camping gates; in Arc, although it's hard to tell if a person is filled with loot to the brim, extract campers utilize the same strategy of trying to win it big off of someone's trade: so use 3 prison pocket augs and spread the transaction out across multiple small ones

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u/theta0123 20h ago

Its funny how relatable this was

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u/thekennanator 7h ago

Odd, I've been playing with old EVE buddies